The Problem with Dennis -- Not Welcome

[Linda]

I said I never wanted to ban anybody, but here's my first.

I've asked Dennis several times to please chill out on the endless debates on issues known to be offensive to many Native people. I personally am not offended, but I don't have a dog in that fight, and I do mind having those fights carried out repeatedly on my front lawn, so to speak.

Others have also been complaining that they feel, with the length of these posts, passersby will assume that this is what our forum is all about, and that's not fair to the rest of us.

I've never said he needed to stay away, just that he cool it on these known hot buttons. His response both times I've spoken to him has been to delete all his posts, which has left some of our threads in shambles. He just did it again, so I removed his privileges on this board.

Sorry Dennis, we did not dislike you, we just needed you to respect our wishes and not upstage everyone with your own point of view and dominate the tone of the board in ways the group as a whole is not comfortable with.

I don't think that was too much to ask, nor do I think it warranted to throw the "temper tantums" of deleting any and all your posts.

[vance hawkins]

Linda, it is also my fault.

But I was just so annoyed.

I appologize.

vance

[Linda]

I don't really consider it was your fault. First, you weren't saying anything that's known to annoy a fair number of Native people that you'd been requested to keep a low profile on earlier. Secondly, you didn't go through and delete a number of posts, leaving a number of threads in an incoherent mess.

It's entirely the deletions that necessitated the banning. It wasn't because of what anybody had said. It's just the destructive response to a simple request.

[Forest]

I have to say, I'm glad this particular debate is over. I thought it was getting a little dragged out, on a topic that, at best, was not particularly helpful, and at worst, offensive.

Like you Linda, I didn't really feel I had a dog in that fight, but as most of you know, I am sort of a stickler for documentation, and backing up what you present as facts with hard evidence. So I had to agree with Vance on his responses to what was going on.

Anyway, I hope we can move on from here.

[Linda]

Thanks for your understanding. I feel bad about this happening here.

[vance hawkins]

Yall, Dennis said things that were just not true. Linda & Forest, truth is sort a sacred to me. Wanna talk about sacredness, or Indian Spirituality -- that's it in a nutshell -- forget new age weirdness -- just be honest and truthful and try & do the "right thing". Now what's so difficult a concept here to understand? What's the need for anything else? Well that's my opinion and I might be wrong.

Some people might believe his new age nonsense because they didn't know any better, and because people who did know better just let it slip by unchallenged. Somebody had to challenge him. To let his lies go through unchallenged was sorta like endorsin', puttin' a stamp of approval, on them.

But boy, I sure didn't wanna hafta be the one to do it. I kept hopin' someone else was gonna step up to the plate 'n face that Nolan Ryan fastball. Lis'nin' to what he was sayin' for me was like lis'nin' to fingernails scrapin' the chalk-board. Personally I 'wanted to" like Dennis as a man I mean. And I think face to face we could be friends.

Linda, I have no authority on this board to tell people what to say or what not to say and I don't want such authority either. You do a great job & I appreciate you very much. Nobody could do it better. That's really why I apologized

I regret that this was the only way to keep from hearin' Tokyo and Tuckahoe were 2 versions of the same word, which he kept sayin' in thread after thread. I replied politely 3 or 4 times and he had a comeback every time and I always let it pass every time in the past. These things happened in the last 6 months or so.

But no Va. Algonquin speakers went to Japan and no early day "Japanese explorers" came to Virginia. That's just silly.

I'd 'a given my eye teeth tho if I could 'a gotten him to see reason :(. . . and I mean that sincerely! 'Course I wear dentures :)
vance

[CoheeLady]

Hello Everyone,
Linda, I just wanted to thank you again for ending the nonsense that was occuring on this site. You did the right thing. Vance, I'm glad you stood up to Dennis, thanks! The only reason I got in the middle of it was to let other people know that we didn't support his "New Age" talk, or his viewpoints.
Sincerely,
Cohees (Co-hees) Lady