Rickahockens

[Dan Akin]

Hey, you Saponis; I would like to know what you think about the Rickahockens that settled briefly above the Falls of the James in Va.
I know what Swanton says about them and I know what it says in Christopher Gist's Journal. They do not agree. What do you guys think?
Ca. 1755 Christopher Gist went to live beside a large Cherokee village at the present site of North Wilkesborough N.C. so he should know what he was talking about.
Dan Akin.

[Linda]

Why don't you fill us in on what Swanton has to say, whereabouts is the Falls of the James (what modern town is nearby) so we can see what you're getting at.

[Dan Akin]

Linda; The Falls of the James are in Richmond Va. Just below is where Powhaton had his village and above the falls were the Monacans.
The Rickahockins appeared there in 1654/55 and defeated a joint force of English and Pawmunkys.
Swanton claims they were Manahoacs and Tutelos.
In Gist's Journals they are "...strange indians... doubtless were fugitives of the tribe known as the Eries, or the Nation of the Cat, whose country was on the south shore of Lake Erie. The Fathers called the tribe Riguehronnous, or those of the Cat Nation. The cinciderable number of the defeated Eries or Rickahickans appear to have reached Va. in 1655, about the time the Iriquois completed their conquest. ... lately set down near the Falls of the James River to the number of six or seven hundred."
So you have historians claiming them as two maybe three different things.
Mooney claimed they were Cherokees.
Who were they?
Dan.

[Linda]

I'll go post this on the Mingo e-list. The founder of the group believes the initial group that became known as the Mingo, were Eries.

I wonder what conquest Gist is referring to. I know I've just been studying up on the 1670s. That's when the Iroquois defeated the Susquehannah and a portion of the latter flooded into Virginia with lots of guns and cause havoc (Bacon's Rebellion which sounded the death knell on the political power of the VA Siouan). If there was an earlier wave of desparate refugees in the 1650s who defeated the British and Pamunkey, what became of them? Obviously their conquest was temporary, or we wouldn't be having this conversation. 8-)

[techteach]

Just something I read in an old PA history online, circa mid-late 1800's. Logan's father was reported in this article to have been Susquehannock. He was placed in Shamokin as chief by the Iroquois, because they felt that he, being a different tribe, would do a better job of leading the mixed group of refugees from the south who were living there than would a member of the Iroquois tribes.

Techteach

[Linda]

What I've heard is that Logan's father was Schickellamy, a Cayuga who was actually a white who'd been adopted as a child. His second wife was Tutelo. The man I referred to above, Thomas, has researched Logan pretty thoroughly and wrote a chapter that's in a book I have. There's tons of misinformation and legend about him. I can look that up when I get a chance.

A fellow on that list I was talking about replied to my inquiry:



Linda,
In my opinion, I doubt seriously that they were Cherokee. In Trigger's book on the Indians of the Northeast, there are a few references to Rickahockins (Riquehronnons,Rigueronnons) meaning "the people of the village Rigue',which was an Erie village on the southeastern shore of Lake Erie in 1655-1656 (JR 42:186). There is also a reference to remnants of the Erie surrendering to the Iroquois near Virginia in about 1680 (JR 62:71). This is all covered in the chapter on the Erie. In the chapter on the Powhatans,it notes evidence of a Powhatan attack on the "Rickohockans" in 1655-1656. If you can find this book,maybe it would help sort this all out.
Joe

[Dan Akin]

Linda; Thank you! I have my own opinion about the Rickahockens but I wondered what you guys might know.
If the Rickahockens were Iriquoian speakers and somehow related to the Cherokees then their connection may have come from an earlier time in the Ohio Valley. You can find reference to a prehistory migration of the Cherokees out of the Ohio Valley through present Va. and down to Middle Cherokee settlements on the Little Tn. river.
Their are two maps from 1671 that show the Rickahockens living due west of the headwaters of the Roanoke river and beyond the Saula/Sauna or Blue Ridge Mountains.
One map was done by the order of the Lords Proprietors of Carolina and the other by Lederer.
Why then did the English have a treaty on the James river with a group they call the Rickahockens in the 1650's and 1670's maps show a group with the very same name but just at a new location? This would lead me to think they are the same people.
From Mooney's book where he states that the Cherokees claim to have lived for a time around the Peaks of Otter on the headwaters of the James river you can speculate that this may have been the Rickahockens.
A little known fact is the great Cherokee village located on the Yadkin river at present North Wilkesboro N.C. It was there in the 1750's when the Moravians were surveying their lands and when Christopher Gist opened his trading post by their village.
A history of Wilkes county states that it must have been a Cherokee capital.
So, for a stretch, is it possible the Rickahockens were an Iriquoian speaking people that quickly removed from the James river to the area of present southwest Va. then located on the Yadkin river for a time in the mid 1700's before joining the main Cherokee settlements on the Tn. river after the Cherokee War in the 1760's?
Well, to me it's possible.
Dan Akin.

[Tom]

Well that answers several questions that I have had re. the Cherokee locations prior to the 1760's.... iam sure that there must have been a good sized population in NC and VA for so many people to have that ID. and still not be related to the Qualla people and those in Oklahoma.
Thanx again.

[Tom]

There was a Fort Royal, that was originally called Fort Rickahack.
Indians in Seventeenth Century Va. by Ben C. McCary.

[Dan Akin]

Tom; Thank you. Do you know any more about Fort Royal. I know Abraham Woods' fort was near the Appomattox town near the mouth of the Appomattox river where it empties into the James.
There was a Powhaton Confederacy town called Rickahock that is shown on John Smith's map of 1624.
There is a Fort Royal Va. in Caroline county on the Rapidan river and just north of Fort A.P. Hill.
It may, or may not, be significant that the Appomattoc, Peracute, led Abraham Woods' trading expeditions to the Cherokee Rickahockens.
Dan.

[Tom]

Hello DAn ,Iam sorry I don't know any more about Fort Royal.
In doing a search you may want to have a look at the Draper manuscripts and any books on expanding early America.
I did see a book once that had a map of each decade, rail, roads and trails.
Also in any thing pretaining to the french Indian wars, aswell as the archaeologists etc on any digs etc.
Iam sure if you look you'll find something.
I'll look and see if I can be of more help to you.
All the best Tom

[Tom]

Hello dan well I think I have something for you look at the book on the Catawba people along the river by Brown ? It has some huge info on many subjects but there is some on the Rickahokens, they may be the Westoes maybe not. But I have seen a westoe pipe I believe
Let ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK!

[rosebudsaponi]

Would this be the same group as the Rockahocks??????
They were up around New Kent area and Port Royal which is right by West Point, Pamunkey and Mattaponi grounds.


The Rockahocks seem to be screaming for some lime-light here lately. I have a friend that is the descendant of the Rockahock Plantation in New Kent. It is also a Camp Ground now and from what I hear, absolutely beautiful.

Rockahocks were also at one point living in Surry Co, VA. They were part of the band with the Seacocks which were under the rule of Chief Powhatan's brother.

[Dan Akin]

Thank you Tom and Crystal; I have been looking at the Westoes and their connections to the Rickahockens. I will take a look at this book. What is the title?
Crystal, thanks for the info. on just where the Rickahocks were placed in the Powhaton Confederacy.
I'm not sure if I agree with some claims that the Westoes are the same Rickahockens that fought with the Pamunkey on the James River. I think it was a different branch of the ancient and dispersed Rickahockene people.
Dan.

[Tom]

The book is called " People along the River" by .. Brown not sure of the rest though.
It has some very intereasting info; Iam not sure who the Rickahokens were or are, but everyone that address' the issue calls them something else eventually!

[lynellarainhawk]

Linda,

My brother was just telling me about Bacon's Rebellion the other night on the phone. I am so sorry!!!! I feal like a trator!!!

He said that one of my darn Ashby ancestors played a big roll in that rebellion. I could have spit nails!!

If I had been there, I would have slapped the guy into a new time zone!!!

Dan,

I also read that some Cherokees came out of Ohio. I'm still trying to see where they fit in to my family, but some registered Cherokees came from Scioto County Ohio. Like I said though, I'm still researching that whole link up.

This is all so helpful to me, THANK YOU. Lynella.

[techteach]

Lynella,
Don't feel bad. My direct ggggggrandfather was involved in the murder of Chief Logan's family. I have poked in genealogy enough now to believe that he might have been murdering his in-laws. He came to PA where he did this awful thing in the employ of none other than George Washington himself.
Another branch of my family became connected with the soldier who wielded the first tomahawk to kill the Gnaddhutten Moravian Indians. After avenging natives dealt with him, his widow was released and married a distant great-uncle. The soldier's children were raised by the family and married into it.
All of us have skeletons in our closets.

Techteach

[lynellarainhawk]

Thank You!! Love & Light, Lynella.

[Tom]

Hey Dan did you know that in Ohio there was a Rickahoken River! I had seen this on a very ealry map and near the river was a Shawnee village! If your interested I'll post more of this info for you.
I had recently read that the Carolina tribes were horrified by these people, said to burn crops and eat children!

[Dan Akin]

Tom; I would greatly appreciate that info. Thank you.
I doubt if the Richahockens/Westos were cannibals but they did wreck havoc on the Siouan tribes of the Carolinas. They turned into slave raiders for the British.
That Ohio location is interesting as Cristopher Gist reported that the Rickahocken started as a branch of the Erie tribe and migrated through Ohio from the Great Lakes area.
Dan.

[vance hawkins]

At the link below it says (talking of th Westoes as tho they are Euchee (Yuchi) pretty intereting stuff --

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/uchean/yuchihist.htm

Yuchi ('situated yonder,' probably given by some Indians of the tribe in answer to the inquiry "Who are you?" or " Whence come you?"). A tribe coextensive with the Uchean family. Recent investigations point strongly to the conclusion that the Westo referred to by early Carolina explorers and settlers, and from whom Savannah river was originally named, were the Yuchi. It is uncertain whether the Stono, whose name is sometimes coupled with the Westo, were related to them, or whether the two tribes have been confused on account of a similarity in designation. The early writers also state that the Westo were driven out of their country in 1681 by the Savannah (Shawnee), but this must mean only a part of them. Another name applied to at least the northernmost Yuchi was Hogologee. These different names have caused much confusion, and standard maps of the 18th century have Westos, Hogologees, and Yuchi (or Uchee) noted independently. It is probable, however, that all of these were Yuchi, representing, instead of separate tribes, a number of successive migrations of Yuchi from Savannah river to the Chattahoochee-the Westo being, those driven out by the Shawnee, the Hogologee those who emigrated with the Apalachicola after the Yamasee war, and the Yuchi those who changed their place of abode between 1729 and 1750, just before and after the settlement of Georgia. . .

Itis a pretty long atricle. Please go tehre for the rest of it.

[lynellarainhawk]

I think I read the same article or a simular one about a week ago, that they ate children. I'll have to go did through my books again and see what I was reading.

Vance has some good information there too. Take care, Lynella.

[Tom]

Hello All , That info I mentioned is in a book called "The Long Hunt"; it is on the buffalo east of the Mississippi, from some reports these were the larger variety called "Woods Bison" , the ones that I have seen get very large, around 2500 pounds, very large!
Any way the info on the Rickahoken river is on a map in that book and is the route that Christopher Gist took into the southern areas., the image is rather poor but still there.
I'd like to know more about the Erie folks tho!
I will post more in the nest few days.

[Tom]

Okay here the rest , The Long Hunt , death of the Buffalo East of the Mississippi, Ted Franklin Belue 1996 StockPole Bokks.
pg. 73 map The Routes of Dr.Thomas Walker and Christopher Gist ; this map shows the rickahoken River south and west of Marietta on the Ohio river, other maps of the area show Shawnee villages.
Hope this helps, Tom

[Linda]

Lynella, I have a good deal of the narratives on Bacon's Rebellion digitized on my other site, http://www.greattradingpath.com/native-american-indian-history/bacon-rebellion/page-v.htm. I had a gig last winter digitizing this for a William and Mary project, and I used the opportunity to publish it on the site. You should be able to find mention of your Ancestor there.

If you want to read a summary of the events, it's probably best to start with the Commissioner's report, http://www.greattradingpath.com/native-american-indian-history/bacon-rebellion/page-99.htm. It does have biases, perhaps placing too much blame on Governor Berkeley, but it does seem to mention most of the events involved in some detail.

[lynellarainhawk]

Thank you! This looks way cool!:p Lynella.

[Brown Eagle]

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Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
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Subject: my family from 1590 AD back to 450 AD and powerpoint of family line from present to 1590 AD





don't worry if it looks like we are Cherokee but we have all the proof on earth that we are definitely pure Erie Indian Moundbuilders. We have proof from maps, lineage, linguistics, history and scriptures by local, state, federal government and other Countries. We have proof from the colonies and even President George Washington. We have proof that my family were the Chiefs of the Erie Nation and were called Cherokee when they knew we were the Erie Indian Moundbuilders and was known as the Rechahecrians a corruption of Rickahockans http://docsouth.unc.edu/nc/mcpherson/mcpherson.html . We were listed by more than 55 different names and we found nearly 20 more. In addition to the volumes of documents we have my lineage from the present to 1590 AD when Europeans started to marry into our family. We have traced the European bloodline which reveals total royality from many different countries back to 1065 AD. I am sure that the Historical Society and all civilized Nations on earth will be totally surprised and will help us to preserve our history.

Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, Chairman
Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
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HUSBAND
Name: Nathan Hicks
Born: 6 Nov 1743 at Albermarle Parish, Sussex, VA Non Cherokee [2]
Married: 1763 at Cherokee Nation
Died: Aft 1829 at Spring Place, GA, Cherokee Nation East
Father: Robert Hicks
Mother: Mary
WIFE
Name: Nan-ye-hi
Born: 1745 at Overhill, Cherokee Nation East Native America Full Cherokee
Died: Aft 1780 at GA, Cherokee Nation East Native Americalifornia
Father: Chief Dutch Tau-chee Broom Deer Clan
Mother: Nancy Broom Moytoy Full Blood Paint Clan
CHILDREN
Name: Catherine Hicks
Born:
Died:

Name: Mary Hicks
Born: Abt 1763
Died:
Husband: Wilson

Name: Go-sa-du-i-sga
Born: Abt 1765 at Hiwassee River, Cherokee Nation Now TN
Died: 24 Sep 1816 at Chattanooga, C N East Now TN
Husband: Walter Scott

Name: Chief Charles Renatus Hicks
Born: 23 Dec 1767 at Tomali, Hiwassee River, TN Half Cherokee
Died: 20 Jan 1827 at Fortville, TN Red Clay, Cherokee Nation Now TN , Springplace, GA
Wife: Nancy Vann

Name: William Abraham Hicks
Born: Abt 1769 at Tomatley, TN Hiwassee River, Cherokee Nation Now TN
Died: Bef 1839
Wife: Sarah Bathia Foreman

Name: Elizabeth Hicks
Born: Abt 1771 at Hiwassee River, Cherokee Nation Now TN
Died:
Husband: Richard Fields Jr.

Name: George Hicks
Born: Abt 1772 at Hiwasee River, Cherokee Nation Now TN
Died:
SOURCES
2). http www.angelfire.com ak2 MannFamilyTree 7thGeneration.h



Family Sheet

HUSBAND
Name: Richard Fields Jr.
Born: Abt 1780 at Cherokee Nation, East 1 4 Cherokee
Married:
Died: 1827 at TX
Other Spouses: Jenny (nancy) Brown Jennie Buffington
Father: Richard Fields Sr.
Mother: Susannah Emory
WIFE
Name: Elizabeth Hicks
Born: Abt 1771 at Hiwassee River, Cherokee Nation Now TN
Died:
Other Spouses: Walter Scott Eliphas M. Holt Thomas Wilson William Campbell James Vann
Father: Nathan Hicks
Mother: Nan-ye-hi
CHILDREN
Name: Moses Fields
Born: 1804
Died:
Wife: Elizabeth Bigby

Name: Dempsey Fields
Born: Abt 1806 at Cherokee Nation, Spartanburg, SC
Died:
Wife: Julia Harris

Name: Henry Fields
Born: Abt 1808 at Cherokee Nation East
Died:
Wife: Hester Ross
Family SheetHUSBANDName: John Oo-no-du-tu Bushyhead Stuart Born: 25 Sep 1718 at Iverness, Scotland Married: Died: 2 Feb 1779 at Pensacola, FL WIFEName: Susannah Emory Born: Abt 25 Nov 1751 at Cherokee Nation, TN 1 4 Cherokee Died: Aft 1767 at Cherokee Nation, TN Other Spouses: Joseph Martin Richard Fields Sr. Father: William Emory Mother: Mary Susannah Grant CHILDRENName: Oo-no-du-tu Bushyhead StuartBorn: Died: Family SheetHUSBANDName: William Emory Born: 1720 at City Of London, , London, England Married: Abt 1744 at Cherokee Nation East Native America Died: Aft 1745 at Cherokee Nation East Native America Father: William Emory Mother: Elizabeth Peake WIFEName: Mary Susannah Grant Note Born: 1727 at Cherokee Nation East Native America TN Half Cherokee Died: Aft 1745 at Cherokee Nation East Native America Father: Ludovic Grant Mother: Elizabeth Eughiootee Coody CHILDRENName: Mary Emory Born: 1747 at Cherokee Nation East, TN Died: Husband: R. Fawling Name: Elizabeth Emory Born: 1749 at Cherokee Nation East, TN Died: Husband: R. Due Name: William Emory Jr. Born: 1750 at TN Died: at Will s Knob, PA Name: Susannah Emory Born: Abt 25 Nov 1751 at Cherokee Nation, TN 1 4 Cherokee Died: Aft 1767 at Cherokee Nation, TN Husband: John Oo-no-du-tu Bushyhead Stuart Family SheetHUSBAND
Name: Ludovic Grant Note
Born: 1696 at Scotland
Married: 1726 at TN
Died: Aft 1727 at Cherokee Nation East Native America
Father: Ludovic Grant
Mother: Janet Brodie
WIFE
Name: Elizabeth Eughiootee Coody Note
Born: 1706 at Cherokee Nation East, TN Full Cherokee
Died: Aft 1727 at TN
CHILDREN
Name: Mary Susannah Grant
Born: 1727 at Cherokee Nation East Native America TN Half Cherokee
Died: Aft 1745 at Cherokee Nation East Native America
Husband: William Emory
NOTES
1). Notes for LUDOVIC GRANT On page 466, Starr state s t h a t L udovic Grant married a woman of the Long Hair C lan h ow ever , on page 561and 563 it states that he marr ie d a me mbe r o f the Wolf Clan. Two wives, or a typo? He was the Clan Chief of the Grant holdings in Scotl a n d a n d they lost the war in the Jacobite Rebellion. Th e y w er e ca ptured by the British at Preston and banishe d t o th e N ew Wo rld. Ludovic arrived on the Susannah an d mov ed i n wit h th e Cherokee, his cousins all went to B osto n and t he Car ibbea n area. Sir Alexander Cuming, in his brief Journal which appe a r e d i n the Historical Register of London for 1731, des cr ib e d hi s adventures in the Cherokee Nation in 1730 wh en , wi t h th e aid of Ludovic Grant, he convinced seven y oun g Che ro kee s including future chief, Attakullakulla , th e Litt l e Carp enter to visit England and King Geo rge I I. In a statement recorded on page 301 of the Charlestow n , S o u th Carolina probate court in the book of 175417 5 8 i n a s worn statement of January 12, 1756, says, I t i s abou t thir ty years since I went into the Cheroke e C ount ry wher e I hav e resided ever since I speak the ir l angua ge . More About LUDOVIC GRANT Blood Scottish Christened A p r i l 12, 1702, Irvine, Scotland Emigration May 07 , 171 6 , fr o m Scottland to the New World Note India n Count ry man o f Cheoah Occupation Fur Trader Starrs Notes B 6572). karen.FTW A full blood Cherokee woman of the Long Hair clan na m e d E u ghiootee. Her English name was Eliz abeth Coody.Family SheetHUSBAND
Name: Ludovic Grant
Born: 1652 at Grant, Scotland
Married: 20 Dec 1671 at Scotland
Died: Nov 1716 at Edinburgh, Scotland
Father: James Grant
Mother: Mary Stewart
WIFE
Name: Janet Brodie
Born: Abt 1656 at Lethen, Scotland
Died: 1697 at Scotland
Father: Alexander Brodie
Mother: Elizabeth Craig
CHILDREN
Name: John Grant
Born: Abt 1675 at Pluscardine, Scotland
Died: 1747 at Scotland
Wife: Katherine Dick

Name: James Grant Baronet
Born: 28 Jul 1679 at Pluscardine, Scotland
Died: 16 Jan 1746
Wife: Anne Colquhoun

Name: Ludovic Grant
Born: 1696 at Scotland
Died: Aft 1727 at Cherokee Nation East Native America
Wife: Elizabeth Eughiootee Coody
Family SheetHUSBAND
Name: James Grant
Born: 24 Jun 1616 at Scotland
Married: 24 Apr 1640 at Scotland
Died: 1663 at Edinburgh, Scotland
Father: John Grant
Mother: Mary Ogilvie
WIFE
Name: Mary Stewart
Born: Abt 1605 at Scotland
Died: 18 Dec 1662 at Scotland
Father: James Stewart
Mother: Anne Gordon
CHILDREN
Name: Ludovic Grant
Born: 1652 at Grant, Scotland
Died: Nov 1716 at Edinburgh, Scotland
Wife: Janet Brodie

[Brown Eagle]

Please have your group members email me at tecumseh_browneagle@yahoo.com and or erieindians@earthlink.net I have proof source documents histories and my family lineage to the Eries when in ohio in fact i have when Europeans married into my tribe and their lineage to back to 450AD i have tribal family info on power point so i cant share much of my findings on here my cell is 814-572-4137

Don't worry if it looks like we are Cherokee but we have all the proof on earth that we are definitely pure Erie Indian Moundbuilders. We have proof from maps, lineage, linguistics, history and scriptures by local, state, federal government and other Countries. We have proof from the colonies and even President George Washington. We have proof that my family were the Chiefs of the Erie Nation and were called Cherokee when they knew we were the Erie Indian Moundbuilders and was known as the Rechahecrians a corruption of Rickahockans http://docsouth.unc.edu/nc/mcpherson/mcpherson.html . We were listed by more than 55 different names and we found nearly 20 more. In addition to the volumes of documents we have my lineage from the present to 1590 AD when Europeans started to marry into our family. We have traced the European bloodline which reveals total royality from many different countries back to 1065 AD. I am sure that the Historical Society and all civilized Nations on earth will be totally surprised and will help us to preserve our history.

Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, Chairman
Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
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[Brown Eagle]

All Bones aka All Bones White Owl-Kalahu-Sawanugi-Shawano-Sawnook-Swanugi-Flying Squirrel - 1/2 Shawnee-Cherokee born about 1718-died after 1760 - son of Nancy Moytoy-Cherokee & White Owl-Shawnee, from the Lower towns & Cheowee, advisor to his cousin Oconastota Moytoy, raiding Ohio-New River valleys 1758, husband of Tame Deer Moytoy-1/2 Shawnee-Cherokee, father of All Bones Jr/50-1/2 Shawnee-Cherokee

[vance hawkins]

howdy --

you said --

Name: Dempsey Fields
Born: Abt 1806 at Cherokee Nation, Spartanburg, SC
Died:
Wife: Julia Harris

reply --

in 1806 Spartanburg was not in the Cherokee Nation.

I also haev a quesstion for you. were the Hicks/Hix in Virignia related to the Cherokee Hicks?

Were the Rickahockans aka the Erie? were they aka the Westo? Were they aka the Euchee? I have heard evidence for all the above.

Also you name some famous Cherokee and if I read you right, you say they are not Cherokee? is that correct?

vance

[Dreamcatcher]

I, too, am interested in knowing if the Hicks mentioned here are related to the Hicks in Va.

Vance: Do you have info connecting the Hicks in Va. to the Hicks in NC?

My gg grandmother was Amanda Hicks who married Samuel Winston in Person Co. NC in 1870. The WPA cemetery records list them buried in a Hicks cemetery which is listed as mixed blood. This was the first I knew about my heritage--thanks to Dreaminghawk! He and Becky have been incredible help. Amanda's mother and father were Martha Jane (Collins) and Chesley Hicks. I am still searching for more information on Chesley (aka Chestley). Would love to solve this mystery. Thanks.

[Brown Eagle]

http://userdb.rootsweb.com/nativeamerican/cgi-bin/search.cgi?main_id=152563&database=Native%20American%20Data&return_to=http://userdb.rootsweb.com/nativeamerican/&submitter_id=






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SELECT surname,fname,tribe,type,enrollment_type,age,sex,b lood_pct,card_no,roll_no,source,notes FROM main,surnames,tribes,enrollment WHERE main.id='152563' AND lname_id=surnames.id and tribe_id=tribes.id and enrollment.main_id='152563'

Native American Data for Amanda Hicks
Name: Hicks, Amanda
Tribe: Chickasaw
Record Type: enrollment
Age: 37
Sex: F
Enrollment Type: BB (By Blood)
Blood %: 1/16
Card No.: 1006
Roll No.: 3029


Credit belongs to the staff of SW National Archives, Fort Worth, Texas, who compiled the names from the Dawes Enrollment Cards for its NAIL search site


Others with this Family:
Surname First Name Type Sex Age Blood %
Christian Walker P (Parent) M
Hicks Walter P (Parent) M
McLaughlin Ed P (Parent) M
McLaughlin Lottie Vann P (Parent) F
McLaughlin Lottie Vann P (Parent) F
McLaughlin Lottie Vann P (Parent) F
McLaughlin Lottie Vann P (Parent) F
Hicks Amanda BB (By Blood) F 37 1/16
Christian Lee BB (By Blood) F 13 1/32
Christian John BB (By Blood) M 9 1/32
Christian Lottie BB (By Blood) F 6 1/32
Hicks Tom BB (By Blood) M 3 1/32
Hicks Charley BB (By Blood) M 1 1/32
Hicks Daniel L BB (By Blood) M 1 1/32
Hicks Daniel L BB (By Blood) M 1 132
Hicks Daniel L BB (By Blood) M 1 132
Hicks Daniel L BB (By Blood) M 1 132
Hicks Daniel L BB (By Blood) M 1 132
Hicks Daniel L BB (By Blood) M 1 132



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[Dreamcatcher]

Brown Eagle, Thank you so much. I am so new at this. Is there anything in what you sent that gives clues to dates that I am not seeing--is this Amanda my gg grandmother or an earlier Amanda. There must be a connection. By the time she was 37, she would have been a Winston, but she might still be listed as Amanda Hicks in this kind of listing. I have been searching most of the night trying to search backwards and find Amanda's father, Chesley, Chestley, Charley....I have found all three names listed in the census. In 1860 I found him as Charley. He was 45 which would have made him born in about 1815. Amanda was 9 in the 1860 census. The census taker made no reference to race. I have just searched 1820 and found a Daniel, John, Taylor and Ezekiel Hicks. The last 3 have males 5 or under. I have not found him yet in 1850 or 1840, but that does not mean he is not there. I am wondering how to find out who his parents were. Again, thanks, so much Brown Eagle for this information. This is so exciting to me. I did not have a clue where to get this kind of information.

[Brown Eagle]

I have several links of places u can look but will not fit on this great site the people in this group i am sure is indigenous to this land either full-bloods or with a tint of flavoring as myself as u can see from my lineage actually i think we are one people or a combination of many tribes yet same confederacy. my cell is 814-572-4137 an example is to search in a place u would think it is impossible to be either by blood or land as u can see most i want to send u with links wont fit

Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, Chairman
Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
erieindians@earthlink.net
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issued to:The Unknown Confederate Soldiers, of the
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Confederate States of America in Indian Territory During 1861-1865.

[lynellarainhawk]

You guys,

:) Brown Eagle has a lot of interesting info. to dig in to. TRUST ME!!! Love & Light, Lynella.

I'm hoping to have more time to speak with him some more on the phone. And I will providing the lightning co-operates!!!

[vance hawkins]

howdy Dreamcatcher,

I don't know anything about a connection between the Cherokee Hicks and those on the Va/NC line. But I am fascinated by the conenction between the Chickasaw and Virginians who first crossed the Mountains, and the surnames found amongst the Cherokee left behind after the removal, and Piedmont Siouan surnames -- many seem to be similar. Hicks might be another of many surnames that seem to cross over. If these Cherokee surnames can br proven to haev been Piedmont Siouans 2 generations earlier, it could prove some Saponi/Tutelo et cetera went to live amongst the Cherokee.

SOmeone ought to do some research in this area.

vance

[vance hawkins]

Brown Eagle,

What evidence do you have that the Erie (aka Rickahockans) survived into the 18, 19, 20th, and 21st centuries? That is, what documents exist mentioning that their descendants live today? it sounds interesting.

Also can you answer the questions I asked you last week on this forum?

thank you.

vance

[Brown Eagle]

Hi How are you

please email me at tecumseh_browneagle@yahoo.com or erieindians@earthlink.net or call me or leave a number for me to reach you reason being the size of the documents i can not send thru here and my typing is not could feel free to call me at 814-572-4137

thank you and i have source documents among other items maps from other nations and usa not to mentin christopher gist sequoyah's grandfather friend of george washington who wrote george washingtons journals.

[vance hawkins]

howdy Brown Eagle --

well I'm gonna go 'n' jog about 2.5 miles down & back an irrigation canal in 100 degree heat right now -- and If I survive (which ain't certain) -- I'll email you after I get back and have rested up a little. :)

good t' meet ya --

vance

[Brown Eagle]

ok i await your return

[lynellarainhawk]

Vance,

So that's your secret for staying so young! A run like that would drop me most assuredly!;)

I think your idea for researching those Cherokee surnames/Piedmont Siouans/Saponi, Tutalo is a very good idea. There is surely to be some type of useful information to be found there. Lynella.

[Brown Eagle]

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