I'm new & could use a lot of help

[Jeanna]

have just really started in trying to trace my family tree--my aunt and i went to halifax county record department to hit a dead end from the beginning. we were unabe to locate any documentation of my grandmother, Fannie Turner Jones. Her mother was Emma Poythress and her father, Nathaniel Weldon Turner. With both of these last names, Turner and Poythress, bring me back to the portugese nationality that seems to include saponi, nottaway indians. I keep running across the Christianna fort in trying to research. A cousin of my grandmothers remembers the bethany school in gaston in northampton county NC, however did not attend it. The surnames Poythress,Bass,Newsome,Turner,Scott are the most popular and through talking with relatives they remember my grandmother to be cousins with the bass and scotts. My grandmother Fannie Turner Jones married my grandfather Samuel Thomas Jones March 18 around 1936. His mother was a Clary from Brunswick co. VA. He had very distinct facial features, the hawk style nose, high cheek bones, and dark olive complexion just as my father inherited. A lot of people that come across him beleive him to be mixed (B&W), or indian. His birth certificate in Halifax county had his race listed as colorec then marked through to white as they checked sibling race and his ister was marked as white, so his birh certificate was then changed and notated wit this information. Any help on this research would be greatly appreciated and any tips welcome--Thanks to everyone in advance Jeanna

[Bill Childs]

Welcome to the forum, Jeanna,
I'll see if I can help but I need more information on Samuel Jones to find him.
What is Samuel Jones's date of birth on his birth certificate?
Were Fannie Turner and Samuel Jones married in Halifax Co NC?
Do you know the names of Samuel Jones's siblings?

According to the 1920 Halifax Co., NC census of Weldon Twp, (p.10A), Nathaniel and Emma D. Turner lived in the house of Maritius (?) Turner, b.abt.1857 NC and Maritius/Martins's wife Virginia _?_, b.abt.1861 NC, probably Nathaniel's parents. Nat was 24, b.in NC and Emma D., "wife", was 17, b.NC. All were shown as "MU".
(Maritius? Turner's first name is indexed as "Martins" but that's not the name shown on the census which is barely ledgible so didn't find them using those names in 1910. Still looking and will let you know what I find.

The 1930 Halifax Co NC, Weldon Twp census shows Nat Turner as 35 y/o, marr'd at 20 y/o; and Emma, "wife", 25 y/o, marr'd at 16 and they have two dau's; FANNIE, 9, and Margie, 5, all shown as "White".

In both 1920 & 1930, there are "PORTIS" relatives living with the Turners.
Bill

[Linda]

Welcome, Jeanna, do you know Crystal Rose? She is most certainly a cousin of yours. She's posted a lot on here, but not lately. You might want to use the search feature (upper right hand corner ) and search on the name Crystal. I hope I can call her before this weekend. There's a pow wow at Occoneechee STate Park in Clarksville, VA, I'm hoping to see her at.

[Jeanna]

Bill--you have helped out so much already--My Grandmother was Fannie and her sister,Margie. We were unable to locate proof of Fannies existance anywhere..we were beginning to beleive she was born in another county. The ages match up perfectly--she was born May 8,1921. As far as Samuel Jones, I beleive he may have been born in Brunswick co. His birthday is December 24, i'm not sure of which year, but i know he was older than Fannie, so he was born before 1921. I can get thia info from my aunt. I am interested in the Jones side of my family but at this point i'm really more interested in the Turner side. You mentioned relatives with the last name of Portis--I have never heard this name in referesence to being related but find it interesting--something to definately check into

[Jeanna]

Linda--I have ran across the name Crystal Rose. Have read a few of her postings. I was wondering if she was some how related due tot he information she was submitting--i would love to talk with her and i'll try to locate her.. thank you Linda---Jeanna

[Jeanna]

Bill---in previous posting, you mentioned there were family members with the last name Portis. Now after thinking about this for a little while--just realized great granmothers maiden name was Poythress..Emma Poythress Turner--think this may be the same just misspelled???

[Forest]

That name is spelled a variety of ways, including Poythress, Portris, Portras, Poythris, etc. in the old Northampton records

[Bill Childs]

Jeanna & Forest Hazel,
Yes, I was considering the same scenario and per Forest Hazel it was spelled several different ways in at least one other county so it's possible. I'm checking it out and will let you know.
Bill

[Linda]

Why don't you come to the Occoneechee State Park pow wow this weekend, Jeanna? My family will be there. My family will be singing some as "Red Earth Family Drum." It's hard to miss. It's the drum with a lot of young boys in it.

It's across the bridge from Clarksville, on Hwy 58. Starts at noon.

[Jeanna]

Linda-- Wish I could make it--unfortunately i'm working this weekend--every weekend---in order to get a weekend off i have to give 3 weeks!!! notice---thanks for the invite!!:p :(

[rosebudsaponi]

Jeanne,

The Emma that was listed in the census was not a Poythress but a Turner by birth as well. She was the daughter of Lundy Jack and Annie Turner. You may want to check Wilson County records as well. That part of the family left Gaston for a short time and went to Black Creek and Stauntonsburg.

We are definitely cousins and welcome to the Saponitown Forum. We have alot of loose ends to finish tying up but otherwise, research is going very well. Please contact me and we'll start tying in your line with the settlement. :)

Again, welcome and look forward to hearing from you.

Crystal Rose Morgan

[rosebudsaponi]

Forrest,

Hey sunshine...I need to talk with you regarding a few old records. Can you e-mail me personally?

Thanks
Crystal

[Jeanna]

after speaking with my aunt tonight--I confirmed what you stated- Emma was a Turner before marrying a Turner. Found out Emma's father Lundy Turner died at the age of 70 and is buried in Black Creek Cemetary in Kenly. Nat's parents were Weldon Nat Turner and Jenny Jarrell. I beleive I saw Matthews birth certificate in Halifax Co. and his race listed as portuguese. Do you have anything to confirm or disprove this. As far as my grandfather (Sam) his parents were Ella Clary and Benjamin Jones of Brunswick. Also, my husband's paternal grandmother was Mary Magdaline Turner of Greensville Co. trying to find out if these two sets of Turners are related or are they the same. Mary was married to Cola Dunlow from Greensville co, also-----Crystal, how do you tie into the Turners??

[Dreaminghawk]

Jeanne says>>> Linda-- Wish I could make it--unfortunately i'm working this weekend--

Becky has to work saturday...... and I'll be putting struts on her van....... wish we could make it..... need to hear the drum.

[Jeanna]

Crystal--as you confirmed before--Annie was a Turner also before marrying a Turner--what other info do you have on Annie's maiden Turner side??

[rosebudsaponi]

Jeanne,

We're going to have to start working on this to figure out exactly how you fit.

My lineage is:

Allen Turner/Eliza June Scott
(Daughter) Amanda Turner/Lovel Poythress
(Son) Horace Poythress/Laura Turner (d. of Allen Jr. and Etterid Turner) Allen Jr is the brother of above Amanda.
(Daughter) Mamie Poythress/Anthony Peters{on}
(Daughter) Ola Peters{on}/Charles Walker (My grandparents)

I tie into the Turners every which way I turn. This is what I have on the Turner line you spoke of,

Lundy Jack had Emma D., Mattie, Marshall (which we called Cat),
Rufus and Peter. Cat married my grgrandmother's sister Laura Poythress. My mother knew them very well.

Lundy's parents were William David and Adelaid Poythress Turner.
They were married in Northampton County 2-2-1875.
Their children were:
Sid G. Turner born 5-9-1876
Jarrett Turner born abt 1877
Eunice Bell Turner born born 2-29-1884 (married Robert Poythress son of Richard and Ada Turner Poythress)
Charlie Turner born ? married Gracie Turner, 2nd Phelia Poythress (daughter of James and Mary Peters Poythress)
Julianna Turner born ? married George Turner (They had a son names George Jr. They lived in Saratoga, Wilson County. My mother used to go to the prayer meetings at their house).
Lundy Jack Turner born ? married Annie.

Adelaid Poythress is the daughter of Sterling and Elizabeth Turner Poythress. Elizabeth is the daughter of Allen Turner and Eliza June Scott. Sterling is the son of James and Sarah Crowder Poythress.

I have more info on this line and their branches if you would like.
Just let me know. :) Once this group made their way down to Wilson, they were able to pass as white and so documented. In Northampton and Halifax, they were FPC, Mulatto, Colored, Black and then Portuguese. I have the legislative papers regarding the race change to Portuguese. I'm in touch with a few cousins in the settlement and we're hoping to have a large family reunion sometime around August.

You will find we didn't marry to far away from each other. So, we're our own grandma. LOL

Family for the most part are still refusing to talk. Too many hard memories for them.

Regarding the Brunswick/Greensville County VA connections. That's what I am working on now. We have a group of Turners that are in Greensville but the time frame I am working is mid 1700's. The settlement was on the border. Half in VA, half in NC. The Turners in VA were known as the Gypsy Turners.

Crystal

[Bill Childs]

Jeanna & Crystal,
Lundy Turner was born abt. 1875, per 1900 Northhampton Co NC census, ED67 Gaston Twp, p.16A.
Lundy Turner, Farmer, Jun 1875, 25, m'd 5 yrs; NC, NC, NC.
Annie; wife; b.June 1877, m'd 5 yrs; NC, NC, NC.
Rufus L., son, b.Feb 1897, 3, NC.
Marshall, son, b.Mar 1898, 2, NC.

In 1910 Northhampton Co, Lundy's family is:
Lundy, farmer, 34, m'd 15 yrs, b.NC
Annie, wife, 30, m'd 15 yrs, had 6 children, 4 living; b.NC.
Rufus, son, 12, NC.
EMMA D., dau, 7, NC****
Marshall, son, 3, NC.
Lucy (?), dau, 11 (?) months, NC

Speculation: The Marshall b.1898 may have died and a son b. 1907 was also then named Marshall.

[rosebudsaponi]

I figured something out today also with the help of my mother's memory. Thank GOD she has one like an elephant.

Lundy Jack was called L.T. as a nickname. Miss Annie was his wife. We've established that. BUT, Miss Annie is a Turner by birth as well. She is the sister of Lillie Turner that married our infamous Couch Scott that appears on the 1910 census and on Forrest's hogbuster page. We have found a gent in Wilson that can identify almost everyone in the Scott family picture. He knew Mrs Scott (Grandma Lillie). Miss Annie gave my mother her first taste of Onion Soup and taught her how to make it when she was very young. They lived just outside of Kenly, Wilson County by 1940.

Bill,
Can you see if you can find the parents listed on some earlier census for the following children:

Annie Turner
Elizabeth Turner
"Bud" Turner
James Turner
Lillie Turner
Lucy Turner

These are all siblings and I know who most married but we can't find the parents. I believe it will be a James J. and Mary Turner but I don't know you they are. Thanks.

[Bill Childs]

Crystal,
James J., wife Mary, children named James W. and Lucy found in the same Northhampton Co family and I only found one James Turner there.
"Zeteriah" Turner, the Aunt of James W. Turner, son of James J. & Mary, would probably be the sister-in-law of James J. Turner, your proposed father of Lillie and Annie.

1910 Northhampton Co NC census, ED75 Gaston Twp, 16 May, p.10B:
at 120, 121
TURNER, Zeteriah; Own Income; f, PT, 60, W'd, NC, NC, NC.
POYTHRESS, Bessie; G.Dau; f, PT, 5, NC, NC, NC.
TURNER, James W.; Nephew, m, PT, 23, NC, NC, NC, Farmer.
(son of James T. & Mary Turner in 1900)

Next Door, at 121, 122
TURNER, James J., Farmer; m, PT. 59, m-1, 37 yrs, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Mary; wife, f, PT, 55, m-1, 37 yrs, 10/9; NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Charlie W.; son, m, PT, 19, NC.
(ditto), Jessie J.; son, m, PT, 17, NC.
(Mary had 10 children and 9 were still living - only 5 are accounted for on the 1900 census.)

p.10A, at 112, 113:
SCOTT, Couch; farmer, m, PT, 35, m-1, 16 yrs, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Lillie H.(?); wife, f, PT, 28, m-1, 16 yrs, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Jim (?) K.(?); son, 7, NC.
(ditto), Sim (?); son, 4, NC.
(ditto), Addam; son, 2, NC.
(ditto), Eva; dau, 1 + 6 months, NC.

(Lundy & Annie Turner are 2 doors away at 110, 111.)

Lillie, b.abt1882, born after the 1880 census and married before the 1900 census, can't be connected except by inference.

1900 (same census Co.), ED67 Gaston East Pct, p.17A
(Lundy and Annie Turner are at 278, 287, neither of whom were found in 1880 NC or Va - but I'll look again.)

at 304, 313
TURNER, James; farmer; Apr 1851, 49, m-27 yrs, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Mary; wife; Jan 1853, 47, m-27, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Eava; dau; Mar 1884, 16, NC. ("Eva")
(ditto), James W.; son, Dec 1887, 12, NC.****
(ditto), Lucy O.(?); dau, Jan 1890, 10, NC.****
(ditto), Charlie W.; son, Apr 1892, 8, NC.
(ditto), Jessie J.; son, May 1893, 6, NC.

at 305, 314:
TURNER, Albert; farmer; Jan 1844, 56, m-35, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Eddie R.; wife, Mar 1856, 44, m-35, 1/1, NC, NC, NC.

at 306, 315:
BASS, Norman; farmer; Apr 1864, 36, m-18, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Bettie; wife; Aug 1865, 34, m-18, 6/6, NC, NC, NC.
(6 children listed)

at 307, 316:
TURNER, Esrion (Erron?); farmer; Jul 1874, 25, m-5, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Hellen; wife; Jan 1876, 24, m-5, NC, NC, NC.
(ditto), Burnice; dau; Apr 1899, 1, NC.
(ditto), Infant; dau; Mar 1900, 2/12, NC.
(added on 1910 census:
Harvey, son, 9, NC.
-illedgible-, dau, 7, NC.
-illedgible-, son, 3, NC.
Carrie, dau, 1, NC.

at 308, 317:
TURNER, Eliga ("Elijah"); farmer, Mar 1876, 24, m-0, NC,NC,NC.
(ditto), Dollie (Sallie?); wife, Feb 1880, 20, m-0, NC,NC,NC.
(added on 1910 census:
Blanch, dau, 10, NC.
Clarence, son, 8, NC.
Plumniss, dau, 6, NC.
Marvin, son, 2, NC.

I didn't find any of these people except in these 2 census years, including up in 1880 Greensville Co., Va.- Hope you can think of where they may have come from.
I paged thru the 1900 Northhampton Co, Gaston East Pct, census and didn't find "Zeteriah" there. Looked around for her "all states", hoping she would be nearby James and Mary Turner but couldn't find her under any spelling I could think of, nor by listing all Turners in 1900 N.Carolina - I hate it when they hide like this ! :)
James & Mary Turner weren't found in 1880 NC or Va either.
Got any ideas?
Bill

[rosebudsaponi]

Zeteriah is our infamous Etteriah. She is the wife of Albert J. Turner. Her parents were Benjamin and Nelly Turner. Benjamin's mother is the elusive Winnifred Turner. Albert is the son of Allen Turner and Eliza June Scott.

Etteriah is the mother of Laura Turner that married Horace Poythress. Grandma Laura passed away by 1910 and Bessie went to live with her grandmother. She married Mathew Hales.

Thank you for that but I don't know where else to look other than maybe Warren? I dunno.

Crystal

[Bill Childs]

Jeanna,
Samuel Jones's Parents:
1930 Brunswick Co., Va census, ED8 Red Oak Mag.Dist.
10 April; p.8A (stamped as p.165A), at 137, 139:

JONES, Soloman; farmer, 47, m'd @ 20, Va, Va, Va.
" , Jessie S.; wife, 38, m'd @ 16. Va, Va, Va.
" , SAMUEL; son, 19, Va.****
" , Rebecca M.; dau, 16, Va.
" , William E.; son, 14, Va.
" , George M.; son, 12, Va.
" , Fredrick; son, 10, Va.
" , Norman T.; son, 8, Va. (twin)
" , Thomas T.; son, 8, Va. (twin)
" , Soloman Jr.; son, 6, Va.
" , Kathaleen; dau, 1 + 7 months.
" , Nannie L.; Niece, 15, Va (dau of Soloman's brother Edwin)
" , ELLA; Mother, 80, widowed, Va.

While all these were listed as "B", Soloman's sister Lucy and her children were listed "MU".

Soloman/Kiah's siblings listed as Ella's children in 1900:
Edwin, son, b.May 1884.
Mattie, dau, b.Mar 1887.
Irena, dau, b.Apr 1891.
William, son, b.Jan 1892 (?)
Florence G., dau, b.Apr 1892 (?)
Lucy, dau, b.Feb 1893.
Susan M., dau, Feb 1894 ("Sulla")
Ella B.; dau, b.May 1895. (twin)
Emmet D.; son, b.May 1895.

On the 1900 and 1920 census, Soloman is listed as "Kiah".
On 1900 census, Kiah was b.Feb 1880.
On 1900 census, Ella Jones, b.May 1850, is already widowed.

The only Ella Jones of the right age on the 1880 census is the wife of Soloman Jones, b.abt.1815 Va., but Kiah/Soloman, b.1880 is not listed with them so I'm unable to say with absolute certainty that these are Kiah's parents. (Sturgeon Dist., p.232B, at 58, 58.)
This Ella on the 1870 census, was 19 yrs old, m'd to Soloman, 45, (b.abt.1825 - but these are the same Soloman & Ella) and have Jones children Isabella, 10, & Harry, 6, living with them who may be Ella's siblings (?) or Soloman's children by a previous wife and there is an Elizabeth Walker, 2, and William Walker, 4, also living with them in Totaro District, Brunswick Co., p.123A, at 239, 266.
If you need anything else, let me know.
Bill

[Linda]

I knew I'd heard the name Clary sometime this week. There were some sisters at the Occoneechee State Park pow wow who have this name, and a number of other VERY intriguing surnames. They live in La Crosse, VA. I'm hoping they'll be posting here soon.

[Jeanna]

Bill-
According to my father (Thomas "Tommy" Jones) my grandfather , Samuel Thomas Jones' parents were Benjamin Jones and Ella Clary Jones from Gasburg VA-Brunswick co. Sam's brothers were Willie J., Emmett, Albert, and sisters were Cody (female) and Minnie. I need further info on Benjamin and Ella from Brunswick CO. also I do know that Sams birthday is either Dec 24 or 25 ,1909 and he died approx. Dec 12 or 21 1972 in Roanoke Rapids,NC

[Bill Childs]

Jeanna,
As you know, Gasburg is a small town near the NC border. Census records are annotated by Precincts and/or Townships. None of the census records break-out Gasburg specifically, it is included in a larger precinct or township. I don't know what precinct/township it would have been in.

Ages shown on census records can be "off" by as much as 2yrs and sometimes even more.
Census index lists may not be complete but having checked census index lists for every county within 50 miles of Gasburg, both in Va and NC, there is no Benjamin Jones with a wife Ella and no Benjamin with children named Willie, Emmett, Albert, Cody or Minnie.
The only family having an Ella, William, Emmett AND a Samuel, is the one I listed for Red Oak Twp in Brunswick Co., Va. Cody and Minnie could have been nicknames. This Samuel is the only one in the area who might have been born around 1909, plus or minus 2 yrs. (There is no Thomas within any reasonable margin of age error, either.)
In this case, Ella Jones is the grandmother, not mother of Samuel but this Samuel does have brothers named William and Emmett.
If this is not them, then they have been left off of several consecutive censuses.
With all due respect, you might have to do some digging in the Brunswick county courthouse to verify some of the info you have.
Bill

[Linda]

Jeanna asked me to post these pictures. I'll leave it to her to explain who they are.

http://www.saponitown.com/images/jean-dunlow-fannie-tommy-jones.jpg

[Jeanna]

The pic is of my grandmother Fannie Turner Jones-daughter of Nat and Emma Turner and granddaughter of Lundy "LT" and Annie Turner. She is in pic with her son (My Dad) Tommy Jones

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

"I knew I'd heard the name Clary sometime this week. There were some sisters at the Occoneechee State Park pow wow who have this name, and a number of other VERY intriguing surnames. They live in La Crosse, VA. I'm hoping they'll be posting here soon."

Linda, wonder if Clary could be acossiated with Clardy?

WILLIAM COLLINS, born 1770, died 1837, married 1791 MARY CLARDY, daughter of JOHN CLARDY and ELIZABETH BULLINGTON. William and Mary moved across the State line from Mecklenburg County, Virginia, to Granville County, North Carolina, about the time he married. It is believed and assumed by early family members ca. 1920's that he was the son of William Collins of Spotsylvania County who came to Halifax sometime in the early history of that county. William had five brothers and sisters: (from Richard A. Edwards)

Brenda

[Felicia]

MY FATHER SAID THAT HIS GRANDFATHER CHANGED HIS NAME FROM CLAY TO CLARY, AND THEY WERE IN WARREN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA (JUST ACROSS BORDER BETWEEN VIRGINIA AND NORTH CAROLINA), THIS COULD GIVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION. I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE YET. DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION IN WARREN COUNTY. I KNOW BILL IS GREAT FOR THIS. (HI BILL-IT'S OLE "WHAT'S HER NAME"):D
MY DAD'S FAMILY HAS NAMES SUCH AS: VALENTINE, CLARY(CLAY), AND CYPRESS. HE SAID THAT BEFORE THEY LIVED IN NORTH CAROLINA, THAT THEY HAD MOVED FROM NEW YORK STATE (UP BY THE MOHAWK INDIANS). I DON'T KNOW WHAT TOWN.:confused:
MY GREAT GRANDFATHER'S NAME WAS "ANTILLICUS VALENTINE", HOWEVER PEOPLE CALLED HIM "BROCK". HE WAS MARRIED TO "MAHAILIA" AND MY OTHER GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS NAMED "PETER JAMES CLARY (CLAY) HE SAID THAT HE WAS BLACKFOOT AND HE WAS MARRIED TO "PANTHEA CYPRESS". MY GREAT GRANDFATHERS KNEW WHAT NATIVE PLANTS TO USE AND I BELIEVE SPOKE SOME INDIAN TOO. I'LL CONFIRM WITH MY DAD AGAIN ABOUT LANGUAGE. I DO KNOW THAT HE SAID THAT THEY COULD NOT READ OR WRITE ANYTHING. THAT'S SO VERY SAD! I DO REMEMBER BROCK VALENTINE, HE WAS SHORT, DARK SKIN , HE DIED WHEN I WAS SMALL SO FORGIVE MY SHORT DESCRIPTION, I'LL CHECK WITH MY DAD. PERHAPS A LINK IS SOMEWHERE IN OUR FORUM. I'LL BE CHECKING BACK IN-BETWEEN SCHOOL WORK.
TAKE CARE EVERYONE, I KNOW THAT THE SPIRITS ARE WITH US AND VERY ANXIOUS FOR OUR KNOWLEDGE AND CONTINUED GROWTH AND AWARENESS!

[Linda]

Valentine is such a typical name for Mecklenburg and Brunswick counties. Wouldn't it be interesting to trace your Clary/Clays and Valentines to NY and then back down here again? I wonder what we'll find if we snoop around those census records from the early 1800's in Cayuga and Oneida? or what it Onandaga? counties, with all the names that are such a glaring transplant of the set of names going on down here. (This set of names just "happens" to appear in these New York counties within a generation of the Saponi "disappearing" from history in exactly the same location. The Tutelo went on to Six Nations in Canada, but "nobody knows" what became of the Saponi. Yeah right. Vance, what are the statistical probabilities that a set of several dozen names would randomly occur in two widely separated locations, particularly when there's historical references documenting that the first set of names moved to the location of the second?)

[Bill Childs]

The statistical probability would be pretty slim.
Sorry I'm so buried but it IS one of the things I'm doing in my spare time :)
Bill

[Bill Childs]

Felicia,
I think this is him.

1900 Warren Co., NC census; ED 97 Roanoke Twp; pg.101A; 21 June:
CLARY,
....Piter; farmer; B, m, Sept. 1853, 46, m-13; Va, Va, Va.
....Martha; wife; B, f, Oct 1870, 29; m-13, 7/7; Va, Va, Va.
....Cora; dau, Aug 1873, 26, Va, Va, Va.
....Mamie; dau; Jan 1877, 23, Va, Va, Va.
....Annie; dau; Oct 1879, 20, Va, Va, Va.
....Parmie (?); dau; Nov 1884, 15, Va, Va, Va.
....Nellie; dau; Dec 1887, 12, NC, Va, Va.
....Virginia; dau; Mar 1889, 11, NC, Va, Va.
....Ina; dau; Jan 1892, 8, NC, Va, Va.
....Maria; dau; Jan 1893, 7, NC, Va, Va.
....Alice; dau; Oct 1894, 5, NC, Va, Va.
....Wilbert; son; Nov 1895, 4, NC, Va, Va.
....Emma; dau; Dec 1899, 5 months, NC, Va, Va.
Living with them as a "Boarder" is:
MARTIN, William; Nov 1879, 20; NC, Va, Va.

Martha is Peter ("Piter") 's 2nd wife - note ages of oldest children.
They have been married for 13 yrs ("m-13") and Martha has had 7 children with all 7 still living (those begining with Nellie and younger). The month and year listed for each are of course the month and year of birth.

In 1880, this Peter Clary is in Brunswick Co., Va, note that children correspond to the oldest children of the 1900 Warren Co., NC Peter Clary. I'll include the neighbor on each side of him.

1880 Brunswick Co., Va census; ED 30 Meherrin Twp; pg. 275A, 18 June: (all "B" listed, all b.Va as well as both parents of each).
BRADLY,
....Harry; 38 farmer.
....Eliza; 40, wife.
....George; 9, son.
....Harry; 8, son.
....Alice; 6, dau.
CLARY, Edie; 65, Mother.
....John; 15, Stepson.

CLARY,
....Peter; 26, farmer.****
....Alice; 26, wife.
....Cora; 7, dau.
....Edward; 5, son.
....Mamie; 3, dau.
....Ann E.; 1, dau.

CLARY,
....William; 21, farmer.
....Edie; 19, wife.
....Henry; 1 month; son (b."May").
.................................................. .....
I haven't found him earlier in Va or NY, but I'll take another look.
.................................................. .....
I'll post the Antillicus "Brock" Valentine line (related to the CHAVOUS/CHAVIS, STEWART, McLIN & SOWARD/SEWARDs) as a separate posting (to keep all this focused). Look for it, probably tomorrow in this section.
Ol'what'shisname.

[Felicia]

HEY OLEWHAT'SHERNAME IS BACK!!!
VIRUSES ARE MEAN SO, I HAD TO TOTALLY CLEAN MY MACHINE :D

AN UPDATE ON THE NAME CLAY...

SHOULD BE SPELLED AS.....CLAI....

DOES THIS HELP OR CHANGE THINGS, BILL???

GOD BLESS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR:D :D

LOVE, FELICIA

[Bill Childs]

:D Hi Felecia!!!!! Glad to hear from you!
(Those viruses are a lot of work, too. )

No, I don't think the Clay/Clai spelling makes a difference but I'll nose around and make sure.
Bill

[stacey.23]

Jeanna and Bill,

I will keep looking, but here is what I have found so far...

1910 Federal Census:
Meherrin Twp., Brunswick Co., VA; ED# 8; sheet 6A; visit 7/7
Jones, B. J., head, male, white, 30 (? - index says 50), marriage#1 - 16 years, VA, VA, VA
----- Ella, wife, female, white, 26 (? - hard to read), marriage#1 - 8 (?) years,9 children - 6 living, VA, VA, VA
----- Muntiar (? - hard to read, index says Merton), daughter, female, white, 13, VA, VA, VA
----- Emmet, son, male, white, 7, VA, VA, VA
----- Willie, son, male, white, 5, VA, VA, VA
----- Albert, son, male, white, 3, VA, VA, VA
----- Samuel, son, male, white, 5/12, VA, VA, VA
at visit 9/9 was...
Clary, R.P., head, 41, marriage#1 - 18 years, VA, VA, VA
----- Henrietta, wife, 39, marriage#1 - 18 years, 6 children - 6 living, VA, VA, VA
----- Clifford, son, 17, VA
----- Therman, son, 15, VA
----- Annie, daughter, 11, VA
----- Nancy, daughter, 7, VA
----- Geneva, daughter, 5, VA
----- George, son, 3, VA

1920 Federal Census:
Tillmans Precinct, Brunswick Co., VA; ED# 7; sheet 9B; visit 153/157
Jones, Benj. J., head, male, white, 45, married, VA, VA, VA, laborer - farm
----- Ella, wife, female, white, 41, married, VA, VA, VA, none
----- Emmet, son, male, white, 18, single, VA, laborer - house farm
----- Willie, son, male, white, 15, single, VA, laborer - house farm
----- Albert, son, male, white, 13, single, VA, laborer - house farm
----- Sam, son, male, white, 8, single, VA, laborer - house farm

Stacey

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Here's one more...

1900 Federal Census:
Rock Store Precinct, Brunswick Co., VA; ED# 9; sheet 7B; visit 145/148
Jones, Benjamin J., head, white, male, Oct 1851, 49, married 15 years, VA, VA, VA, farmer
----- Ella, wife, white, female, Mar 1871, 29, married 15 years, 5 children - 3 living, VA, VA, VA
----- Cody, daughter, female, white, Sept 1892, 7, VA, VA, VA
----- Minnie, daughter, female, white, Aug 1894, 5, VA, vA, VA
----- Emmet, son, male, white, Sept 1900, 8/12, VA, VA, VA

Stacey

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Here is Emma's side of the Turners...

1850:
Northampton Co., NC; page 65; visit 1060/1060
James W. Love, 60, WM, farmer, VA
Martha Love, 45, WF, NC
John W. Love, 23, WM, laborer, NC
Elizabeth Love, 25, WF, NC
William Love, 18, WM, laborer, NC
Martha Love, 17, WF, NC
Sarah Love, 12, WF, NC
Sterling Portis, 15, MM, NC
George Earley, 30, WM, laborer, NC
Northampton Co., NC; page 75; visit 1227/1227
Allen Turner, 44, MM, farmer, NC
Eliza Turner, 41, MF, NC
Mariah Turner, 21, MF, NC
Mary Turner, 15, MF, NC
Eliza Turner, 13, MF, NC
Amanda Turner, 11, MF, NC
Ann Turner, 9, MF, NC
Allen Turner, 7, MM, NC

1860:
Gaston, Northampton Co., NC; sheet 14; visit 110/110
Sterling Portress, 25, MM, farmhand, NC
Elizabeth " , 18, MF, NC

1870:
Gaston, Northampton Co., NC; sheet 37; visit 240/240
Turner, Allen, 63, BM, farmer, NC
Partny? (index says), Sterling, 30, BM, farm laborer, NC
----- Elizabeth, 24, BF, keeping house, NC
----- Adaline, 12, BF, attending school, NC
----- Richard, 23, BM, farm laborer, NC
----- Ada, 19, BF, farm laborer, NC
----- Charles, 1, BM, ----, NC

1880:
Gaston, Northampton Co., NC; ED# 181; page 226A ; visit 70/70
Portris, Starlin, MM, 52, head, farming, married, NC, NC, NC
----- Elizabeth, MF, 37, wife, keeping house, married, NC, NC, NC
----- Adlade, MF, 19, daughter, widowed, at home, NC, NC, NC
----- Jarrett, MM, 5, Gson, single, at home, NC, NC, NC
----- Sidney, MM, 3, Gson, single, (blank), NC, NC, NC
Buss, Bug, MM, 45, bro-in-law, widowed, farm laborer, NC, NC, NC
----- Charley, MM, 12, bro-in-law, single, farm laborer, NC, NC, NC
I couldn't find Lundy. The only ones close listed were: Lindy Moss (BF, age 6) and Lundy Harrison (BM, age 5)

1900:
E. Gaston Pct., Northampton Co., NC; ED# 67; sheet 3A; visit 48/48
Portress, Elizabeth, BF, Aug 1853, 56, widowed, 1 child - 1 living, NC, NC, NC
Burnett. Sarah E., D-in-law, BF, June 1882, 17, single, NC, NC, NC
----- charlie, Gson, BM, Dec 1890, 9, single, NC, NC, NC
Turner, Sidney G., Gson, BM, May 1879, 21, married 1 yr, NC, NC, NC
----- Elizabeth, D-in-law, BF, Aug 1881, 18, 0 children, NC, NC, NC
(from what Bill found earlier - just to put them in order...)
E. Gaston Pct., Northampton Co., NC; ED# 67; sheet 16A; visit 278/278
Turner, Lundy, Farmer, Jun 1875, 25, m'd 5 yrs; NC, NC, NC.
----- Annie; wife; b.June 1877, m'd 5 yrs; NC, NC, NC.
----- Rufus L., son, b.Feb 1897, 3, NC.
----- Marshall, son, b.Mar 1898, 2, NC.

1910:
Gaston, Northampton Co., NC; ED# 75; sheet 17A; visit 110/111
Turner, Lundy, farmer, 34, m'd 15 yrs, b.NC
----- Annie, wife, 30, m'd 15 yrs, had 6 children, 4 living; b.NC.
----- Rufus, son, 12, NC.
----- EMMA D., dau, 7, NC****
----- Marshall, son, 3, NC.
----- Lucy (?), dau, 11 (?) months, NC
Gaston, Northampton Co., NC; ED# 75; sheet 3A; visit 55/55
Turner, Mrs. Adaline, head, WF, 49, widowed, 5 children, NC, NC, NC, none
----- Charlie, son, WM, 19, single, NC, NC, NC, farm laborer - working out

1920:
Weldon Twp., Halifax Co., NC; ED# 53; sheets 10A & B; visit 184/208 & 209
Turner, Morton(? one index says Matthew), head, MM, 63, married, NC, NC, NC, blacksmith - owns shop
----- Virginia, wife, MF, 54, married, NC, NC, NC, none
----- Bettie, daughter, MF, 31, single, NC, NC, NC, farm laborer - at home
----- Frances, daughter, MF, 21, single, NC, NC, NC, farm laborer - at home
----- Arthur, son, MM, 19, single, NC, NC, NC, farm laborer - at home
----- Sallie, daughter, MF, 17, single, NC, NC, NC, farm laborer - at home
Turner, Nathaniel, head, MM, 24, married, NC, NC, NC, farm laborer - at home
----- Emma, wife, MF, 17, married, NC, NC, NC, none
Portis, Geneva, niece, MF, 1 2/12, single, NC, NC, NC, none

1930:
Weldon Twp., Halifax Co., NC; ED# 42-33; sheet 26B; visit 374/419
Turner, Nat, head, WM, 35, 1st married at 20, NC, NC, NC, farmer - general farm
----- Emma, wife, WF, 25, 1st m'd at 16, NC, NC, NC
----- Fannie, daughter, WF, 9, single, NC, NC, NC
----- Margie, daughter, WF, 5, single, NC, NC, NC
Portis, Annie R., niece, WF, 16, single, NC, NC, NC, laborer - farm
----- Laura B., niece, WF, 14, single, NC, NC, NC
----- Geniva, niece, WF, 12, single, NC, NC, NC
Turner, Bettie, sister, WF, 33, single, NC, NC, NC
----- Francis, sister, WF, 34, single, NC, NC, NC

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Here is Nat's side...

1900:
Littleton Twp. Gaston Pct., Halifax Co., NC; ED# 34; page 196A; visit 205/208
Turner, Mather (index says), BM, (blank) 1861, 39, m'd 16 yrs, NC, NC, NC, wheel wright
----- Virginia A., wife, BF, Dec 1864, 35, 7 children - 6 living, NC, NC, NC
----- William D., son, BM, Dec 1884, 15, single, NC, NC, NC, farm laborer
----- Bettie, daughter, BF, May 1889, 11, single, NC, NC, NC, house keeper
----- Lulu(?), daughter, BF, Oct 1890, 10, single, NC, NC, NC, house keeper
----- Nat, son, BM, Aug 1891, 8, single, NC, NC, NC
----- Francis, BF, Sept 1895, 4, single, NC, NC, NC
----- Artha, son, BM, Oct 1897, 2, single, NC, NC, NC
(next door...)
Littleton Twp. Gaston Pct., Halifax Co., NC; ED# 34; page 196A; visit 206/209
Jarrell, Nat, head, BM, Feb 1831, 69, m'd 35 yrs, NC, NC, NC, farmer
----- Francis, wife, BF, Aug 1844, 56, 9 children - 5 living, NC, NC, NC
----- Tom, son, BM, Aug 1865, 34, single, NC, NC, NC, farm laborer
Krieg, Les, boarder, BF, Nov 1866, 33, single, NC, NC, NC, house keeper

1880 Federal Census:
Gaston Twp., Northampton Co., NC; ED# 181; sheet 26B; visit 210/210
Turner, Natt, MM, 59, head, m'd, farmer, NC, NC, NC
----- Becky, MM, 45, wife, m'd, keeping house, NC, NC, NC
----- John, MM, 25, son, single, farm laborer, NC, NC, NC
----- Joe, MM, 16, son, single, farm laborer, NC, NC, NC
----- Mathew, MM, 14, son, single, farm laborer, NC, NC, NC
----- Bettie, MF, 17, daughter, single, farm laborer, NC, NC, NC
----- Natt, MM, 11, son, single, farm laborer, NC, NC, NC
----- William, MM, 18, son, single, farm laborer, NC, NC, NC
Littleton Twp., Halifax Co., NC; ED# 136; sheet 44D; visit 450/460
Jarrell, Nat, WM, 48, head, m'd, farmer, NC, NC, NC
----- Francis, WF, 30, wife, m'd, keeping house, VA, VA, VA
----- Thomas, WM, 16, son, single, works on farm, NC, NC, VA
----- Virginia, WF, 14, daughter, single, works on farm, NC, NC, VA
----- Benjamin, WM, 12, son, single, works on farm, NC, NC, VA
----- Etheldred, WF, 9, daughter, single, works on farm, NC, NC, VA
----- Robt V., WM, 6, son, single, works on farm, NC, NC, VA

1870:
Gaston Twp., Northampton Co., NC; sheet 26; visit 167/167
Turner, Mathias, 55, WM, farmer, NC
----- Rebecca, 37, WF, keeping house, NC
----- Dollioson(?), 21, WM, farm laborer, NC
----- Mary, 16, WF, at home, NC
----- JOhn, 13, WM, farm laborer, NC
----- Joseph, 11, WM, at home, NC
----- Mathew, 9, WM, at home, NC
----- Betty, 7, WF, at home, NC
----- Nathaniel, 2, WM, at home, NC
Banks, Harry, 38, BM, farm laborer, NC
Turner, Winney, 100, WF, no occupation, NC
Etrusia Twp., Halifax Co., NC; sheet 33; visit 279/279
Jarrold, Nath, 38, MM, farmer, NC
----- Fran., 32, MF, keeping house, NC
----- Thos, 7, MM, at home, NC
----- Virginia, 5, MF, at home, NC
----- Benj., 3, MM, at home, NC
----- Ran., 2, MM, at home, NC

1860:
Green Plains, Dist 1, Northampton Co., NC; sheet 10; visit 79/79
Winney Turner, 80, MF, cake maker, NC
Nat Turner, 42, MM, farmer, NC
Rebecca Turner, 36, MF, NC
Doll Turner, 12, MM, NC
Mary Turner, 6, MF, NC
John Turner, 3, MM, NC
Joseph Turner, 11/12, MM, NC
Littleton, Western Dist, Halifax Co., NC; sheet 7; visit 84/82
Nathaniel Jarrel, 25, MM, farm laborer, NC
Edmund " , 22, MM, farm laborer, NC
Eve " , 25, MF, farm laborer, NC

1850:
Northampton Co., NC; sheet 76; visit 1239/1239
Winifred Turner, 65, MF, NC
Nathaniel Turner, 30, MM, laborer, NC
Rebecca Turner, 28, MF, NC
Dollison Turner, 2, MM, NC
Benjamin Garnes, 12, MM, NC
William Garnes, 10, MM, NC
Halifax Co., NC; page 29; visit 517/517
Nat Jarral, 15, MM, Halifax
Edmund, 12, MM, Halifax
(A few households before them was Vincent Jarroll, WM, age 54; however, in the 1840 census for Halifax Co, are three Jerralls (James and Vinson, who are listed as white, and Jabe, who is FPC).

1840:
Northampton Co., NC; page 110
Winny Turner (5 total; 2 in agriculture; 1 in navigation)
1 FPC male 10 & under 24
1 FPC male 24 & under 36
1 FPC female under 10
1 FPC female 10 & under 24
1 FPC female 55 & under 100
Halifax Co., NC; page
Jabe Jerrall (8 total; 3 in agriculture)
4 FPC male under 10
1 FPC male 10 & under 24
1 FPC male 36 & under 55
1 FPC female 10 & under 24
1 FPC female 24 & under 36