Chief John Grass Charging Bear

[Lightening Fox]

Does anyone have any ideas on the family of this Chief. I know he is related but don't know how. I was able to visit his grave this fall and read books where he was a couselor on many treaties but not the great warrior as many were during those days...his position was passed down through generations...he did make a big mark in history..many of his friends as well as he, were at Little Big Horn, Wounded Knee and he witness Sitting Bulls demise as well as fought for the Ghost Dance...

[techteach]

Welcome, Lightening,
I am glad that you joined us. I am afraid that I misunderstood your story of your chief when we spoke on the other forum. I thought that your chief had to be eastern because of your connection with the Cherokee, but the further information that you have written here puts him in the wrong part of the country, I am afraid, unless we find further information on him. As I recall though, aren't the rest of your family from Virginia and W. Virginia?
BTW, now I see that you are from Iowa, you might be interested to know that this is where my Cherokee/Blackfoot bunch, including the Hustons, ended up, in eastern Iowa, where I am also originally from. My Blackfoot ancestor was from PA, born earlier than Carlisle was taking students.
I think your Fox group might very well be connected in other ways here, since they are from West Virginia. My family came from there also, as well as PA. From there, they went to Ohio, then Iowa and some further west than that. I have a cousin raised on a western reservation because her side of the family did not choose to live as white.

Cindy

[Lightening Fox]

Hi Cindy...
I agree...unless they got mixed up with my group in PA but I am convienced that my group came from PA also and migrated...especially with the French/Indian wars that came along during this time..
I am sure that the Chief is from Canada...there are Grass's all over the place up there...Putting links together is like me trying to thread a needle!LOL! With my coorination problems I act like a drunk and barely can type...BUT VERY GOOD THERAPY...
I probably confussed everyone..it has been a hard holiday on me this year with tone and spasticity...My mind is going in many directions trying to keep up with the Fox's and Grass's both and NOW we found Chief Keokuk is related to my husband! LORDY MERCY HELP!LOL!
Just call me Princess Posted Notes! Blahahahahahahahaha!

[techteach]

Lightening,
Well maybe we can help sort your Fox family out. Your posting about the Hustons sure has me sifting the Internet. I posted this citation to another thread. Good thing I used to teach French; I even went digging that direction and turned up a bit more information, but still no other reference to Huston. I am going to get the library to send me that citation about John Fox riding with the Montours and Hustons and see if there might not be something more in that publication. It all may mean nothing; I am not even sure my ggggggrandfather, Andrew Huston came from PA, but the families that his daughter's children married into in Iowa certainly did, right near where Catherine Montour lived for a time.

Cindy

[Lightening Fox]

Thanks Cindy...

I think I may have a gal helping me sort out the Fox's. She has a wonderful webpage


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fox2/homepage.html


But I can't help think that Chief John Grass Charging Bear isn't involved...

I got kicked off my surname message board at Ancestry because I offended some people insiuating black and indian blood was on our side...Silly huh? Well...maybe some people are ashamed but ya know we are still children of the Creators even if we are green!

[techteach]

Lightening:

Many people here are triracial. Many have ancestors who were identified as FPC which some laws translated as African American but may/may not have been. Most have backgrounds similar to yours though, with native people often calling themselves Cherokee and/or Blackfoot coming from originally from Virginia/West Virginia, PA, Kentucky, the Carolinas, and moving to Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Texas, etc. We might be able to help in your search also. Tell us about your Fox line, Huston line (I assume that there are Hustons, since we communicated there.) and maybe we can help.

Cindy

[Lightening Fox]

Cindy there is no Huston in our line THAT I know of...John Fox was with John Huston when he rode so that is what I wondered if they were friends or related...

[Gidget]

trying to find anyone that has the Doggett's and Clatterbuck's in their family. if you do ,please let me know. thanks so much and god bless.

[techteach]

Gidget:
Welcome to this forum. I am sorry that I was out of town and could not welcome you earlier.
If worth anything, my mother's side of the family is the side with the Blackfoot ID. Some of them live around Springville and Central City, IA. I have heard some of them talk of Clatterbucks. I cannot give any details to even say if they are related to me or not, nor can I even give you a first name, but perhaps it gives a location to look. Tom's family were in eastern Iowa for a time. Mine were there and many remain there. Some settled in Central City and Springville.

Cindy

[Lightening Fox]

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The following was transcribed from THE ADVOCATE, Tahlequah, Cherokee Nation,

SECOND TRIAL OF DICK TURNER

October 5, 1883-The Cherokee Advocate-The second trial of Dick Turner for
the murder of Charles Squirrel, last June, in this District, began here
Monday last and closed Thursday, at noon, with a verdict of guilty of
manslaughter in the first degree.
Judge Bigby fixed the sentenced at nine years confinement in the National
Prison. The prisoner exhibited a good deal of emotion as the Foreman of
the Jury was announcing the verdict.
When asked by the Judge if he had any thing to say why sentence should
not be passed, he replied in a low tone that, he had not.
After he had heard and fully understood the verdict and sentence, he
soon regained his self-possession, and although very pale pleasantly
acknowledged the greetings of his kindred and friends, who were present
to bid him a long good bye. Court was adjourned at 1 p.m. and a few
minutes later Sheriff Sanders delivered the prisoner into the custody of
High Sheriff French, who at once placed him behind the iron bars to wait,
the fulfillment of the sentence.
The case was managed by Solicitor Triplett, Mr. E. C. Boudinot, Mr.
George Butler and Mr. John Grass for the Nation and Capt. S. J. Benge
and Major John F. Lyon for the accused.

[Bill Childs]

Lightning & Techteach,
While meandering thru the Huston lines in Penn., I've found FOX families in their vicinity in Pa., Oh., In., and I "think" I remember one in Iowa.
Also one marriage:
From The Old Swede's Church (Gloria Dei), in Philadelphia (!?):
Peter FOX + Elizabeth HUSTON, 12 March 1795.

[techteach]

Bill:
I am not surprised. James Alexander Ralston, the son of my Nancy Agnes McLane with Blackfoot ID, was called "The Fox" and no one knew why. Lightening Fox found the passage I posted earlier that connected the Fox family with the Huston family when they kidnapped the PA family and I found her on the Huston genforum. That Huston family is the family of Queen Catherine's husband. I found an old history that identified her as not really Iroquois but Sussquahannock (sp?).

Cindy

[Lightening Fox]

She felt like being at the time...she was ruthless...Let's face it she was nothing to cuddle with at night if it was cold out...LOL!!!

[techteach]

Lightening:

Do you mean Catherine or Esther? Esther was the one who was said to have killed 16 whites in revenge for her son's death. I thought that Catherine was generally thought to have been a friend of Chief Logan's father and also, I believe, William Penn. She was mother to Andrew Montour who was interpreter if I remember correctly.

Cindy

[Lightening Fox]

Have it neither one was to be messed with!!!