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[jinglejammer27]

i currently got an e-mail frem saponi nation in southern missouri...so far they said the name jarman isnt familiar to this list of enrolled ppl...are the saponi nation thats frem missouri ....saponi-blackfoot or just different saponi ? does anybudy know of the saponi rez address in kentucky?

[techteach]

Jingle:
I will say welcome to the forum. I have been gone all week and am still in Atlanta, so I could not welcome you when you first posted. Hopefully, someone here will be able to respond to your questions. I am afraid I do not know the answers.

Techteach

[Linda]

The Mahenip trace back to Fort Christanna in Brunswick County, VA where all the tribes called Saponi by the British were. Actually, there were five tribes, all Siouan and closely allied, but the Gov got tired of listing them all, so he decreed they were all to be known as the Saponi, so that's what the histories state from there on out.

I've been told by a Mahenip that the Blackfoot ID has been carried in their families so much that they've assumed the two words, Blackfoot and Saponi, were synomous.

There "were no Indians in Kentucky," according to the KY government, so nobody lived there classified as such. In reality, a lot of people from the eastern tribes fled into the mountains and disappeared into hollows. It means that tracing those roots involves seeing what's behind all the records.

Sometimes all we have to go on is that one of us had an ancestor that lived in such a such a town, another one of us had an ancestor in the next county. Both of us have similar stories about Indian ancestry, and there are similar names in the family tree, so from that we feel like this circumstantial evidence is getting pretty weighty and has verified what we were told. Then somebody comes along with similar names, similar story, and their family traces back to Fort Christanna! Then we really know we've got something going on.

So that's why you see all the ponderous lists of family trees here, we're trying to find those patterns that will help tell the tale, and help us to re-connect.

[Tom]

Hello Jingle and welcome!
The supporting evidence that binds us all together was once considered a "problem" and probably Andrew Jackson is still laughing about his ploy, his "indian problem".
Anyway these old family histories have now become a very supportive evidence of our history and what has happened to the supposedly extinct eastern souian tribes, some how I really do not feel extinct.
It will be a really great day when we can trace all of our lineages back to a common ground, and to a group of common sir names, and Jingle I hope that you will still be with us when that day arrives.
Linda once you had mentioned a citation to me er. the Blackfoot and thier statements , I wish that you'd post it again if you have not.
All the best Tom

[Linda]

What citations were those, Tom? What statements were those?

[Tom]

Hello Linda you had once told me in conversation about a groups of people going before a Colonial body and declaring themselves to the "Blackfoot", somethingh that another researcher had told you about.

[Linda]

That's the problem, I don't have a citation for that. Someone told me that he saw it, while researching colonial records, but can't remember where it was. He had ideas where it is, which I checked, but nothing so far. He did a lot of his research in England in the colonial records there, so that may be where it is.

[Tom]

With all of our resources it may be possible to track it down , the more we have to go on and the more folks that we might have have something may come of it, something simular may have been seen re. early war records, I just wish that we could attatch a name or names to historical records.