The Collin's name

[Rbecca74]

I feel so out of place here it's not funny. I recieved this site through another posting i made in another forum. I've not done much searching yet , but would very much like to find out more about my indian ancestry...
My Grandfather Was half " Blackfoot " indian ,and his name was Dewey Collins, I know that his cousin was also a collins and from the west virginia area. His name was Abe Collins, probably short for Abraham not really sure only called him pap! but my grandfather lived in ohio in the appalacian mountains...
i know this isn't much info but any help would be appreciated! any clues on where to start looking would help too. I'm really new to this geaneology thing.
Thanks!

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

Rbecca74,
I have been researching the COLLINS surname for over 30 years and still have so many unanswered questions. This family is not an easy one to follow so I can truely understand how you can get fustrated when not finding the answers.
I think we have communicated before but in case my memory is wrong...I have a website listed on my profile with a lot on the Collins surname. My line followes Meredith Collins from the Colonial Virginia area through NC, then Kentucky and his descendants into West Virginia.I also typed Dewey Collins into Google search and came up with this:
Dewey Collins married Mildred Hammond
Children : Edwin D. Collins, Ives D. Collins, Max D. Collins , & Marlin D. Collins

Hope this might e of some help.
Brenda



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Life is a Rainbow made up of Many Different Colors.....

[Linda]

Well, you can't really feel out of place here with a name like Collins and and ID of Blackfoot from WV and Ohio Appalachians.

That's about as solid as you can get for belonging here. Take you time and read up on posts. See the article on the main page, "The Other Blackfoot" and you'll see what I"m talking about.

Welcome and Merry Christmas!!

[Bushtick]

Hello Brenda,
I'm a cousin of yours from the Griffin Collins line.
I am sure you remember that Riley Collins s/o Griffin married a Nancy Emaline Hammond's ........could this be the same Hammonds line that thsi Dewey married into?
Take care,
Nancy

[Red Buffalo]

On the COLLINS FAMILY My ggreat grandfather Aaron Collins was from the William Collins of the 1700s aND MY ggreat grandmother ElizabethCollins was from the David Collins born 1750 William and David were Brothers I was always told that William got a land grant from the government for fighting in a war and moved to Ohio. My great-great grandfather Aaron was killed by the confederate army in a raid into south Missouri . My line of Collins goes all the way back to a Saponi Indian by the name of John Collins born in the 1600s.

[Linda]

I'm curious what the connections are that bridge the Saponi Collins to modern generations. I know Brenda has been chasing that elusive link for years.

[coyote]

Osiyo, to all. I am so excited to find all this info on the Collins line. So many of you have put in years of hard work,its a treasure for generations to come.My aunt had been researching my mothers line and i came here looking at the blackfoot ,i had no ideal the Collins my fathers line was so rich with history also.I have to start putting together his side also.
wado for the insperation.
Angie:p

[Linda]

Welcome, Coyote. Has your family carried the story that you all were Blackfoot? Would that be on the Collins line? If not, what names are involved?

[coyote]

No on the Collins line i have nothing i cant even get my aunt to answer my calls . Shes the only one left i can get info from all the rest have passed.I can tell you this my grandfather mack was a dark skined man in dark i dont mean Black blood we have none of those Traits on eithier side no offence meant to anyone just trying to be clear here.no hair on his face or chest he had black eyes and black hair, he was a farmer.
As to the blackfoot story it comes from Grams Brewer Her maiden name was Gibson and before that its willams and downing,and hubbard. some where in these lines.grams gibson said her mother was full blood but the only downing i can find is a chief downing and he was cherokee no refernce to black foot so unless its in the gibson line i dont know.
Any help you can offer will be apreceated.Do yo have any of the blackfoot surnames put together? Maybe where they came from at what time and there lines.

[Linda]

Williams and Gibson are both names associated with Saponi/Tutelo families. Brewer is also a name found in Indian families in the SE.

I don't have a list of all the people I've heard from with the Blackfoot ID. That's something I'm probably going to need help with compiling. There are so many emails and posts to sort through at this point.

My theory is that the Blackfoot ID is a marker for Saponi/Tutelo aka VA/NC Piedmont Siouan descent. So, all the names you've mentioned fit the pattern. Pretty remarkable.

[coyote]

Well its a start , im enjoying reading in all the forums hopfully we can all learn something from them. I have look at the rolls of diferent nations and all my surnames show up on one or the other of them.Its just hard to pen a finger on any direct line.
Angie/coyote

[Bushtick]

Hello,
My father ...... a Collins's from the Griffin Collins line was a light ruddy skinned black hair and grey eyed man. And what was so odd to me growing up was that he didn't have any hair on his chest or legs, I can't say about his face, as I don't remember him shaving, he died when I was 11 years old, but I do remember about his chest and legs.
All my life I was told that my Collins line was Cherokee Indian .......but haven't found documentation of that.
Interesting.
Nancy

[Linda]

Where was your family living? There are some Cherokee in the midwest who are intermarried with the Saponi Collins. I'll see if I can get you someone to contact.

[Bushtick]

My Collins line lived in Wise Co., VA. It is the Griffin Collins line , same as Brenda's I believe.
Anyway, I have Mullins's on my mother's side , grew up being told that we were Blackfoot Indian on that side and then my Collins side was supposed to be Cherokee Indian.......the Griffin Collins line was listed as FPC on the 1830 census records in TN. But they become WHITE after that!

[Bushtick]

I believe that both lines are Melungeon and/or Saponi Indian.
I have 3 of the Melungeon traits as do several of my siblings.
Both lines married into each other along with Gibsons, Bakers, Boatwrights/Boatrights, Hammonds and several other know Melungeon / Indian surnames. That and the locale of both lines lead me to that asumption.

[ponca]

Brenda Collins Dillon
I would like to tap into your 30 years of researching the Collins surname. My line goes back to Amos Collins, b oct.30, 1789 in Green Co. Tenn.. He married Muriel. They had 9 children among them was Benjamin Collins, b 1824, in Clay Co. Ky. I dont have much info going back from Amos. Can you please help.
Everett

[Bushtick]

On my Mullins line , supposed to be Blackfoot, there is marriages to Hubbards..... this line settled in VA also.

[coyote]

What are the mullegon traits you are talking about? ive never heard of this. Also does any of the collins here have any relitive around dyersburg tn, ? granpa had bros that lived in Miss but i dont know any of there names but one Henry he had long white hair and a long white beard. granpa died when i was 7 and im 46 now so i guess that would have made him born around early 19oo he wasnt old when he died maybe 50 at the most.I dont know anything about his family it would be nice to learn his mother and father name. his name was john mack collins.
Angie

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

My early Collins line dates back to Colonial Virginia, in the area known as the "Piedmont" . They are found among some of the early Native American tribes such as the Powhattan, Pumunkey's and the Saponi's. Some believe that they are all related tribes that were once a part of the mighty Powhattan confederency that greeted the Jamestown settlers in 1607 and over the years of intermarriage they became a mixed breed.

Early NC records show a group of people, to the south of Virginia , living in the mountains of what is today western North Carolina and eastern Tennessee. These people, unlike the Indians, lived in log cabins,spoke a form of english, and broke from their daily labors to pray in a way different from the indians. These people became known as the MELUNGEONS

What is a Melungeon?

http://www.geocities.com/mikenassau/what.htm

By the late 1600's Virginia had adopted several laws that made it difficult /impossible to live as a Indian or of mixed bloodlines. They were pushed south into territory that was called the frontier.

By the 1760's the Saponi had begun moving again, possibly in response to increasing pressure from neighboring Whites. The community began moving back to the area near the Eno river where they had once lived, settling in the northeast section of Alamance county and adjoining Orange county. This section became known as the "Little Texas" community.

The earliest census for Orange county, which included Alamance county until 1849, listed Charles and Jesse Whitmore as well as Jacob Jeffries as heads of households. Within a few years, the bulk of the Tribe had joined them. A few families moved further west to Ohio and Indiana following the Quakers and were identified at various times as being Catawba.

By the mid 1700's, the tribe had resettled in what is now Greensville and Brunswick counties on the Virginia/North Carolina border. Many of the tribesmen began to receive title to their ancestral lands, having acquired European names such as Jeffries, Whitmore, Stewart, Watkins, Guy, and Haithcock. This Saponi community was still noted as distinct as late as 1764 when they were reported by the Indian Superintendent of the South to have "60 gunmen" in combination with their neighbors the Nottoway. At that time, Lt. Governor Fauquier of Virginia reported that "tho' they dwell in peace in the midst of us, (the Saponi) lead in great measure the lives of wild Indians." As late as the year 1775 the author James Adair reported that the Saponi Nation was still living in southside Virginia. A few years later, several Saponi men fought on the American side of the Revolution. Charles Whitmore, Simon Jeffries, and William Guy were three of these Saponi soldiers.

Several families from Orange county moved in the 1820's to what became Macon county, North Carolina. They became the subject of an 1897 U.S. Senate Document which again identified them as being Catawba Indians. The bulk of the Saponi remained in the "Texas Community", forming an independent Indian settlement based on small scale farming. Indian Churches such as Martin's Chapel and Jeffries' Cross provided religious and social structure for the community. Schools like the Martin's School tended to the educational needs of tribal youth. Community activities such as church revivals, family reunions, and group labor parties served to keep the community members united. During the 1930's, Clayton Jeffries and others made contact with the Bureau of Indian Affairs to ask for assistance with their school and contacted other local Indian groups for support.

The NA Collins were ordered out of Orange Co. Va in the court case in 1742 where several Indians were arrested and brought before the court and charged with stealing hogs and burning the woods . These Indians moved across the border into Granville Co. NC which later became Orange Co. NC. In the beginning of the 1750's they lived on the Flatt River and it appears the head of the family was Thomas Collins who was the father of several sons, Thomas Jr 1728, Joseph 1730,Samuel 1732,John 1734,George 1736 and Elisha 1738. From these sons come the many descendants of today's Collins line. Thomas Collins Story

http://www.angelfire.com/wv2/dillon1944/old_thomas_collins_of_flatt_river.htm

It is my belief that many of these Collins moved to the south and mixed with the mysterious peoples called the Melungeons ,who later moved into the areas of Hancock and Hawkins Counties of Tennessee. The most common Melungeon was known as Vardy Collins who came from Ashe Co. NC and settled on Newman's Ridge in Hancock Co. Tn.

Vardy Collins, s/o Samuel Collins (above) was in Ashe Co. NC in 1800 listed as head of household with 4 other Free Persons of Color.Meaning 4 children. Vardy according to tax records was the son of Samuel Born 1734 was a Mulatto, taxable in Orange Co. NC,with 2 Black Titles( probably Vardy and Valentine "Vol" Collins) ( T&C Box 1 Archives Raleigh NC) Samuel was listed as the Head of Wilkes Co. ( area that became Ashe in 1790) 1 male 21-60 and 1 female 1787 state census. Valentine ( Vol) Collins listed in 1800 Ashe Co. NC census as Head with 6 other Free Persons of Color.

Shortly after Vardy settled on the Ridge another Collins joined him by the name of Solomon and the family grew. Over the years many Collins found their ways in and out of the Ridge,some staying and others drifting to newer territories not touched by the laws and prejustices that they had suffered in the past. In the new territories many took on a new life, hiding their identies, heritiage, customs, their very beings. Not speaking of the past to even their children ,who God forbid,might have a slip of the tounge and they would lose what they had fought so hard to hang onto.

This , I believe, is the case of my Meredith Collins family. I have no doubt Meredith Collins was somehow related to Vardy Collins, probably a first cousin. I also believe he was a mixture of NA/African American/ white ,possibly Melungeon. My Collins family were dark-skin toned, with black hair, some curly and others wavy. Most had dark eyes that ranged from a brown to black. They never owned land til they moved into Kentucky and those folks that married and lived in the surrounding area's were such names as Mullins, Johnsons, Newsome, Hall, Blankenship, Roberts, Robinson, and later when Meredith's son, William Collins settled and built a gristmill along the Tug Fork of the Big Sandy River they were surrounded by Clines, Trent, as well as the Hatfields & McCoys.

Here is an article written by a cousin, Frankie Collins Blackburn and myself and published by Applachian Quarterly out of Wise Co. Virginia. It is called "One More Mountain to Cross", The Collins Story

http://bj_dillon.tripod.com/one_more_mountain_to_cross.htm

[Bushtick]

Brenda,
Looking back on my post and after reading your last post, I realize I posted some mis information, just wasn't thinking right at the time, it is hard to keep my Mullins's and Collins's separate!
Anyway, it was Ashe Co. , NC census records with the FPC and it was Berry Collins s/o Riley Collins and Emaline McGinnis that married a Hammond's - Nancy Emily Hammond. Sorry......and as to Coyote's question about Melungeon traits: I have the bump at the base of my skull, ridges on the back of my four front upper teeth and also shovel teeth, and last be not least I have slight mottling ( white spots ) on my already fair skin. Two of my siblings have mottling also , one is fair like me and the other is olive skinned.
Again , sorry for my mistake.
Nancy

[Linda]

Brenda, that was a great summation of a good deal of the documentation on known Saponi families. I didn't know that James Adair noted the Saponi Nation in southside Virginia as late as 1775. That's very significant for my husband, since that means there's only a 25 year gap in documentation between the known tribe and mention of his ancestors known in the family to be Iindians in that locale.

[Linda]

Bushtick. I emailed you with contacting info for Cherokee Collins. It may be interesting to see what they have to say.

I can see why you think your family is Saponi. The Hammond and the Gibsons are names associated with the Saponi. Baker is a SE Indian family name, too.

Was it you who just mentioned the Mullins identified as Blackfoot? That's a Saponi associated name, too.

[Bushtick]

Yes, Linda it was me that mentioned the Mullins's family oral history as being Blackfoot Indian......my G Grandmother Nancy Mullins was supposed to be 1/2 to full blood according to oral history. Well, this has never made sense to me because Nancy Mullins married Jefferson Mullins her 1st cousin , both of these lines are from Riley Mullins and Elizabeth Ingles. However, Nancy's mother was a Dean . Nancy's line goes: Riley Mullins and Elizabeth Ingles, William "Bill" Mullins and Malinda/Melinda Dean and then Nancy. Jeff Mullins line goes: Riley Mullins and Elizabeth Ingles, Washington Mullins and Malinda Hubbard , and then Jefferson. Washington and William "Bill" were brothers. This is my family oral history , not research. Now, resent research has linked this line to Ambrose Mullins of Bold Camp, VA as being Riley's father. So it goes back to the 1700's however, there isn't any documentation to prove NA blood. But, isn't Dean an NA surname? And of course, it has almost been proven that this line is Melungeon!
I have a strong belief that my Grandmother Ellen Mullins Roberson would not have insisted that we were Blackfoot Indian if it wasn't so, I just can't come up with HOW! This line resided in SW VA , which wasn't a common NA area for any other tribe name than maybe Cherokee during her youth ( she was bron in 1910) and if I remember correctly she told us as children growing up that name was from blacking the soles of their moccasins with ashes, or even the soles of their bare feet.
Thanks for the connection to the Cherokee Collins and I will let you now what info I can obtain .
Nancy

[TuckahoePrincess]

I have many Mullins in my family line-- the farthest back I can trace is Richard Henry Mullins, born in 1824-- before that, I have no information... Its so frustrating that they're from the right area, I just can't trace 'em. Grrrr...

[Red Buffalo]

My David Collins Born about 1750 was in the 1790 census for Wilkes county N. C. but by 1800 they had disappeared and showed up in Grainger county Tenn. on a 1804 tax list. from there they moved to Knox County Kentucky, from there to Morgan County Indiana in 1822. By the early 1830's they were in Douglas, Howell ,Taney and Ozark counties in Missouri , they supposedly brought about twenty two or twenty three familys with them to Missouri. One of the Brothers branched off and went to Arkansas and settled there . Along that time the Bunch Family, Turnbull Family, Johnson Family, the Clintons , Woods, and several other Saponi Core name familys showed up in Missouri. My belief is they were trying to stay ahead of the settlers.
Red Buffalo

[Linda]

What are the core Saponi names in Missouri that you know of? They're not all the same as what we have here.

[Red Buffalo]

LINDA
Here is some of the core names you were interested in COLLINS, TURNBULL, CLINTON, DAVIS ,FREEMAN, JOHNSON, BUNCH, BIRD, JONES, JAMES, GOANS, HICKS, MARTIN,SMITH, WADE, WOOD, PARSONS, REED, RILEY,STUBBS,CHANEY?..
Red Buffalo

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

Red Buffalo,
This is another Collins I have been chasing. From what I have David 1750 was born in Grayson Co. Virginia. ( IF he was the son of John of Bertie Co. then there sould be a John living in that county at that time......my thoughts are that David 1750 was NOT his son but a grandson.....only my thoughts, no proof)

Here is what I do have: source Glenda Breakbill

David Collins, 1750, VA-1832, Morgan Co., IN
Married Thompsey Posting 01 October 1771, Rowan Co., NC
He had a brother named William Collins who died prior to 1830. William’s wife married is in Morgan Co., IN in 1830.
Children: In 1890, there are five sons and five daughters listed for David in Wilkes Co., NC. One son Hiram was born after this census.
By 1804, the family had moved to Grainger Co.,TN. About 1818 families moved into Knox Co., KY. In 1822, the families gradually moved into Morgan Co., IN where they are listed in 1830. Ages of the children and where they say they were born give approximation of moves of the families.
Known Children:
1. Aaron Collins, b. 1773 NC
m. Mary
2. David Collins, Jr. b. 1775 NC
m. Mary Dodson 06 Feb 1801, Granger Co., TN.
3. Levi Collins b. 1784 NC
m. Polly
4. Solomon Collins b. July 1786, Grayson Co. VA
d. Dec. 1882, Douglas Co., MO
m. Delilah Nichols 01 October 1812, Clairborne Co., TN.
Solomon served in the War of 1812 enlisting at Rogersville, in Hawkins Co., TN.

5. Isaiah Collins b. 1790 d. 11 Aug 1885, Ozark Co., MO & buried in
Parsons Cemetery,
m. Betsy Mason Dora, MO.
6. Hiram Collins b.1794
m. Rebecca
Hiram was a school teacher, and he remained in Morgan Co., IN after brothers and sisters moved to MO.

Known daughters:

1. Margaret “Peggy” Collins
m. Solomon Dodson 15 Feb 1802, TN
2. Eleanor “Nelly” Collins b. 1783 NC
m. John Bull or Turnbull


This David 1750 connects to my Meredith Collins line. I found proof in a Clay Co. Ky court case, however that is the only place so far that I have found the connection.

Meredith entered Captain James McDaniel's Fincastle Militia in 1776 at the age of 16 with a David,George and Lewis. These four Collins men are together durning the *1780's Montgomery Co. Va. Militia, again in *1797 Wilkes Co. NC where they lived on adjoining land of Vardy Collins. (It is possible that they could also be found on the *1793 Wythe Co. Va. tax list as I find George, David and Lewis plus a M. Collins which could very easily have been Meredith) I have wondered for years if the David he entered with in 1776 was actually David 1750.

If we can find somebody that lives in the area of Christianburg Va. and can do some digging in their Courthouse archives and library perhaps we might find a clue to some answers. I sent to Christianburg for the roster list of McDaniel's Company and the lady at the courthouse was really nice. She sent me two copies and only charged me 50 cents copy fee. She said they have a mildew proof valt in their basement that they store all the old records and documents.

A lady from DAR told me that the reason that McDaniel's Company has so little written about it could be because it was made up of all mixed bloods. I can post the roster if anybody is interested. Somebody might reconize some of the names.

[Red Buffalo]

Brenda
THANKS FOR POSTING THAT INFORMATION AS FOR HIRAM COLLINS 1794 HE MARRIED A REBECCA CRANK AND I WOULD LIKE TO READ THAT ROSTER IF YOU WOULD PRINT IT.

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

1 7 7 6
RevWar List of Captain James McDaniel’s Company


( I sent to Christianburg ,Va. for this record. I will try to the best of my ability to give you
the info from this old record however you must remember the old style handwriting is
difficult to read. The record appears to be 63 names and 20 names marked out by author)

Benjamin Stinnet
George Recees
John Long
Calop Coniway
Edward Williams
James Blueiens
William Tobian
Benjamin Sexton
Jonathan Blueiens
Burnell Spencer
John Mullens
Sammuwill( Samuel) Phijus
John Burton
Moses Peasley
James Islom
John Blueiens
Sammuwill Hunson
Patrick McBride
John Smith
Thomas Long
Joseph Zlover
James May
Jacob Williams
Martian Munay
James Slant
John Still
David Collins
James Dikes
Joseph Constom
Iuel Stomper
Daniel Blueiens
Will Blueiens
George Collins
Charles Cale
John Isom
William Mainar
Isian Stomper
James Cox
Calop May
Richard Cole
Jacob Stomper
David Smith
Meridia Collins
Lewis Collins
Robert Jones
Sammuwill----------
John--------
Jonar--------
Joseph----------Thomas Conston
William Duncan
John Murray

( The rest of the names are unreadable

David Collins, George Collins, Meridia Collins, Lewis Collins

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

Generation One


1. VARDEMON NAVARRH1 COLLINS; born 1764 at New River, Grayson County, Virginia; married Peggy Gibson.

He was also known as Vardy Collins. He settled in Blackwater Valley, Tennessee in 1797. In 1810 he had already acquired 100 acres of land, as listed for the Captain Looney Company, Puncheon Camp Valley (Pore Valley), along with Benjamin Colings, 90 acres; Hennery Collings, James Collings, 100 acres; John Denhan, Gerden (Jordan) Gibson, 100 acres; Yearby Gibson, Shepard Gibson, 50 acres; Charels Gibson, Tiry Gibson, 50 acres; Royal Gibson and Vallingtine (Valentine) Collins, 100 acres. The William Nichols list of 1812 includes Jesse Gibson 30 acres, and John Denhan, 30 acres.


Vardy Mineral Springs, operated by Vardemon Collins for many years and Vardy School, a Presbyterian Mission School, were both named for him. According to Court records of Wilkes County, North Carolina, Vardy Collins, born in 1764 in North Carolina, was involved in a lawsuit - Case 10, State vs Vardy Collins, as shown by Court Records of Wilkes County, of which Ashe County was a part at the time. In the same record, Case 11 was entitled, State vs Jordan Gibson.


Vardy Collins was said to be a full-blooded Indian. Probably half-blooded. His wife Margaret Gibson, was Spanish, probably full-blooded. Their descendents are mostly of dark skin, some with straight dark hair, though many have a wave in the hair, some have curly, even kinky hair. This may come from the Spanish or mixture of Irish.


Vardy and Peggy came in from North Carolina from near Red River, or crossed the Red River. They took practically all the land from the Virginia State Line to Mulberry Gap, between Newmans Ridge and Powell Mountain.

I have two different sets of fathers for Vardy.

1)Vardy was the son of James Navarrh H. Collins (he was called Henry), born in 1699 in Virginia. Henry was the son of Henry Collins, the indentured servant of Thomas Wood. He is listed in the Court Book of the Virginia Company dated 15 December 1619 and 23 June 1620. See Manchester Papers #241, Public Records Office, London, England, List of Records #58.


Where they got the money for this much land we do not know. Possibly it was a grant for some Military service, though he is not listed as a pensioner or having been in any military outfits under the name of Vardy. Some sources said his name was Henry Navarrh Collins, and that later it was changed to Vardimon or Vardy. Possibly Peggy came from a rich family and had the money before they moved here. Or it is possible that Vardy came from a rich family, or was in business and made it before he came to Tennessee. Vardy built a big double log house near the Vardy Springs. It was counted as one of the biggest houses in the county at the time. It is rumored that travellers stopped to stay over night there and were never heard from again. From the nature of the case we can not be sure of the truth of these traditions. Perhaps it is better to think that he came by his money in honest ways, and freely practiced the open and free hospitality of the backwoods and the mountains, and likely being a man of force and resolute habit, he likely was envied by those who were less successful, and suspected where there was but little truth or little cause for it.

2)Vardy Collins was in Ashe Co. NC in 1800 listed as head of household with 4 other Free Persons of Color.Meaning 4 children. Vardy according to tax records was the son of Samuel Born 1734 was a Mulatto, taxable in Orange Co. NC,with 2 Black Titles( probably Vardy and Valentine "Vol" Collins) ( T&C Box 1 Archives Raleigh NC) Samuel was listed as the Head of Wilkes Co. ( area that became Ashe in 1790) 1 male 21-60 and 1 female 1787 state census. Valentine ( Vol) Collins listed in 1800 Ashe Co. NC census as Head with 6 other Free Persons of Color.

Samuel is believed to be the son of Old Thomas Collins .Other Collins men who were associated with Thomas Collins Sr. in New Kent, later Louisa County, Va. were probably his BROTHERS. They were Samuel Collins, John Collins and William Collins.

25 Jan 1745 Louisa County, Virginia Court: William Hall, Samuel Collins, William Collins, Samuel Bunch, George Gibson, Benjamin Brannum, Thomas Gibson, & William Donothan appear to answer an indictment for concealing tithables. Plead not guilty, Case continued. (Louisa County, Va., Tithables and Census)


The following source Melungeon families lived in the same area of Virginia around 1730. John Bunch, Gilbert Gibson, Thomas Gibson and Thomas Collins. They begin selling their land in Louisa County. VA in 1747 and migrated to the Flatt River area of then Granville County, North Carolina this area became Orange County in 1753. 1747 Thomas Collins sells 184 acres of land on the south side of the Pamunkey River on Turkey Run Creek to John Dowell for 25 Ibs. (Louisa County, Va. ref..in Melungeons and Other Pioneer Families)

Thomas Collins Sr. b 1710 , probable children were; Thomas Jr. b 1728, Joseph b 1730, Samuel b 1732, John b 1734, George b 1736, Elisha b 1738. They settled on the Flatt River as the following records reveal.

"Land Grants from the Earl of Granville to the earliest settlers, The Granville Dist. Of N.C. 1748-1763 Vols 2 & 4 by Hofman." 29 Oct 1751 -Grant to William Churton, 640 acres on the south side of Flatt River joining John Collins on the Rocky Branch. Grant is for warrant issued to Thomas Gibson (#3775) 1752. 250 acres to Thomas Gibson on the Flatt River. 28 Oct 1752 640 acres to Joseph Collins on the South West side of the Flatt River Witness- Thomas Collins and James Lilkemper.

The Flatt River lies in what is Person's Co. today.

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

Wilkes County, NC was created from Surry in 1778. Ashe County NC was created from Wilkes in 1799. The records of Wilkes County show those people who were in Ashe County, but the records of Surry County do not show those who were in Wilkes County waiting for a county to be created. The following record pertaining to the COLLINS family found are presented as they appear in the records. NO additional information was given other than is listed in this report.

WILKES LAND ENTRY BOOK ( 1778-1781 ) These are by number and are very brief descriptions of the entry. Many times the people who entered the land never obtained a grant from the State of NC for said land,But at the time it was entered they are believed to have been in the area.

#700-2 Jan 1779 Wm Lenoir ent,400ac both sides Rocky Creek below CHARLES COLLINS' old waste cabin.

#703-2 Jan 1779 Benja.Cleveland ent 200 ac S side S fork New River incl.improvements that Reubin Stringer and SAMUEL COLLINS now lives

#737-2 Jan 1779 Benj. Herndon ent 600 ac on Dogg Creek,water of New River including two old cabins formerly belonging to GEORGE COLLINS.

#1012- 9 June 1779- John Livingston ent 140 ac head waters Beaver Creek adjoining Thomas land & THOMAS COLLINS

WILKES lAND ENTRIES FOUND IN PRIVATE PAPERS OF WILLIAM LENOIR IN UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA LIBRARY, CHAPEL HILL,NC (1785-1799 )

#290 -9July1791 GEORGE COLLINS ent 50 ac waters of New River

#353 -9 July 1791 ELISHA COLLINS ent 50 ac upper end Turtle Shoals,S fork New River including improvements where said COLLINS lives.

#369-0 July 1791 JOSHUA COLLINS ent 50 ac waters of Cramberry Creek

#371 - 9 July 1791- LEWIS COLLINS ent 50 ac mouth Fall branch E side S fork, New River

#379-9 July 1791 DAVID COLLINS ent 100 ac Elk Creek adjoining Wm Hill

WILKES COUNTY DEED BOOK (1778-1815 ) A-1,B-1,C-1,D-1,F-1,& G-H

DB B-1,p 120-4 March 1786 AMBROSE COLLINS was a witness to a deed for land N side S fork New River, mouth Nathans Creek.

DB D ,p. 42- 20 Dec 1791 George Reves was granted by N.C. 600 ac New River adj.conditional line made between said Reeves and DAVID COLLINS. ( on the 28th of Jan 1797 George Reeves of Grayson County sold this land , same description mentioning the same DAVID COLLINS

DB D, p329 4 April 1798 THOMAS COLLINS bought for 15 pds , 70 ac of land S. side New River

DB D , p 412 27 Dec 1797- N.C. granted GRIFFIN COLLINS 50 ac branch Elk Creek

DB D p 412 27 Dec 1797- N.C. granted DAVID COLLINS 50 ac adj Wm Hill

DB D, p 750 13 Dec 1796 N.C. granted VARDY COLLINS 100 ac S side S fork New River

ASHE COUNTY DEEDS ( from index on microfilm only have DB A& B in collection)

DB A......p. 4 13 Dec 1798 NC granted ELISHA COLLINS 50 ac in Wilkes Co NC, N side S fork New River ( warrent dated 3 June 1798)

DB A.....p 174 26 March 1800 GRIFFIN COLLINS ,ASHE COUNTY to Moses Smith of Grayson Co. Va. 30 pds 50 ac N fork Elk Creek. Griffith X Collins (his mark) Wit: Elisha Williams, John McMillion, Wm X Perry ( his mark)

DB A,,,,p 399 12 Dec 1802 N.C. granted ELISHA COLLINS 150 ac Laurel Fork of New River adj Stephen Reed

DB A....p 434 12 May 1802 ELISHA COLLINS , Ashe Co. to Mathias Carpenter 20 pds 150 ac Laurel Fork of New River s/ Elisha Collins Wit: Elisha Baldwin, Jonathan X Miller(his mark)

DB B p. 68 29 Nov 1802 NC granted THOMAS COLLINS 200 ac Laurel Fork Elk Creek

DB B...p. 69 17 Dec 1802 NC granted AMBROSE COLLINS 200 ac Three Top MTdrean N fork New River adj Stephen Reed

DB B ...p. 258 14 Mar 1803 ELISHA COLLINS to Wm Mc Gaha 50 pds for 50 ac S fork New River...............s/ Elisha Collins

DB B p, 466 29 Nov 1803 NC granted GRIFFITH COLLINS 150 ac in Ashe Co. adj the Virginia line, adj William Perrie

DB C , p. 51 NC to ABRAHAM COLLINS DB C, p . 137 NC to ELISHA COLLINS DB D , P. 11 Jousha Cox to AMBROSE COLLINS DB D, p. 71 William Richardson to THOMAS COLLINS DB D, p. 391 Elijah Estep to JAMES COLLINS DB T, p. 126 ROBERT COLLINS tp Solomon Spence DB T p. 352 Henry Davis to JOHN COLLINS DB V p. 284 Deed of Trust -THOMAS COLLINS to Richard Gentry

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WILKES COUNTY N.C. TAXABLES 1782 from N.C. archives; 1784-1788 from Wm Lenoir family records ( University of NC Library, Chaple Hill , NC ( Collens/Collins)

1782-Samuel Johnson's District ( this was in the NE part of Wilkes Co. which in 1858 became Allehany Co, when Alleghany was taken from Ashe) SAMUEL COLLINS listed 100 ac land, 3 horses, and 6 heads of cattle.

1784 Hall's District #4 ( being in the part of Ashe that became Allehany i n 1858 GEORGE COLLINS..........no land 1 poll tax SAMUEL COLLINS........no land 1 poll tax AMBROSE COLLINS.....bo land 1 poll tax

1786 Hall's district #4 1787 " GEORGE COLLINS.............no land...1 poll AMBROSE COLLINS........no land...1 poll SAMUEL COLLINS...........no land...1 poll

1788 Hall's District #4 GEORGE COLLINS..................no land 1 poll AMBROSE COLLINS ............no land 1 poll VOLENTINE COLLINS..........no land 1 poll ( first time appeared indicating he had just turned 21 yrs) MARTIN COLLINS...............no land. 1 poll

1789 Hall's District#4 SAMUEL COLLINS.............100 ac o polls ( probably reachedage of 21) VOLENTINE COLLINS.........no land...1 poll BENJAMIN COLLINS..........no land...1 poll

1790 Hall's District #4 AMBROSE COLLINS............... no land...1 poll VOLENTINE COLLINS.............no land ...1 poll

BUNYARD DISTRICT #14 ( This district was adj to Hall's. DO NO KNOW if it fell into Alleghany in 1858 or remained in Ashe County) ELISHA COLLINS.................. no land...1 poll

1791 Hall's district #4 VOLENTINE COLLINS............no land...1 poll

1792 Hall's District #4 GEORGE COLLINS....................no land...1 poll

Bunyard district #13 VOLENTINE COLLINS..............no land ...1 poll VARDY COLLINS......................no land....1 poll

1793 Bunyard District #13 VOLENTINE COLLINS..............no land.....1 poll ELISHA COLLINS......................50 ac.........1 poll VARDY COLLINS......................no land ....1 poll LEWIS COLLINS.......................no land.....1 poll

1794 Bunyard District #13 VOLENTINE COLLINS...................no land....1 poll ELISHA COLLINS..........................50ac..........1 poll VARDY COLLINS..........................50 ac.........1 poll

1795 Bunyard District #13 VIRDIE COLLINS...........................no land.... 1 poll LEWIS COLLINS...........................no land.....1 poll

:)1796 Bunyard District #13 VARDIE COLLINS......................100 ac..........1 poll MERIDIA COLLINS....................no land........1 poll LEWIS COLLINS.......................no land.........1 poll Hall's district #4 DAVIDCOLLINS.......................100ac.......... ..1 poll VALENTINE COLLINS.............no land........1 poll GRIFFIN COLLINS....................no land........1 poll:)

1797 Bunyard District #13 VARDIE COLLINS.....................no land........1 poll VOLENTINE COLLINS..............no land........1 poll AARON COLLINS.....................no land........1 poll Hall's ( Toliver) District #4 THOMAS COLLINS.................70 ac.............1 poll

1799 District #13 is missing

1790 FEDERAL CENSUS ( 1st in USA) 10th company that became Ashe 1799 AMBROSE COLLINS..........1m ov 16, 1m und 16, 2 f GEORGE COLLINS..............1 m ov 16, 3 m und 16, 3 f DAVID COLLINS................3m ov 16, 2 m und 16, 6 f HARDY COLLINS..............1m ov 16, 1 m und 16, 4 f VOL COLLINS....................1m ov 16, 2 f MARTIN COLLINS...........1m ov 16, 3 m und 16, 4 f

1800 FEDERAL CENSUS was the first census for Ashe NC. You will note that the Collins who appearently still lived in the area do not have enumertions as to the number in household, but their names are listed. The 1810 census explains why. AMBROSE COLLINS 0 0 0 0 0 0 males 0 0 0 0 0 females VARDY COLLINS 0 0 0 0 0 0 males 0 0 0 0 0 females VOL COLLINS 0 0 0 0 0 0 males 0 0 0 0 0 females THOMAS COLLINS 0 0 0 0 0 0 males 0 0 0 0 0 females

1810 ASHE COUNTY, N.C. FEDERAL CENSUS ( In ashe co the census taker used initials of the first name of the people on this census) E COLLINS................3m 0-10, 1 m 16-26, 1 f 10-16, 1 f 26-45, 1 f over 45 A COLLINS...............1m 0-10, 1 m ov 45, 2 f 0-10, 3 f 10-16, 1 f 26-45 J COLLINS................1 M 16-26, 2 F 10-10, 1 F 16-45 T COLLINS..............4 m 0-10, 1 m 26-45, 1 f 26-45

1820 ASHE COUNTY n.c. fEDERAL CENSUS ELISHA COLLINS...............FREE PERSON OF COLOR THOMAS COLLINS............FREE PERSON OF COLOR

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THERE ARE NO MARRIAGES IN WILKES COUNTY FOR ANY OF THESE EARLY COLLINS.

ASHE COUNTY MARRIAGES HAVE BEEN LOST FROM 1799 THROUGH 1816

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WILKES COUNTY COURT MINUTES

29 April 1788 AMBROSE COLLINS member of road jury to view road through lands of Thomas Dickinson on New River.

23 July1790 AMBROSE COLLINS VS Thomas Dickinson

24 Jan 1791 Deed from David Smith to Levon Cole 100 ac proven by oath AMBROSE COLLINS

26 Jan 1791 Road jury ordered to view road from James Bakers down to Old Muster Ground; report they have turned same from Sandy Island Fork through Low Gap to Alexander Smith's; thence down bank of river to VARDIE COLLINS; thence cross in the river to William Hall's

27 April 1791 AMBROSE COLLINS VS Thomas Dickinson ( does not give why)

[Red Buffalo]

BRENDA
I WAS WRONG ON REBECCA CRANK BEING THE WIFE OF HIRAM COLLINS, SHE WAS THE GRAND DAUGHTER. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

[Linda]

Thanks for that list of MO names. A lot of them are different. Interesting to see the Parsons name on there. There's a mystery in our family documentation. A will from Ohio in which two daughters were not left anything "for reasons they well know." One of them married a man named Munford, the other married a man named Parsons. I've wondered if these daughters had failed to marry men who "passed." Something I want to look into someday.

[Sunnj]

I was born and raised in Lee County, Va and listened to family stories for 50 years. Never did we hear about the Collins from Hawkins County, Tn being anything other than they moved back and forth. I have tried to research my family line of Mormon Lawson and Elva (Elvira) Collins, Hawkins Cty, Tn, married (?) 1803 in Lee Cty, then returned back to Hawkins Cty abt 1850. I do not know anything about Elva. She had to have family somewhere. Can anyone help with this search. Another researcher on another board suggested here after I described my ancestors. I had heard of Newman's Ridge and Melungeon's but never considered another option. I am so glad to be able to post this query to someone who may know the answer's that have never been answered. Email addy is sunnjammers@alltel.net

[Red Buffalo]

Sunnj
There is a Elvira Collins , daughter of John Collins showing up in Indiana as Elvira Lawson and is married twice in Indiana, this could be your Elvira died in1878 . hope this is some help

[Tammy]

Hi! I am hoping someone might be able to help me with some family information.

My great grandmother was Margaret Collins. She married 1st Henry Lucas 2nd Amos Stratton.
My grandfather said that Margaret (his mother) was Blackfoot Indian. She died when I was 8, but I remember her so vividly. She was such a small little lady, long dark black hair and dark skin. A very beautiful lady.

What I am wanting to know is information on her parents William Collins and Catherine Gibson from Wise County Virginia. This is as far as I can get on this lineage. My grandfather is 79 and when I find out new things, I try to relay them to him. His father died when he was 3 in 1931 and his mother died in 1978, so we are lost on trying to find the correct information.
Thanks!

[mdfreels]

I have Collins family in my line, but no conclusive proof that they are connected to any of the Collins who are Saponi or Melungeon. In fact, a distant cousin did DNA testing and through the males he found no indian heritage. Yet, my great grandmother said we were both Cherokee and Blackfoot. I have discovered a Cherokee line (one of many in my family), but have yet to discover where the Blackfoot actually came in. If not in the male Collins, then it must be through a female line.

Mike

[Tom]

Since many of the families here have shared a somewhat "materilineal focus" of thier families and we have theorized that this has given us the name "Blackfoot Cherokee" I'd bet that the same may ring true for your family aswell.

[sammarroq]

I have Collins family in my line, but no conclusive proof that they are connected to any of the Collins who are Saponi or Melungeon. In fact, a distant cousin did DNA testing and through the males he found no indian heritage. Yet, my great grandmother said we were both Cherokee and Blackfoot. I have discovered a Cherokee line (one of many in my family), but have yet to discover where the Blackfoot actually came in. If not in the male Collins, then it must be through a female line.

Mike


Mike,

I have found the same to be true with my Gibson line...Y DNA of my line shows R1b1, which is prominent in many parts of Europe. Which means that the Saponi influence in this Gibson line too, was Matrilineal.

From Wikipedia:In human genetics, Haplogroup R1b (M343) (previously called Hg1 and Eu18) is the most frequent Y-chromosome haplogroup in Europe.

Its frequency is highest in Western Europe (and due to European emigration, in North America, South America, and Australia). In southern England, the frequency of R1b is about 70%, and in parts of Spain, Portugal, France, Wales, and Ireland, the frequency of R1b is greater than 90%. Bryan Sykes in his book Blood of the Isles gives the populations associated with R1b the name of Oisín for a clan patriarch, much as he did for mitochondrial haplogroups in his work The Seven Daughters of Eve.

Specifically R1B1 from Wikipedia:

Populations characterised as R1b1a (M18) and R1b1b (M73) with those mutually exclusive distinctive markers but no M269 have been found, in Sardinia, and in central Asia, respectively. It is presumed that these are descendants of R1b1 populations which found other refuges from the ice.

An apparent R1b1* population has been found among the Ouldeme of Northern Cameroon in west central Africa. [5] [6]

Here is the link if you would like to read its entirety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_%28Y-DNA%29

Shirley

[Linda]

Don't the male-line tests and the female-line tests only show you information on the pure female, or pure male line, leaving out a huge number of your ancestors along the way, as you get back a few generations.

[sammarroq]

Don't the male-line tests and the female-line tests only show you information on the pure female, or pure male line, leaving out a huge number of your ancestors along the way, as you get back a few generations.


Yes, that is true the Y tests the male line and only males can be tested (ex: son, father, grandfather, g, gg and so on). The mtdna tests female lines (daughter, mother, grandmother, g and so on); both male and female may use the mtdna, but the lines (male to female and so on) cannot cross. This is why these tests are not so good in determining ancestry, because as many of us here know, these lines of native ancestry can zig zag back and forth many times, and this will not show up on these tests. Phew! I hope you all understand what I just wrote.:eek:

Just a note, I learned from experience on this testing...I did the mtdna (before I understood how it worked) and found what I already had documented...my mother's line. Oh well, I chalked it up to experience, or inexperience:o .

So what I gather from this Gibson DNA R1bi is that it goes way back...Blondeyelaurie helped me grasp the jist of it, thanks Laurie.:)

[beeleaf]

The NA Collins were ordered out of Orange Co. Va in the court case in 1742 where several Indians were arrested and brought before the court and charged with stealing hogs and burning the woods . These Indians moved across the border into Granville Co. NC which later became Orange Co. NC. In the beginning of the 1750's they lived on the Flatt River and it appears the head of the family was Thomas Collins who was the father of several sons, Thomas Jr 1728, Joseph 1730,Samuel 1732,John 1734,George 1736 and Elisha 1738. From these sons come the many descendants of today's Collins line. Thomas Collins Story

http://www.angelfire.com/wv2/dillon1944/old_thomas_collins_of_flatt_river.htm


I'd like to revisit this thread & try to digest more of the info. The part I quoted contains something that has always puzzled me. Orange County, VA is a long way from Granville and/or Orange Co., NC. Forgive me if I'm missing the obvious, but I wonder why they picked that area?

I'm trying to figure the path my Collins line took. They were in Pittsylvania Co. VA in 1767, then Patrick/Henry Co VA & Stokes Co. NC (border area). In the following link, there is evidence that Saponi lived in or near those counties long before that first tax list. So my pondering is about whether they ever migrated, and if so, from which direction...

I suspect that they at least had contact with the other lines, as the naming patterns are almost identical.

[beeleaf]

I should probably add that my line is Edward "Ned" Collins (brother of Patrick Co. Elisha). Their father is said to be William. Don't know for sure what William's father's name was, but there was also a Daniel and an Elijah in the same area. A Daniel was in Pittsylvania Co before Henry & Patrick Co existed, along with Thomas (x2). Also a James "Colley".

Note: This Elisha and this Ned were both married to women named Hannah. Both of these wives died in Patrick County, VA. (1854 & 1875). Have not found death records for Ned or Elisha yet, but I did find some of the James (son of Jesse) and Annice Collins line. I know I saw them mentioned somewhere..maybe in Brenda's work?

[sammarroq]

I should probably add that my line is Edward "Ned" Collins (brother of Patrick Co. Elisha). Their father is said to be William. Don't know for sure what William's father's name was, but there was also a Daniel and an Elijah in the same area. A Daniel was in Pittsylvania Co before Henry & Patrick Co existed, along with Thomas (x2). Also a James "Colley".

Note: This Elisha and this Ned were both married to women named Hannah. Both of these wives died in Patrick County, VA. (1854 & 1875). Have not found death records for Ned or Elisha yet, but I did find some of the James (son of Jesse) and Annice Collins line. I know I saw them mentioned somewhere..maybe in Brenda's work?

Hi Bee,

We are on the road, so just a few lines before I call it a night...When it comes to Collins, Blondeyelaurie is a good person to talk to.:) I have too wondered why this group travelled as they did...mine seem to have stayed by the river. I have also wondered how my Martin Gibson and Valentine Collins came together as Martin seems to have left NC and before Valentine, but somehow they both ended up in Floyd/Pike Cos. KY.

A note on the Colley's...there is I believe a Colley, VA, which is pretty close to Grundy. The name has some history in Buchanan County, VA. You may want to check it out.

Shirley

[beeleaf]

Thanks, Shirley. Ever wonder about some of these familiar names being used as first names? For example, I remember seeing Gibson and even Granville used as first names with Collins and/or Mullins surname. Think it may be one (of many) reasons I stay so confused. ;~)

Have a wonderful, safe drive. See ya soon.

Bee

[sammarroq]

Thanks, Shirley. Ever wonder about some of these familiar names being used as first names? For example, I remember seeing Gibson and even Granville used as first names with Collins and/or Mullins surname. Think it may be one (of many) reasons I stay so confused. ;~)

Have a wonderful, safe drive. See ya soon.

Bee

Yes, they seemed to have names that were relevent for the time, place and community. Thank you and we will see you soon!

Shirley

[nikki2861]

I'm An African American Female I've Been Searching For Information Concerning My Great Grand Father David/dave Collins I Know He Was Half Black/indian Originaly From Some Part Of Virginia But Later He Moved To Mississippi. I Was Wondering If Anyone Can Help Me That Have Any Black Bloodlines With The Collins Family.

Thanks
Nicole

[knoxwanda]

Hi, What are some of the melungen traits:confused: .My Collins side came from Amos or John, I don't know.

[sammarroq]

Hi, What are some of the melungen traits:confused: .My Collins side came from Amos or John, I don't know.

I think I know what you are talking about, but I want to put my two cents in about the term, "melungeon." This was an offensive term used to coin a group of mixed-blood families, the more I read...the less I like the term and all associated with it. If you are refering to the particular familes that were abased by this term, well, they were mixed bloods.

My gggrandmother was a Gibson, had sharp features, dark eyes...I look much like her, but got tall and lanky genes from the Baldwin and shortridge side.

I have read about the shovel teeth...don't have em' I have some pretty ferocious "eye teeth," though. As for the "Anatolian bump," don't have that either...the back of my head is so flat I can't wear head bands, because they slide right up the back of my head...lol

I don't think there is a recipe for melungeon traits or mixed-blood traits...because we are just that, "mixed-bloods," which means the combinations are endless.

I probably haven't answered your question, but it seemed like a good platform to vent my "melungeon" frustrations. Blessings,

Shirley

[Dreaminghawk]

Shirley, I think you stated it quite well. Vent away ;-)
It's like many other terms that start out very specific then are broadened almost to the point of being meaningless. It is growing to carry the same meaning as "metis" meaning simply "mixed".

[Steve-o]

There are NO Melungeon traits!!!

Shovel teeth has been debunked, Anatolian bump debunked (everyone has a bump at the base of their skull where it meets the spinal column), Strange blood illnesses are debunked (my wife is an RN & I can break out Tabor's Medical Dictionary to prove it is all a farce), extra digits have nothing to do with race, etc., etc., etc.

Even all the names associated as being Melungeon...look up Adkins for example, mine are listed quite a bit. NOT Melungeon. Most of the names have nothing to do with Melungeon, which as sammarroq has said is just a word for mixed race. Native American, White, African American. Not Turks, Moors, or Aliens from the planet Cyborg. Carmelites were not Melungeon either, they were mixed Native American, African American, and White.

Kennedy was a theorist who believed whatever came to mind. Sold alot of books to people craving to be something...anything because they have no idea who they are or where they came from. Alot of others followed suit and wrote books for these folks to grasp onto based on theories and not facts. It sells, so why change the formula?

I still find it hilarious that those of us from the Carmel area of Ohio, or those of us around the area, are "shushed" when we open our mouths about the truth of what is really going on. The reason they try and shut our mouths is because it doesn't fit into their grand fantasies and theories, so they can't sell their garbage to those who don't know better...if they find out the truth and "know better."

I could write a book on all the truth myself just on this posting. But you can search my previous postings for that. Educate yourself about these people because it is all a con job.

[BlondeyeLaurie]

Hey Steve....I know we must be cousins somehow...can you refresh me/scoop me please? My maternal family were Carmelites as well...have cousins still residing there and about. My most prominent surnames from that area are: Nichols, Gibson, Cole, Collins, Perkins... thanks much in advance for a reply....perhaps you have a tree posted somewhere online? Take care~~~Laurie

[sammarroq]

Good to see you posting again Laurie:)

Shirley

[Steve-o]

Henry Gibson & daughter Nancy Gibson from around Beaver Pa.

[BlondeyeLaurie]

I'm not familiar with a Henry from PA....although there are numerous Henry's in my tree and Nancy's too for that matter. I know that Bryson Gibson had a brother Henry but have not been able to follow his line successfully. Were your Gibson's ever in VA or KY or TN? When as a group did they come to OH? Do you know if they MD into any of my/our Nichols/Gibson lines? Thanks for the mention/post. ~~~~~ Laurie

[techteach]

Steve:

Any details on those Gibsons other than location or surname? I have a ggggrandmother, surname McLane, who comes from Beaver, PA, born circa 1814. No parents but allegedly full-blood.

Techteach

[jodyblonde]

I am a descendant of Rebecca Collins who married Stephen Carpenter. Rebecca born in 1745 I have her as a child of John Collins with his spouse unknown. I have found along with the research listing Rebecca's father as John Collins, several other children listed as John's children with the Sprague last name. Here is how I found it listed; 1. Leah Sprague b. 14 NOV 1738, 2. Bethia Sprague b. 14 FEB 1739, 3. Tamar Sprague b. 9 DEC 1741, 4. Rebecca Collins b. 1745 in VA, 5. Amos Sprague b. 20 JUN 1747, 6. Moses Sprague b. 25 MAY 1749, 7. Rachael Sprague b. 5 FEB 1751, 8. David Sprague b. 14 MAY 1754.

If anyone has info on this John Collins please let me know.