New Member - Looking For Bowling/Boling Ancestor!

[rsmith0127]

Hi Everyone,
I'm a real rookie so go easy on me, please. First, I'd like to thank you all for allowing me to join you here. I've glanced at some of the queries and posts and this looks like a very user-friendly site with some very helpful people on it.
To get to the point, I'm researching my roots and in doing so, have discovered that I may have some Native American roots - specifically, Saponi Indian. Both of my parents hail from eastern TN with a lot of their ancestors coming from the Randolph, NC area as well as other areas of NC and also VA. My g-g-grandmother, Elizabeth Boling, b. 1811 - I'm sure had Native American blood - the family thinks from Pocahontas but, I believe she may have Saponi ancestors instead. Her father was Larken Boling, b. c. 1785 and her mother Suzannah Garner. Larken's father was supposedly William Boling, b. c. 1755. - we can go no further back with William. We have proof that Larken was the father of Elizabeth but no proof of William being the father of Larken yet. I have found this reference to a "John Bowling" and was wondering if anyone here could help me with him:

"1742 - John Bowling, Maninassa Captian, Tom Blind, Tom Foolish, Zack Little, Zack, John Collins, Charles Griffin, Alexander Machartoon, Isaac Harry, and Tom Orange, VA. Eleven Saponi Indian men were brought into court in Orange Cty, VA. They were arrested for traditional burning, and slashing of woods, killing pigs for food, accused of shooting a weapon at a Colonial named Strothers, and threatening the life of William Harrison. The Orange County court ordered that the Indians be taken into custody by the sheriff until they gave peace bonds with security, and their gusn be taken from them until they were ready to depart out of this Colony, they having declared their intentions to depart within a week."

I would really appreciate any help regarding this news item, especially anything on John Bowling. Thanks, Ron Smith

[CoheeLady]

Hello RSmith,
I wanted to send you a website address regarding the Bolin family. I researched the web, to find the best one. It has information on the Baker family as well, so don't get discouraged as there is plenty of info. there on the Bolin family. The information is well written & appears to be accurate.

I live in Virginia, & am only related to the Bolins, through the Bell family. However, my relation is purely by marriage. As my great-great-grandmother Emma Walker (Arthur) Bell's father William Arthur died prior to her birth. So her Mother got remarried, to Mr. Samuel Anderson Bell. His father was Powhatan Bolin Bell. The only proof I have of Emma's dad not being Samuel Bell, is a will that was left behind. As it states she isn't a Bell. Also she was not given anything, she had to relinquish all of her rights to any land. I suspect that my great-great-grandmother was indeed a Bell by blood, due to the way she was treated.

If you connect to the "right" line of Bolins, you are indeed related to MATOAKA POCAHONTAS POWHATAN, the daughter of WAHUNSONGCOCK POWHATAN.
Website: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/8056/bakerb.html

Sincerely,
Coheelady :)

[rosebudsaponi]

Well hello Ron and welcome to Saponitown. You have no idea how long I have waited for a Bolling descendant to surface. We have alot of work to do so my suggestion to you is to roll up your sleeves and jump right in. LOL

What we need to do is to compare notes first and foremost. My e-mail is Rosebudsaponi@aol.com. Please contact me and we can get this part of the line moving.

[rsmith0127]

Coheelady & Crystal,
Thank you for responding! I knew there were some really great people on here. Coheelady, I went to the link you referred me to and yes, it's a goldmine for Boling info. I'm the co-administrator for a Boling (all spellings) Research site and got really excited at all the info posted. I wanted to use some of the info and tried to email the owner, Leslie Gunter for permission and found out her email address is no longer any good. The site hasn't been updated since 1998 or 1999. Do you happen to have a valid email address for her? Much of the Bolin info she has posted she says she has sources for - I'd love to get some source info on some of her data but can't get in touch with her.

Crystal, I'm so glad you were waiting for a Bolling/Boling/etc. descendant to show up! I'm at work right now and don't have access to my database so I can't send you much detail on my Boling ancestors. I will give you an email at the addy you have listed when I get home later tonight. Thanks for responding to both of you! Ron

[Linda]

Are Bullen/Bullian variations of Boling? I see those two listed as possible Saponi surnames.

[rosebudsaponi]

Linda,
I don't think so. The Bolling line originates in Prince Geo area of VA. CPT Robert Bolling married the grand-daughter of John Rolfe and Pocahontas. Her mother was a Poythress. :)

[rsmith0127]

Linda & Crystal,
I've seen it spelled so many different ways - you wouldn't believe it! People back then just spelled a name any old way it sounded so if you look at the spelling and can imagine someone trying to write down a name they had just heard . . . it's possible to spell Bolling - Bullen or Bullien or Boulden or . . . you get the idea. I never discount the spelling of a name unless it's so far off there's no way it could be spelled that way. This is one of the reason's we have such a hard time with the name Bolling/Boling/Bolin/Bolen/etc. Why couldn't it have been SMITH! :D Ron

[CoheeLady]

Ron,
I'm glad you found the Bolin site helpful. I don't have an email address for Leslie Gunter, sorry. I found her site only due to your post regarding the Bolin family, as I wanted to help you. If I am able to locate her address, I will let you know. Ron, would you be so kind as to supply me with the Bolin Research Site address, that you are co-administrator of?

It's nice to have you as a new member to the Saponi site, Welcome! :)
Sincerely,
Coheelady

[rsmith0127]

Talk about feeling WELCOME! Thank you all for making me feel like I'm part of your family - and, like Dennis said, we are all from the same family . . . just a short walk here and a little longer walk there to find each other.
One other thing . . . I can feel my Native American blood calling me. This is the strangest thing to admit here, but ever since I was little I used to feel it. I dreamed it but couldn't somehow identify it when I was much younger. Now that I'm much wiser, more mature, and a lot older, I feel it much stronger. I'm not sure where I belong, but I know it's somewhere. There probably isn't more than 1/250th Native American in me, BUT it's that tiny amount that's calling me home. I'd like to know where I belong.

One thing that I haven't mentioned is in my research, I've found several websites devoted to researching Melungeon ancestors. In doing so, I came across the physical characteristics of Melungeons. I checked myself and have 3 of the prominent characteristics:
1. The "speed bump" ridge that runs across the base of my skull where it meets the neck. Mine is very prominent.
2. I also have the "shovel teeth" in the upper & lower teeth.
3. I also have always tanned very dark and have white splotches all over both arms where I don't tan - Vitaligo.
So, somewhere in my ancestry I've got Native American or Melungeon grandparents or both. :confused:

[Linda]

Keep an open mind about other lines in your family. Mixed blooded people stuck together, where you find one, you tend to find another, and another. Some generations may have come along that wanted to minimize that down to that solitary "Indian in the woodpile" but what you may find is that they were there, and in the kitchen, and out in the pasture, and down to the schoolhouse.

[rsmith0127]

Thanks, Linda
You know, I've always been open minded about finding whatever I find in my ancestral search. My heritage and where I came from can't be changed - I don't walk along picking up rocks, looking under them, to suddenly pick one up and throw in back down, pretending I didn't see what I had just seen under it! You pick them ALL up and welcome whatever you find under them - good or bad. Besides, it's not the color of the skin that counts, it's ones character and integrity.
I've already encountered persons who were extremely rude and behaved in a very immature manner regarding this issue. I won't ever and will not accept that type of attitude towards ANY group of people. That's just the way it is with me. So whatever I find under my rocks - I accept - that's genealogy. ;)

[Linda]

I didn't mean to be saying that I didn't expect you to be open minded, I mean it in the sense that, even though the family has been calling itself pure white, doesn't make it so. Maybe "take it with a grain of salt" is a better expression than "keep an open mind."

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

I have a son Ron.....that's an easy name for me to remember.

Have you seen the name spelled Bowling. That is the way the Bowlings that lived near my Collins spelled their name. Also have you seen the 1742 court case
"Orange County, Virginia. Order Book No. 3 1741-1743 (Microfilm, Genealogical Society of Utah, 1948).

At a Court held for Orange County on 27 January 1742 [1743 NS]. Thursday, the xxviith day of January MDCCXLIII.

p. 309: "Alexander Machartoon, John Bowling, Manincassa, Capt. Tom, Isaac, Harry, Blind Tom, Foolish Jack, Charles Griffin, John Collins, Little Jack, Indians being brought before the Court by precept under the hands & seals of Wm Russell & Edward Spencer, Gent, for terrifying one Lawrence Strother & on suspicion of stealing hoggs . . . ."

pp. 309-312. The above put up security individually. It was ordered that their guns be taken from them till they are ready to depart out of this county, "they having declared their intentions to the Court to depart this colony within a week" (Orange Co., VA, Order Book 3, 1741-1743, 309). Orange Co., VA, Microfilm Reel 31, VA State Archives. "

This is another connection of Bowling/Collins. Makes one wonder

:confused: :confused:

[rsmith0127]

Linda & Brenda,
Hi to both of you! Linda, my apologies for sounding so abrupt and aggressive with my reply. I knew you weren't singling me out per say - I just got started and jumped up on my soapbox - SLAP! Now I feel better! :D

Brenda, yes I was aware of the hog stealing incident with John Bowling and the others. The thing I'd like to know is who John Bowling was and is there any other info on him? Anyone know who his parents were or anything about him?

And, yes, some of our Boling ancestors were listed on some of the census' taken as FPC. I'm aware that many of the people listed as FPC could also have been Native American. And, sometimes it was up to the census taker as to how he viewed you as to how he listed you on the census.

[rosebudsaponi]

Linda and Emma,
Again, this goes back to the fact that I think we need to start from the beginning instead of the end and trace 2 of these gents. In particular, the Collins and the Bowlings. We have discussed this idea before and I'm wondering if there's anyone that is close enough to Orange County/Louisa County/Amherst County to go digging. Anyone up for that?

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

There is another one to add to the bunch......BUNCH

Micajer “Cage” Bunch 1733- 1804

http://www.geocities.com/ourmelungeons/bunch3.html


Old Thomas Collins

http://www.angelfire.com/wv2/dillon1944/old_thomas_collins_of_flatt_river.htm

Sizemore

http://home.cinci.rr.com/ancestry/sizemorelink.html

[rsmith0127]

Coheelady & Everyone,
If any of you would like to join us at our research site on the Bolings (any spelling), please email me at: rsmith0127@yahoo.com with your first & last name as well as a short bio on yourself- including the fact that you are part of the Saponitown Forum, and I'll send you an invitation! The site is on MyFamily.com and it requires a "User Name" and "Password" to get into it. The short bio allows me to introduce you to about 100 other researchers on the site.
Coheelady, my apologies for not getting back to you on your previous reply asking to get into the site. I'm so EXCITED to be part of this forum. Crystal has sure helped me see some light at the end of the tunnel too. Thank you, everyone, for any help you've been able to give and for any help you might give in the future. Please let me return the favor, if I can. Ron

[archgrl]

Hi... I was reading the whole thread about your Bowling family ties and thought I might share with you mine.... I have a Wright Bowling/Bolin, born around 1832 in Clay County, KY, married Marinda Collins (b. abt. 1837 in Clay County, KY).... Marinda is the daughter of Calvin Collins (b. abt. 1810 in TN), who is son of Amos Collins.

As far as I know, Wright's parents are John Bowling/Bolin (b. abt. 1790 in VA) and Sarah Henson. His grandparents are William Bowling/Bolin and Sarah Fugate.

I think this is the same line of Bowlings/Bolins that descended from the John Rolfe and Pocahontas line.

Carrie E. Collins

[rsmith0127]

Hi Carrie!
Thanks for your reply to my post. I'd be more than happy to send you an invitation to join the rest of us on our site. Look for the invitation from MyFamily.com in your email. Also, look for your user name and password. You can change both to anything you'd like. Also, there's a link that you can click on that will take you to the site. Follow the instructions to get on the site. If you have any problems getting on or after you get there, let me know. Welcome to our research site, Carrie! Ron

[pghapki]

Greetings from Arkansas!

I am also a decendant of the Bowling/Bolling/Bollin family thru Nancy Eli Bowling and Thomas Boone Roberts. I have always been told that our family was connected to Pocahantas, but I have discovered that my ancestor, Benjamin Bowling, may actually have been a son of a William Bowling, "born in the Saponi Nation".
I have also seen a family tree posted on the net that lists Ben's son, Rev. Jesse Bowling as "Melungeon?"
I would be happy to share what info I have on my Bowlings.
Hope you have good luck ancestor hunting!!
-Paula

[rsmith0127]

Hi Paula!
Thanks for responding to my post! I really get excited when someone answers that might have something that may tear down a few bricks in my "Boling" brick wall. I'm firmly convinced that my Boling line did NOT descend from Pocahontas BUT probably did descend from the Saponi indians instead. I have traced my Boling lineage back to a William Boling/Bowling, b. Abt. 1755 and married to an "Elizabeth". Could this be the same William that you mentioned in your post? Please email me at: rsmith0127@yahoo.com Thanks! Ron :)

[Rachel McCraw]

I'm also descended from the "blue" Bollings through Hannah Bolling/Bowling (b. ca 1766, m. Solomon Osborne), daughter of Benjamin Bolling (b. 1732) and Patsy Phelps. Like Ron, I suspect a Saponi link with this family--location, time, and some of the people they lived around/married make me lean toward that. Looking into this more seems like a great idea. :)

[RDCONLEY]

My ggggrandmother was Louanna Bolen/Bolling b. 1774 in Va & d. 1850 in Perry County, KY. she was married to Edward (Ned) Sizemore b. 1778 in Shenandoah Valley, Va d. 11/27/1858 in Perry County, KY. Ned Sizemore's parents were George All Sizemore & Aggy Shepherd.

Louanna Bolen/Bolling

William Bolling b. 1757 in NC m. Sarah "Sally" Fugate
(Ned & Louanna had a daughter nicknamed "White Sally")

Benjmin Bolling b. 6/30/1734 in Wilkes Co., NC d. 1/20/1832 Flatgap, Russel Co., Va. m. 6/20/1753 Albermarle Co., Va. Patsy Felps g. 1734 Albermarle Co., Va d. 3/8/1767

John Bolling II b. 1/20/1700 Cobbs, Henrico Co., Va. d. 9/6/1757 Cobbs, Henrico Co., Va. m. Mary Elizabeth Blair b. 1/20/1708 d. 4/22/1775

John Bolling b. 1/27/1676 Kippax, Va. d. 9/6/1757 Cobbs, Henrico Co., Va. m. Marry Kennon b. 6/29/1679 Conjures Neck, Henrico, Co., Va. d. 6/27/1727 Cobbs, Henrico, Co., Va.

Robert Bolling b. 12/26/1646 All Hollows, Barking, London, England d. 7/17/1709 Kippax, Charles Co., Va. m. Jane Rolfe b. 10/10/1655 Indian City, Petersburg, Va.

Thomas Pesironemeh Rolfe m. Jane Poythress b. 1630 Jamestown, Va. d. 1/1680 Charles City, Va.

Information on Bollings obtained from one of Brent Kennedy's melungeon books.

Roger

[Linda]

Does this make you one of the many descendants of Pocohontas?

I know I've heard the Bowling/Bolen is one of the names documented to Saponi. I wonder what this documentation is. I've often seen the Bowling name mentioned in connection with the Rolfe's, so I wonder why it's said the Bowlings are Saponi and not Powhatan. Anybody know?

Sizemore is a common Indian name down here. Rick Haithcock says they're Saponi. I'm trying to think which community has those name, is it the Lumbee?

[Bill Childs]

Ron,
Do you have a MOXLEY or HORD/HERD/HOURD/HOWARD line mixed up with your Bolling/Bowlin line? (I've worked on that known connection for 6 years without making any headway.)
Bill

[rsmith0127]

Bill,
Thanks for your post. I'm sorry but I don't have a connection in my line of Bolings. I'm sure my William Boling, b. abt. 1755 is not the same William Boling as yours. My William had a wife by the name of Elizabeth ???. Notice the name Larkin/Larken? The only other Boling lineage I've seen this name in is the Benjamin Boling line that moved to Indiana from NC. I believe my William Boling may have been the person mentioned with John Boling and other Boling's as Saponi Indians but I have no proof yet. Of course, his wife, Elizabeth could have been Saponi. By the way, a male member (Boling) of this line has taken the Y-DNA test and isn't from the Pocahantas line of Bolings . . . which I knew anyway. This is why I have a strong feeling we descend from the Saponi Bolings that migrated from VA to NC.

Descendants of William Boling

1 William Boling b: Abt. 1755 in Prob. Randolph Co., N.C. d: Bef. 1830
..+Elizabeth ??? b: Bet. 1750 - 1760
.......2 Robert Boling b: 1776
..... +Sarah ??? b: 1803
............3 William Boling b: 1830
............3 Robert Boling b: 1832
............3 John Boling b: 1834
............3 Nancy Boling b: 1835
............3 Larkin Boling b: 1837
............3 James Boling b: 1843 in Campbell Co., KY d: Jan. 14, 1912 in Sevier Co., TN
.............. +Rebecca K. Sheppard b: Feb. 22, 1856 in Sevier Co., TN
...................4 Rosa Meltin Boling b: 1883
...................4 Lillian Boling b: Jun. 1888 in Sevier Co., TN
...................4 Lavern Boling b: Oct. 1890
...................4 Ada Bolden Boling b: Sep. 1894 in Sevier Co., TN
.................... +Will Huskey
.........*2nd Husband of Ada Bolden Boling:
.................... +Issac Reagan
..........*3rd Husband of Ada Bolden Boling:
.................... +James Harvey Seaton
.....................4 Isacc McKinley Bolingn b: May 26, 1896 in Gatlinburg, Sevier Co., TN d: Dec. 09, 1929 in Sevier Co., TN
...................... +Bertha Elzora Smelcer b: May 30, 1896 in Sevier Co., TN d: Jun. 10, 1995 in Sevier Co., TN
........2 Larken Boling, Sr. b: Abt. 1785 in Prob. Randolph Co., NC d: Bet. 1840 - 1850
......... +Susannah G. Garner b: Abt. 1790 in NC
...............3 Emeline Boling
...............3 Shadrach Boling b: Abt. 1806 in Prob. Blount Co., TN d: 1872
................ +Patsy Rogers d: Bef. 1850
.......................4 Alfred Boling b: 1832
.......................4 Elizabeth Bolingn b: 1833
.......................4 Pherebe Boling b: 1835
.......................4 Eliza Boling b: 1837
.......................4 Biddy Boling b: 1842
.......................4 Dolly Boling b: 1844
.......................4 John W. Boling b: Nov. 1845 in Blount or Sevier Co., TN d: 1910 in Blount Co., TN
....................... +Matilda Jane Dunlap b: Jan. 1857 d: 1910
................ *2nd Wife of Shadrach Boling:
..................... +Celia Cagle
.........................4 Margaret Ellen Boling b: 1851
..................3 Elizabeth (Betsy) Boling b: Abt. 1811 in TN d: Aft. Feb. 2, 1882
................... +Josias Gamble b: Aug. 28, 1800 in Blount Co., TN d: Nov. 23, 1881 in Blount Co., TN
..........................4 Susan Jane Gamble b: Nov. 25, 1835 d: Nov. 12, 1912
.......................... +Caleb Franklin Davis b: Jul. 7, 1833 in Blount Co., TN d: May 09, 1881 in AR
...........................4 Larken Boling Gamble b: Dec. 3, 1839 in Either Knox Co. or Blount Co., TN d: Oct, 12, 1920 in Linn Co., OR
............................ +Amanda E. Maxey
........................*2nd Wife of Larken Boling Gamble:
............................. +Annie M. Shafe
.............................4 Elizabeth J. Gamble b: Abt. 1842
............................. +James G. Cochran
.............................4 Margaret Gamble b: Abt. 1843 in Anderson Co., TN d: Jan. 1, 1916 in Turley, Campbell Co., TN
.............................. +Francis Edward Apperson b: 1830 in VA d: 1906 in Turley, Campbell Co., TN
..............................4 Ruth A. Gamble b: Apr. 30, 1844 in TN
.............................. +Dave Collins
..............................4 Sarah A. Gamble b: Abt. 1848
.............................. +Dave Johnson
...............................4 Emeline Gamble b: 1850
...............................4 Martha (Matt) Gamble b: Jul. 1, 1852 d: Jan. 21, 1936 in Westville, Adair Co., OK
............................... +William F. Rhea
........................3 Larken Boling, Jr. b: 1813
........................3 Pleasant M. Boling b: 1816 d: in Casey, KY
......................... +Esther Davis b: 1812
................................4 Susan Boling b: 1841
................................4 James Boling b: 1843
................................4 Vina Boling b: 1845
................................4 Harriett Boling b: 1849
..........................3 Henry Clay Boling b: Bet. 1817 - 1819
.......................... +Fanny ???
.................................4 Isabella Boling b: 1840
.................................4 Louisa Boling b: 1843
.................................4 Pleas Boling b: 1845
.................................4 John Boling b: 1846
.................................4 Emeline Boling b: 1848
.................................4 Hetty Boling b: 1849
Larkin

[Bill Childs]

Ron,
Was doing research some time ago for a HORD/BOLLING descendant of Indian descent who was looking for a Robert Bolling, b.abt. the 1760s/70s Va., had a daughter Nancy, b.abt. 1801 Ky, who marr'd a HORD in Mason Co., Ky. Two of my 3rd grt-grandmothers were HORD sisters - hence my interest. Your names do somewhat correspond but are obviously just coincidental. Don't yah just hate those Virginia people who moved over the mountains without leaving a forwarding address?!
Bill

[rsmith0127]

Bill,
They either couldn't write or didn't have paper and pencil when they left! It's too bad we didn't have a connection somewhere. Maybe we'll find one somewhere down the line.

I have a several of my lines that I haven't been able to find any info on which leads me to believe they may be Native American lines. Names include Hicks, Munsey, Boling, Garner, Bowden, Smith, etc.

Ron

[rsmith0127]

Bill,
By the way, I see you are in Indianapolis . . . I was born and raised near Richmond, Indiana. Mom lives just east of town but across the state line in Ohio. Her address is New Paris, Ohio. I lived in Milroy, Straughn, & Richmond before dad and mom moved us across the state line in Ohio. We lived just outside Palestine and then moved to Hollansburg, Ohio where I graduated from high school.

Ron

[Bill Childs]

Ron,
Yeah, I know where those towns are. Haven't really "been" there - just passed through the area.
The HICKS and BOLLING/BOWDEN (prob. same) are of course familiar in certain lines. MUNSEY is not new. Some of the MUNCIE (Muncey/Munsey) tribal people did settle early on, in east-central Indiana and the surname coincidence should not be dismissed out of hand. Muncie, Ind., was named for the Munsey Indians.
Bill

[rsmith0127]

Hi Everyone!
Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm still alive and kicking! I sure have missed you guys! I'm still looking for a connection to the Saponi tribe through a William, John, or Benjamin Boling. I've had a post from Paula in Arkansas that gave me some "clues" to some links but haven't been able to reestablish contact with her. Paula, if you're out there please email me at: rsmith0127@yahoo.com

I have been looking into the Y-DNA testing that has been done on the Bolings I descend from - I'm in Group 6. We are working on trying to eliminate much of the false data that seems to be plagueing the Bolling name. The Y-DNA testing has found, for instance, that the 1734 Benjamin Bolling and the 1754 Benjamin Bolling aren't connected. Many people have them as father and son - not true, according to the Y-DNA tests done. I know there is much controversy over this but, I tend to trust the Y-DNA tests rather than the info that may or may not be right that so many people have posted on the internet. Just my opinion.

If any of you have info or have seen info on William Boling, b . 1755 - married to Elizabeth ???, please email me or respond to this post. I would certainly appreciate it!

Happy hunting!

Ron Smith
Spokane, WA

[saj]

Here is another link to traders etc. mentions Robert Boling as listing surveys 1710-1712..Robert Boling surveyor. See the Pettypool..etc. Richard Smith..etc.
I hope i'm not posting too much..
Sue
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/MONACAN-INDIANS/2003-01/1043903874

[rsmith0127]

Thank you, Sue! This may help in putting together some of our Boling ancestors. I have many cousins that have Boling ancestors from NC and we all are pretty certain they weren't from any of the Pocahantas lines. So, we've been looking at other links and so far, the Saponi Nation may have the link hidden somewhere. If you know of any other info or sources, I'd love to get them. You can email me directly at rsmith0127@yahoo.com

Thanks again!

[searching1]

i have info i got a couple of years ago from a sharon haglock in tx. who is/was a researcher for the sizemore family.
susan sizemore married john bolling who was the son of rev. jesse bolling.(not sure of the spelling).leslie county ky.
SIZEMORE LEGEND FROM INTERVIEWS DONE IN KY.
the cherokee indians had captured a white girl. one indian chief ,seeing her beauty fell in love with her, however the girls brothers were sent to bring her back. under her heart she carried the child of the indian chief, this child was named george all sizemore.(father of susan) he took to him an indian girl named aggie who had been adopted by a man named cornett. sometimes she was called shepherd. it is not known if shepherd was her indian name. this story was told by pleasie woods(b.1825 clay co. ky)
from ledford: eli bowling m. nancy wilson(1)susanna roberts(2)
1817 1819
nancy bowling m. john sizemore, son of john the pioneer
john bowling m. sally sizemore, dau. of george
aggy bowling m. william muncy
james bowling(spring creek jim)m. in 1808 kizzie lockard

malley bowling,daughter of james, m. john gilbert.
hope this helps someone. some of the papers she sent me are hard to sort out.

[searching1]

i found an interview done w/ rev. hughes bowling.
Rev. hughes bowling- hector creek-april 22, 1898
brn. leslie co. ky.then clay april 8 1857. i was born on bull creek, my father was john bowling, my mother susan napier,my paternal grandfather was james bowling, his wife was mahala wilson, my g-grandfather was eli bowling. he came from licking river tn to clay co. ky. in 1807. his sister mary(called mollie) came w/ him and married rev. john gilbert. his brothers levi, james, and john came with him also. a sister nancy married a sizemore.james bowling had 2 sons named dan and dave who lived on their g-fathers land on bear creek in clay co.
rev. jessie setteled on the north fork in breathitt county was uncle of eli, john, james, mary and nancy. this is how i have always heard it.
old john hays who lived and died on old hector said that the bowlings mentioned all came from tennessee. and that jessie bowling of north fork came from the same place the others did.
rev hughes bowling joined the church in late 1884and was a preacher in the missionary baptist church.

[rsmith0127]

Thank you, Janie for posting this valuable info! Every little bit helps to put the puzzle together so we can see the BIG picture. Anything else you might have on these Bowlings would be greatly appreciated. I've been working on tracking them down for years and have pretty much figured out where most of them migrated. My Bolings came from VA to NC to Blount Co., TN. One of the names in my Boling line is "Larkin/Larken" - not a common name. I've seen it in the Indiana Bolings & a couple of places in TN & NC, but not anywhere else. Supposedly, my 4g-grandfather, Larkin Boling who married Suzannah Garner was from NC. His father was William Boling, b. 1755 - I can't make any connections in the Bolings from William on back. By the way, my William wasn't "William 'Blackwater Bill' Boling". I've eliminated him. My William didn't die until after 1820.

[Bill Childs]

Janie & Ron,
As you know, the Bollings ain't easy, but I'm still working on these specific ones and will post my results once I'm unable to advance the line any earlier.
Bill

[searching1]

ron, i have several pages of stuff on the bowlings. i will do my best to scann it in and send the file to you. if i cant fiqure out how to do that i will post as much as i can on the forum. sharon haglock is/was a researcher for the LDS. i was interested in the sizemores when i contacted her and the bowlings/bolings seemed to come with them. i just searched some sites at rootsweb and other places, i had no idea the bolings/bowlings were such a difficult family. man, i thought my family tree had a lot of squirells!! ill do what i can

[searching1]

JUST WONDERIN IF ANY OF YA ALL HAD READ THEM. IF NOT YOU CAN FIND SOME EXCERPTS AT WWW.GLOBALGRAFFITI.COM/FAMILY/SIZEMORE/DICKEY.HTM
THEY ARE VERY INTERESTING AND HAVE SOME GREAT INFO ON ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE AREA.

[Koreana]

Well hello Ron and welcome to Saponitown. You have no idea how long I have waited for a Bolling descendant to surface. We have alot of work to do so my suggestion to you is to roll up your sleeves and jump right in. LOL

What we need to do is to compare notes first and foremost. My e-mail is Rosebudsaponi@aol.com. Please contact me and we can get this part of the line moving.

You got Bolling, too. I knew it was more than just your cool avatar that I liked.:p

[steve750]

here is another spelling way, i have a gggrandmother named nancy bowlen, born 1805 in tn. no other info on her.

[RDCONLEY]

My ggggrandmother's name was louanna bolen/bolling born in Hawkins Co. Tenn 1800-1807. She had a sister named Nancy their parents were William "Blackwater Bill" Bolen/Bolling and Sarah "Sally" Fugate. She married Edward "Ned" Sizemore. Sizemores, Bolens, Begleys and Ritchies migrated from the blackwater area of E. Tenn to E. Ky in early 1800. The area of E. Ky that I am from contains lots of Bowling families. The other most common spelling of this name is Bolen.

[pghapki]

"Blackwater Bill" Bowling was the brother of "my" Bowling, Jesse. His father was Benjamin Bowling.

[rebelredsun]

My 6th Great Grandfather John Asbury married a Jane Bowling in Stafford Co VA in 1745. No one has not one clue who Jane's father was. The only real clue is that she inherited a huge sum of money and land and it stayed in probate for close to 50 years after her death. I have never researched this side of the family and after some basic research I have learned of a strong oral history of Indian heritage. But I am afraid that Janes father will never be known. If anyone has any info I would be greatful

[Linda]

I don't know a lot about this, but I believe there were Bowlins who were descendants of Pocohontas, and also part of the clan of rich aristocrats who ruled the colony. Perhaps your ancestor was part of that story. Pocohontas has thousands of descendants, actually.

[rebelredsun]

This Jane is more than likely a "Blue" Bowling. No one knows were she came from. It looks like her father may have been a Benjamin Bowling born in 1704 but this is were the brick wall really begins. I will have to check the DNA and see what comes up, they have a fantastic DNA study.
I have been blessed with many lines of Indian Blood, and I do help people with their Native American Genealogy. I remember I used to laugh my tail off when someone claimed to be related from Pocahontas. The Pocahontas ancestry is a true ancestry through the Red Bowling’s, but no-one knows were these "Blue" Bowling’s came from. But one thing is a fact some of them were very well off.

[Judy Tweedy]

Hi,I just posted on the share geneology part of the forum. My family is from Pike Co and Dubois Co.,Indiana. I live near Greenfield,Indiana. Anyway,I have Bolin links down there in Pike. They are cousins and the Bolin married into the Riley family,but there are tons of them down there. One is double cousin. I don't know alot about them,but know that my g aunt Mary Ellen Hughes and her husband Kel Riley's daughter m. a Bolin. She died in childbirth and they raised the little girl,Golden Bolin,as their own,along with their other 12 kids. Some place I have a book from the family renunion that we attended about 5 yrs ago that lists them all. I also have became very close to a couple of my second cousins that my mother and I met while there.

[RDCONLEY]

Several Bolen/Bolling families can be found in Clay County KY, follow link from Mildred Sizemore Family Page.

http://www.globalgraffiti.com/family/sizemore/sizemore.htm

[PappyDick]

I never heard of Blue Bowlings, but I've heard of Blue Fugates, and RD mentioned a Fugate woman marrying a Bowling (in post #42 above). If that is of any relevance.

[RDCONLEY]

Attached picture of Ella Sizemore ggggranddaughter of Louanna Bolling, Ella is holding my mother Esta Jayne Stumbo.

Name: Louanna BOLLING
Sex: F
Birth: 1780 in VA
Death: 1820 in Perry Co., KY
ALIA: BOLEN, BOWLING, BOHLEN

Father: William "Blackwater Bill" BOLLING b: ABT 1757 in VA or
NC
Mother: Sarah "Sally" FUGATE b: BEF 1770 in Fredrick Co., VA

Marriage 1 Edward "Ned" SIZEMORE b: 1778 in Shenandoah, Page, VA
Married: 1797 in VA or TN

Children
William SIZEMORE b: 1796 in TN
Nancy SIZEMORE b: 15 JUN 1799 in TN
Sarah (White Sally) SIZEMORE b: 1800 in Hawkins Co., TN or VA
Lewis Level SIZEMORE b: ABT 1800 in Virginia
Winnona "Winnie" SIZEMORE b: ABT 1801 in Virginia
Edward "Slim Red" SIZEMORE Jr. b: 1805 in Clay Co., KY
George Washington SIZEMORE b: ABT 1805 in Clay Co., KY
Susan "Susie" SIZEMORE b: 1807 in Clay Co., KY
Christopher (Kit) SIZEMORE b: 1810 in Clay Co., KY
Ephraim SIZEMORE b: 1812 in Clay Co., KY or VA
Sylvania (Sylvia) SIZEMORE b: 1816 in Clay Co., KY

[RDCONLEY]

Attached picture of Lewis Sizemore, Lewis was born March 26, 1880 in Floyd CO. KY. He was named after his grandfather Lewis Sizemore born 1800 son of Edward "Ned" Sizemore and Louanna Bolling.

[RDCONLEY]

Attached picture of Ella Sizemore holding my mother Esta Jayne Stumbo, picture failed to upload on previous post.

[RDCONLEY]

Attached picture of Marion Sizemore (My ggrandfather, his nephew Virgil Sizemore, niece Armina Sizemore, nephew Richard Sizemore, brother Joe Sizemore and Joe's daughter-inlaw Addy Artis Sizemore, picture taken early 1940's Floyd CO. KY. Marion & Joe were brothers of Lewis Sizemore shown on my previous post. Marion Sizemore was my grandmother Ella Sizemore's father. These people are descendants of Edward "Ned" Sizemore and Louanna Bolling. Their ancestors miagrated from James River through North Carolina and Tennessee to South Eastern Kentucky being part Indian and lived in the center of Melungeon communities.

[RDCONLEY]

Attached picture of my mother Esta Jayne Stumbo, she is a descendant of Nancy Thornsberry (Blackfoot), George of All Sizemore and Aggy Shepherd Sizemore (Catawba?) Louanna bolling (Powhatan ?) She was born June 9, 1922 Floyd CO., KY.

[RDCONLEY]

Attached picture of my daughter Sarah Conley-Stephens and daughter Baylee Ann. Pocohantas?

[Bill Childs]

Hey, RDC, glad to see you back again.

[beeleaf]

Hey, I'd like to refresh this thread, if I may.

I have two of these lines, still with variant spelling even among siblings. Both are from the Patrick Co, VA and/or Stokes Co, NC area. GG grandpa was George Frank Bouldin (son of William Bouldin and Joanna Collins). His wife (my GG grandma) was from the James Bowling line of the same area. Richard Haithcock lists this Bowling line and Joanna Collins' relatives (Elisha was her uncle) as as "Occaneechi-Saponi and other HOH.

There was also a Thomas Bouldin in the same area (Henry CO) who is listed as Indian on one census, FC on another. Have not figured out if there's a connection to him. I know his family believed they were Cherokee, as their rejected applications are on record (connected to the Quarles/Qualls family).

Seems like this area (Patrick & Henry Co aka Pittsylvania, Stokes, etc.) only gets a brief mention now and then, usually by me. ;~) Are there any other folks on SaponiTown poking around in these places? They are rich with native puzzle pieces. When I think about the Saura village covered by Philpott Dam in that area, and right down the road Occaneechi land covered by the Kerr Dam, it's quite striking. Especially while driving down Hwy 58 (Philpott Hwy) to get to either of them.

[magnolia]

I descend from Bolling Clark married to Winifred Buford .
Maybe you could look at the Wyndham Robertson
Descendents of Pocahantas online.

Magnolia:)

[marijo]

Hello, I joined this site because of my personal family ( Christopher Steen b. 1745 near Ft. Christina, Del. moved to Blackfoot Town ( later called Dagsboro). However, I am also helping a friend with her ( I had supposed Cherokee lines) in Ga. Her gandfather was Rueben Malachi Boling. They called him "Monk". He was b. in Forsyth Co. Ga. in 1908. His parents were Reuben "Tip" Jackson Boling b. 1875 in Cherokee Co., Ga. Tip md. Maggie Tallet Edwards and they are both bd. in Forsyth Co. Henry Clay Boling b. 1839 in Ga. According to the 1880 Cherokee Co., Ga. census, Henry was b. in Ga., his father was b. in NC. and his mother in Ga. Henry Boling md. Emily Rebecca Green. I just started this family yesterday. There is no doubt that they were either part or married into prominent Cherokee families in Forsyth and Cherokee counties. I have not yet encountered Larkin. To be continued....

On anoter note, I fund a ref. to a Nelius Stan captured by Shawnee and being released in Fort Pitt in 1763. Steen is ( according to the family) a Norwegian name pronounced stan. This Nelius claimed to have families who were Meninists ( Mennonites) near Fort Christina Del.

Happy Hunting,
Marijo