Yesah Migrations

[Tom]

Hello " Posters"
AS time goes on and new members join in, the mention of family migrations always comes up.
The earliest I can track my familiies movements to is SAmpson co, NC and if I worked at it back into VA.
I live in southern Alberta Canada, my family left Sampson co during the 1830 or so and moved into White County Tn, from there they move into Indiana and wisc by 1860, next on to Iowa by 1900 and mn, 1909 and up into Canada by 1920!
It would be very intersting to see how many other families with the Blackfoot ID have shared simular routes, the movements into the NE is common but many of these same families have moved into OHIO and Indiana on to the mid west.
Did our families know that we were all moving in the same direction?
I hope that we can get a map or 2 up so that we can really see this.
I have seen a map from the NE. with town / fort locations giving the numbers of Saponi - Tutelo people , a type of census so to speak, if I can track that map down we should see some coorespondences to historic families,and Iam sure several that are posting here.
All the best Tom

[techteach]

Tom,

What are some of your names? This is virtually the same route my folks took. Virginia, PA, Ohio, Iowa. Several ended up in Nebraska and on then to Canada, although it was BC.

Cindy

[Tom]

Hello Cindy , the names are Hardin , Carey, Groat with connections to Williams, Vaughn, carters, and several others from the racine Wisconsin area.
I think that there was probably some knowledge of these migrations, in a community sence. All the best; Tom

[techteach]

Tom,
Only have a Williams out of that list of names. My family moved in a bunch too. They are still around Cedar Rapids. But I shopped for Christmas presents in Racine twice today, ha ha. We keep Penny's in business there, I think.
Cindy

[Tom]

Hello Cindy, well one day I'd like to go to Racine and knock around, there's several family plots there and I'd like to try and locate relatives.
Most moved into Iowa during the 1870s or so maybe later but several were born in Wisconsin and on to Minnesota, I have found simalr names in that stae as nieghbours but did not check it out.
Where did your family move to in Canada?
ll the best , Tom

[techteach]

Tom:
The one I was thinking of is "Charles F Miller formerly of this place (near Maquoketa, IA), now of Leduc Alberta Canada." He was not directly related but married a cousin in Iowa. Others came from Ontario and Quebec but indicated no specific location. They married into the Streets and Mitchell lines. Theses lines are not my direct ones and we are not sure where they came from, although they were in the same location in Iowa as the rest.

Cindy

[Linda]

My cousin has Stretsbury's in Vernon, WI originating in VA and marrying into a number of "suspicious" names there. I wonder if Streets might be a variant.

[techteach]

Linda and Tom:
Might very well be. I don't remember seeing that name in the cemetery as I walked through. I checked the Jackson county, IA web site where there are some names from cemeteries. I looked in those cemeteries that have some of my people but did not see Stretsbury. It is not a stretch, though, to have them drop the ending when Streets was a popular Indian agent. But, Tom, I did see a lot of Carters and Hardins.

Cindy

[Tom]

Hello Cindy , That's interesting you are near Maquoketa Ia, I have pics. of someone from that erea, not sure who tho' Family was also near Honey Creek WI but moved to Honey Creek Ia outside of Council Bluffs, aswell there was a "hood"in the inner city that family eventually got into to stay for years , some relatives in that area still, Hardins etc in Lincoln, CB and Omaha. All the Best Tom

[techteach]

Tom,

I found a Hardin in one of my genealogies who marries into my family in Jackson County, dated 1960 or therabouts. Here is the URL for the place that I found Hardins listed in cemeteries in Jackson County, http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajackso/Cem/ I found them in the Iron Hill Cemetery. There may be more if you click around. Of course, this only lists those with headstone pictures on another web site, but it is still helpful. My people (and apparently Hardins also) are found in Emeline, Baldwin, Maquoketa, Monmouth areas. My direct line of ancestors, including my ggggrandmother whose headstone reads Blackfoot and who came from PA, are buried in the cemetery listed as Hickory Grove in Emeline.

Cindy

[Tom]

Hello Cindy thanks for the web posting, I'll have to have a look around, I do know that there are people researching our Hardin _Groat line but I haven't been able to hook up with them perhaps one day they might find this web site, once agin thank you. Tom

[techteach]

Tom:
It's nice to have someone whose family went the same direction as mine. It helps to identify them.

Cindy

[vance hawkins]

Hi Tom,

my people were in Southern Indiana -- surnames Woords, Richey, anr Dickson. Woods/Dickson ent from Tennessee to Indiana in 1807. Richey's went to Indiana between 1797 and 1812 or 13. John Richey is recorded at Mobile, Alabama, as part of an "Indiana Militia" during the War of 1812 --he was said to have been in Mobile when the War ended in 1814 or 1815, so he was only about 17 years old at the time. Census records say he was born in Virginia. He went to Gibson County, Indiana.

My Woods/Dicksaon ancestors went to Knox County Indiana in 1807 and to Gibson county, in 1809.

I am wondering how "Gibson County", Indiana got its name. They were in Southern Indiana, and near the Wabash River. What part of Indiana were your ancestors in?

Mine went to from Indiana to Arkansas in 1844 settling in Powhattan, Arkansas, in Lawrence County.

My Wayland ancestors went straight from Scott County, Va to Lawrence County, Arlansas in 1815, one record says "Spring of 1816", but others say 1815. Maybe they came in 2 groups as there were a lot of them I think.

The first Wayland in Indian Territory was Jarred Wayland, recorded at Fort Gibson, (Cherokee Nation) in 1830. Richey's appear in Indian territory on the Arkansas River in 1872, this iis on the border of the Cheroke/Choctaw Nation just barely in Indian Territory, not far from the Arkansas line. In the 1880s they appear in the Chickasaw Nation.

So where your ancestors went North from Indiana, mine came South and West from there. I think this was a common route of migration, too, but I might be wrong.

I first find my Black's, Brown's, Gists, and Looney/Roney's in N. Alabama and I have lots of evidence they were Cherokee. They went to Arkansaswhere they married into the group just mentioned, where they too moved into Indian Territory in 1872.

vance

[Tom]

Hello Vance, my family moved from white co. TN into Indiana prior to 1855 or so they were in WI by 1860, so between 1840 and 1855 they relocated into the Orange co. area and several others but not sure at this time, they moved into areas that have all those southern names, amongst them Carey . I have seen where James Carey was the interpretor for the treaty of Holston during the 1780s and his last name was misinterpreted as Casey, Cazey and several others, seams very common, I looked at the original treaties years ago and he was involved in atleast a dozen, whether or not he is related Idon't know but the name at the time was owned by very few.
When you translate Carey or carry into Cherokee it comes back as Ulustee,(SP) anyway, there was a civil war battle of Ulustee in southern GA, this was a cherokee unit, and they had the cherokee insignia on many items. Including a "kepi" that was made from brain tanned hide with a yellow medicine wheel beaded on the top of it, main colors were red and and yellow.
Really very interesting, I thought that you might enjoy that!
Anyway your families movements are very interseting because many people moved south closer to Indian territory while others moved north , why remains a mystery, the Indian association is intersting since where ever my family moved to they always relocated very close to federal reserves, one branch of our family lived on the reserve in Kansas and later went to Oklahoma and lived at Shawnee, I think trying to get land after the kansas reserve was divided up, not succesful they moved north to Wyoming and took up homesteading, where the family had land up to not long ago.
These relocations are interesting and there's still many old stories that we cling to. any way that's more than what you asked, but it's nice to explain our history, Merry Christamas, Tom

[Bill Childs]

Hi Tom,
Who specifically are you looking for in Southern Indiana in the 1840s & 1850s ?
Bill

[vance hawkins]

Tom, I am doing research about this time frame and his name comes up over and over! I'll get a link from the internet to you in the next few days if you are interested in looking up this fella. He translated between Watts and Blount. As a translater, in those days, his work was very important, because a slight mistake might have dire consequences.

Blount made the Cherokees sign over lots of land and then used this as a ploy to make the Younger Cherokees upset at their elders, saying "Well your fathers signed away this land, get mad at them, not us, for settlin' on it!"

Tom, there is a small town in the southwestern part of my home county called "Olustee, Oklahoma." :) I have no idea conserning of the origin of the name of the town, however.

vance

[Tom]

Hello Bill, and all, well the folks that I descend from all moved into Wi from Indiana, but there are others from the same line , I believe that John Williams was one of them and really any of the Carey family aswell the Hardins, but at this time I need to look at the family records for sure, but I believe John Williams would interest me.
On one of our families death records they list John as the father to Martha Williams, later she married Jeremiah Groat in Iowa, but no mention of her mother.
That side of the family are the ones that lived on the rez, in several areas, her son my G grandfather married a Blackfoot Cherokee woman,- the hardin line., but Marthas 2 surviving boy's both looked like they were mixed blood people, the younger one Fred looked like he could have been more than half Indian in his early years. All of his descendants still look Indian, very tall and dark, if there is Indian people on Mathas side that would mean that both of my Grandmother's parents were mixed and that has been presented several times.
I'd really like to know who Marthas mother was, there's more ofcourse but that would be nice to know. Thank you for asking Bill, happy New year to all, Tom

[Charles Orear]

Hello Fellow Researchers,
Here are a couple of detailed blowups of Lewis Evans 1755 map showing the location os our Southern Siouan Ancestors.Also I saw in some other post in this forum some people were talking about the Tug Fork or the Big Sandy being called Totteroy. It is true that the Big Sandy was called Totteroy and was the location of the Tutelo circa 1699. My Blackfoot ancestors and allied/related families moved to (or back to?) this area circa 1820-1830. Also I am attaching a link about the Carmel Indians of Ohio. It shows these folks came from Magoffin County KY, and it my opinion that they people are Blackfoot/Southern Sioux in origin.
Charles

http://www.vcdh.virginia.edu/lewisandclark/encounter/projects/monacans/Documentary_Evidence/lemap.html[/URL]

http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Inn/1024/carmel1/Carmel1.htm

[Charles Orear]

Hello Fellow Researchers,
Here are a couple of detailed blowups of Lewis Evans 1755 map showing the location os our Southern Siouan Ancestors.Also I saw in some other post in this forum some people were talking about the Tug Fork or the Big Sandy being called Totteroy. It is true that the Big Sandy was called Totteroy and was the location of the Tutelo circa 1699. My Blackfoot ancestors and allied/related families moved to (or back to?) this area circa 1820-1830. Also I am attaching a link about the Carmel Indians of Ohio. It shows these folks came from Magoffin County KY, and it my opinion that they people are Blackfoot/Southern Sioux in origin.
Charles

http://www.vcdh.virginia.edu/lewisandclark/encounter/projects/monacans/Documentary_Evidence/lemap.html

http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Inn/1024/carmel1/Carmel1.htm

[techteach]

Charles:

Thank you for the links. I tried both links and the first one worked. However, the second link did not work for me. I took the opportunity as moderator to try and edit your post, so that others could open the web site successfully, as I could see what the problem was, however, my edit only partially worked. So, for others trying to use the link, copy all the text after [url] in the second link and then open a new browser window. Paste it into the address line of your browser and then it will work. Thanks for the links, Charles!

Cindy (techteach)

[Charles Orear]

Here is the correct link for the page and sorry about any problems.Also here is the detail of the Evans map for the area that is now Eastern Kentucky
Charles

http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Inn/1024/carmel1/Carmel1.htm[/URL]

[techteach]

Thanks for fixing this link, Charles. I have a couple of those names, a ggg-something-grandmother coming from somewhere nearby, I think, a Brown. I also have a ggg-something grandmother, McCarty, but she is from Central PA.

Cindy