cole,collins,anderson,wadkins/watkins,musgrove

[walkswithwolves]

hi everyone, great site.
thought i might find some link to my family. john cole born abt. 1760 in buncomb,nc..married cuzzie anderson b. abt.1760 in NC...
dont have notes in front of me so i will have to get back with need info...

[Linda]

My husband has Coles in his family. That's in Mecklenberg County, VA. We can see from the family photo album that that's a Native line in the family. I believe we found the name written as Cole on occasion.

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

What COLLINS line do you research?Mine comes from Colonial Virginia, touches base in North Carolina, migerated to SE Virginia, then over into Kentucky before ending up in the mountains of West Virginia. They were a mixed blodline probably white/indian/black.
Some COLLINS from this line went north to Michigan, some went to Missouri, and others went west to Lewis County,Washington. Mine still live high in the mountains of WV. They were called "Hillbillies" by most folks.


------------------
Life is a Rainbow made up of Many Different Colors.....

[redfox]

forgot some cousins brenda! http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/smile.gif From mo some of our collins went to arizona to california to washington some des are in alaska. These were the ones that worked in the fields.

[redfox]

forgot some cousins brenda! http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/smile.gif From mo some went to arizona to california to washington some des are in alaska. These were the ones that worked in the fields.almost forgot some are in texas, idaho http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/frown.gif
may have to rechange this post as i find more relatives he he.

[walkswithwolves]

hello..my collins line is biddy collins married william cole abt.1820. biddy is the daughter of valentine collins and dicy?

[walkswithwolves]

hello..my collins line is biddy collins married william cole abt.1820. biddy is the daughter of valentine collins and dicy?
it seems we started in buncome,nc to lee co.virgina to breathitt,ky to muskogee,ok to oh,nm,texas ca.

[Linda]

We just got a written statement from a 90 year old Tucker from Mecklenberg Co., VA stating that his family is Indian decended and so were the Coles in my husband's family. He said he knew my husband's great great grandfather David Coles and that he was known for killing a turtle and eating its heart raw for courage and stamina. He also stated that many of the families in that vicinity were very Indian blooded people.

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

The information below is some notes I have on this line. Samuel was a son of Old Thomas Collins of the Flatt River, believed to be full blood Indian,( possibly Saponi). According to Jack Goins, these were Samuel's children but in those days they had huge families so I believe there are more unlisted. Floyd County Ky census 1820 has several Collins listed and Valentine is there with my Meredith and Meredith's son Bradley Collins. Valentine lived near Meredith in Floyd County,later it became Pike County Kentucky. Both families intermarried with the Roberts families. I have several files on ROBERTS Lines. Both men are of age to have been brothers.

Samuel Collins m. ? in NC
**Children
Valentine
Vardy
Ambrouse
George
Thomas

Valentine m. Pricy ?
**Child
Joshua Collins b. 1805 Tenn d.Feb 1, 1854 KY
m. Elizabeth Dale
**Children
William b. 1828 m. Levisa Ratliff
Elijah b. 1831 m. Nancy J. Ratliff
Elisha b.1833
Lydia b. 1837 m. George W. Collins
Allen Collins m. Phoebe Collins
Cynthia Collins b. 1841
Elizabeth Collins b. 1841 Floyd Co. Ky



------------------
Life is a Rainbow made up of Many Different Colors.....

[screamingeagle]

well i guess having collins ancestry makes qualifies one to be a virginia cousin doesn't it?we have been finding more collins family in the tidewater,william and james collins and other collins we found in1860 census others in 1850,dont really know for sure what indian they were claiming.we have also a married in line of collins as well.there is a pamunkey collins line today but if you read pocahontas people by roundtree collins were living on pamunkey rez but left because of goverment pressure as they were not considered pamunkey.maybe saponi?since so many tribes claim collins even cherokees these people got around. anybody got some good speculations?i need more to ponder on. have a great day!!!

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

screamingeagle,

If you really want to add to the confusion here is some Collins reading......
"One More Mountain to Cross"
http://bj_dillon.tripod.com/one_more_mountain_to_cross.htm

This article was published in the Wise Co. Va. Appalachian Quarterly. The article was written by By Frankie Blackburn with Brenda Collins Dillon, Joyce Lea Kollenberg, Cynthia Jane Steeley, and additional sources provided by John Trulinger.

The following will be a compilation of the work of several researchers who, record by record, will try to piece together the history of the Collins family of Appalachia. This family cannot simply be traced to the “immigrant” ancestor, as some families can. There are many questions yet unanswered.

The names of many Collins men; Lewis, David, Thomas, Vardy, Valentine, Meredith, Elisha, Ambrose, George, Joseph, John Sr., John Jr., Joshua, George and Griffin Collins have appeared in many documents; tax lists, census records, deeds, land transactions, court cases and so on, in the states of North Carolina, Virginia and Tennessee for many years. They crossed many mountains and flat boated down many streams. The trail is not definitely marked, and has many crooks and bends, much like the mountain streams they lingered near. To find our heritage is a mountain in itself.. Yes, they have left us.. one more mountain to cross.
<------------------------------>



------------------
Life is a Rainbow made up of Many Different Colors.....

[screamingeagle]

brenda,thanks for the site it keeps the story going after va,nc,etc.another little tidbit which i believe was in the roundtree book if im not mistaken,the collins family took on this name from a white family in va.thats all i know.will check to see what else i can find on that.my gut tells me these are the same people,seems most are saponi.boy i wish i had a time portal!! have a great day!!!!

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

On the subject of the COLLINS name......
According to researchers on the Melungeons, Collins and Shepherd were living in Virginia as friendly Indians and stole the name from them.

1742 Orange Co. Court case there was a John Collins listed as one of the Saponi Indians.


"Alexander Machartoon, John Bowling, Manincassa, Capt Tom, Isaac, Harry, blind tom, Foolish Jack, Charles Griffin, John Collins, Little Jack, Indians being bought before the court for stealing Hogs. , Ordered that their Guns be taken away from them till they are ready to depart of this county, they having declared their intentions to depart this colony within a week.".11 On pages 309-312 of Orange County Court Record book the above named men individually put up security.11"

I also have some copied material I believe was sent to my by Linda and there was a "COMMISSIONER of INDIAN AFFAIRS who was named John Collins. He was also used as an interperter. In most cases interperters were some degree of Indian or they were married to an Indian woman.

It is only speculation but I have always believed that the 26 Saponi's in 1742 court case that were ordered to leave the county were later the same men living in Granville Co. along the Flatt River.

Thomas Collins Sr. b 1710 , probable children were; Thomas Jr. b 1728, Joseph b 1730, Samuel b 1732, John b 1734, George b 1736, Elisha b 1738. They settled on the Flatt River as the following records reveal.

"Land Grants from the Earl of Granville to the earliest settlers, The Granville Dist. Of N.C. 1748-1763 Vols 2 & 4 by Hofman." 29 Oct 1751 -Grant to William Churton, 640 acres on the south side of Flatt River joining John Collins on the Rocky Branch. Grant is for warrant issued to Thomas Gibson (#3775) 1752. 250 acres to Thomas Gibson on the Flatt River. 28 Oct 1752 640 acres to Joseph Collins on the South West side of the Flatt River Witness- Thomas Collins and James Lilkemper.

If you find that time portal I want to go along for the ride.


------------------
Life is a Rainbow made up of Many Different Colors.....

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

On the subject of the COLLINS name......
According to researchers on the Melungeons, Collins and Shepherd were living in Virginia as friendly Indians and stole the name from them.

1742 Orange Co. Court case there was a John Collins listed as one of the Saponi Indians.


"Alexander Machartoon, John Bowling, Manincassa, Capt Tom, Isaac, Harry, blind tom, Foolish Jack, Charles Griffin, John Collins, Little Jack, Indians being bought before the court for stealing Hogs. , Ordered that their Guns be taken away from them till they are ready to depart of this county, they having declared their intentions to depart this colony within a week.".11 On pages 309-312 of Orange County Court Record book the above named men individually put up security.11"

I also have some copied material I believe was sent to my by Linda and there was a "COMMISSIONER of INDIAN AFFAIRS who was named John Collins. He was also used as an interperter. In most cases interperters were some degree of Indian or they were married to an Indian woman.

It is only speculation but I have always believed that the 26 Saponi's in 1742 court case that were ordered to leave the county were later the same men living in Granville Co. along the Flatt River.

Thomas Collins Sr. b 1710 , probable children were; Thomas Jr. b 1728, Joseph b 1730, Samuel b 1732, John b 1734, George b 1736, Elisha b 1738. They settled on the Flatt River as the following records reveal.

"Land Grants from the Earl of Granville to the earliest settlers, The Granville Dist. Of N.C. 1748-1763 Vols 2 & 4 by Hofman." 29 Oct 1751 -Grant to William Churton, 640 acres on the south side of Flatt River joining John Collins on the Rocky Branch. Grant is for warrant issued to Thomas Gibson (#3775) 1752. 250 acres to Thomas Gibson on the Flatt River. 28 Oct 1752 640 acres to Joseph Collins on the South West side of the Flatt River Witness- Thomas Collins and James Lilkemper.

If you find that time portal I want to go along for the ride.


------------------
Life is a Rainbow made up of Many Different Colors.....

[warlord]

Hi

My Collins family comes from Virginia with Amos Collins 1791, who moved to North Carolina. The family then moved to Clay county Kentucky. Other names are, John G, Calvin, James, Freelin, Nancy, elizabeth, Robert, Benjamin. May still be some there for all I know.

[Ahnala68]

First I want to say, thank you for accepting me... My Cherokee name is Ahnala.. my family roots on my mom's side begins in Oklahoma, with the exception of my mom's mother's side.. she is from Eastern Cherokee... her family had walked the Trail of Tears... I am 1/2 Cherokee from my mom's side... on my dad's side I am 1/8.. My paternal linage: My great grandmother Clara Mitchell, whose mother was Missouri Cole, she married Benjamin Mitchell... Missouri's Father is Harrison Cole, her mother was Clarinda (AKA Clara) Mitchell...so forth... George Cole;Nancy Musgrove;

I was wondering if any of you have any information (history, roll nubmbers ect) about this side of the family?... My great grandmother Clara Mitchell had past away March 1995, Our family is researching her past and her family, I am hoping that I will be able to prove her Native American hertiage... I remember visting in just shortly before she passed away, she was very proud of her native roots. If anyone has any information, I would greatly appreicate the vital info. I am curious about my gr. grandma and her family... She had a LOT of children( 12 that i know of:eek: )... she was married 4 times.. one of her daughters, my grandma ( Frances Marie Boykin) had 8 children..
~~Ahnala~~:)

[saj]

Welcome Ahnala!
Go to the search and type in Ezekial Cole and you'll see that he is a son of John Charles Cole and Cuzzie Anderson as is your Luanna Cole who married Wilson Musgrove. Looks like Luanna had two marriages but the children of the second kept the Cole name. Saj

[saj]

Ahnala,
I think you have lots of cousins on this forum!!:) :)
But first, there is the Dawes Roll. The index to the roll does show a Missouri Mitchell. The index is for names of indivuduals ENTITLED to enrollment based on rolls of various tribes. The roll # 10070...this # used for various tribes. But she is not on the actual Dawes roll as a corresponding person. So the index, from 1898-1914 just shows who could enroll on Dawes but that doesn't mean she did. The dates would fit for her.
Now, did you have the father of George Cole who married Nancy Musgrove? George Cole born c1828...Father William Cole and Obedience Collins c1780-1860. Her father Joshua Collins and Elizabeth Dale (I have Dale connections in Ky) and Father to Joshua Collins, Valentine Collins and Dicey. These are Collins who show up as Free Persons of color on some censuses. And go directly back to the Saponi. Welcome home! Saj

[Ben Banks]

My ggrandmother was Martha Collins Amburgey. Her mother was Grizilda Collins. Grizilda's father was Thomas J. Collins. Thomas J. Collins' father was Thomas Collins. Thomas was from Ashe Co., N.C. This set of Collins' came to Letcher Co., Ky from Ashe Co. I am sure this set of Collins' are related to Old Thomas Collins of Flatt River. My paternal lines include Collins, Williams, Banks, Combs, Amburgey, Hall, Proctor, Thomas, Brown, Hogg, Caudill, Hammonds, Francis, and others. My maternal lines include Gayheart, Smith,Jent, Grigsby, Cornett, Combs, Picklesimer, and others. Sincerely, Ben Banks. I live in Marion. Indiana, and I am 60 years old. I fondly remember my greatgrandmother , Martha Collins.

[Faye]

Glad to hear from another cousin.

Ahnala, it looks like you are also descended from John Cole and Cuzzie Anderson's son, William, and their daughter, Luana. I am descended from William and Obedience "Biddy" Collins (whose parents were Valentine and Dicy Collins) daughter, Charlotte, who married Luana Cole and William Campbell's son, Charles (they did not marry). Charlotte and Charles' son, Wallis, married Margaret "Peggy" Poe. Wallis and Peggy's son, Elbert, married Polly Salyers and their daughter, Ollie, is my mother. My mother is almost 88 and lives around the corner from me. My parents, Ollie Cole and Adam Barnett. My dad died 10 years ago.

[Ahnala68]

Hiya all.... sorry its has taken me so long to get back, been knee deep in the researches and planning a trip to England & Ireland for 2008-2009... Cole Mitchell, hmmm have to look that up thanks!... As soon as I can... I am going to get my scanner up and running, I will try n post a pic of my great grandmother Clara. Thanks for the information all!... I will certainly looked them all over as soon as I can get all my notes organized! lol... Multitasking~ a lil rusty at it right now:confused: ,... but used to be a whiz at it lol...
Nice to meet all of you!
Ahnala:)

[Ahnala68]

Hi All, It certainly has been awhile since I last post... I am still doing some reseach on my family... I have a question .. Does anyone have any information on the Roll # 20802?? I am currently looking for the documents pertaining to that particular roll number... as to what tribe or person it belongs to I do not know... It is believe this is the roll number for our family. I am beginning to think there musthave been some error along the way.
Ahnala

[ahwikatani]

hey Brenda,I have some of the same Collins listed in my family.We have a lot of family still in VA,WV,KY,and MO.We are also tied into the Muncy family which is in KY and WV.
-Gary

[Connie B]

hi everyone, great site.
thought i might find some link to my family. john cole born abt. 1760 in buncomb,nc..married cuzzie anderson b. abt.1760 in NC...
dont have notes in front of me so i will have to get back with need info...
My line is Gipson from Magoffin Co., Kentucy. But I have this same line in my tree cole,collins,anderson,wadkins/watkins,musgrove. Polina Cole (Perlina, Purlina, Pauline seen several ways) is my GG Grandmother. I am new to this forum also... Would love to swap details with any one having info on my line. Collins, Coles, Nickles (or any other spelling). Drop me a note.
Connie

[Connie B]

Ahnala, We are trying to find out Indian roots also. I have George Cole who married Nancy Musgrove in my line also. Do you have any info on the Trail of tears? Who walked and family stories? Would love to hear them..

Connie

[ahwikatani]

I have traced my collins line a good ways now,I have a lot of the same as others in this forum. You can also see a lot of them in Brenda collins "one more mountain to cross" article. It is very informative and has lots of info on the collins line.

[NAgal]

Hi all, I'm still working on Rachel E. Collins born 1755 in Orange Co., NC. She Married Uriah Paulk in Union Co., SC and died there in 1815.

I recently came across some additional info that might be her, she might have been an interpreter/midwife for a group call the Mulkey group who started the Mill Creek Baptist church in Barren/Monroe Co. KY. I don't think this is her but someone had sent me an email claiming it is her.

I'm also working on my Wadkins/Watkins line: Lewis/Louis Wadkins/Watkins both Sr. and Jr.
Lewis Sr. was born in NC 1803 and married an Elizabeth Hale/Hales in 1832 Talbot Co., GA he is found on the 1850 census in Talbot co. and again in 1870 in Marion Co., Redbone, GA.

His son Lewis Wadkins was born 1833 and married a Nancy Martin who's mother and father are listed as being born in NC and SC on several census records. He is found on the Talbot Co., GA 1850 census with his parents and again on the 1860 Harris Co., GA census with his wife and children. His name is mistakenly transcribed as Denis. Lewis (Jr.) dies in the Civil War 4/24/1862 Cumberland Gap KY. His enlistment papers state he is of "swarthy" complextion and grey eyes.

My theory is that this whole line of people the Collins/Wadkins/Watkins/Martins et al were of mixed blood thru the ages and intermarried knowing this. My theory is based on several things. First after Lewis dies his wife Nancy marries a Wilson L. Culberson/Culverson who is listed as "mulatto" on several census records (Wilsons decendants tell stories of him being indian but don't know the tribal affiliation) and no white woman at that time would marry "color" if she was not herself of known indian decent.

Nancy and Lewis's first child Martha Ann "Mattie" Wadkins/Watkins was born 12/2/1853 and her first child was out of wedlock and the father of this child has been a family mystery for years. Mattie even on her death bed would not name the father. This child was my gr grandfather born in 1870.

As you can see I have many "brick walls" but I would love to try and document Rachel E. Collins so if anyone runs across any info please contact me.

[Ahnala68]

Hi Connie.. My mother's side of the family has walked the trail of tears.. Her mother's side of the family but no relations to the Cole's. Welcome!

[AZMARTY]

Hello, I'm new also. I had posted something about my g g grandmother on another thread. I have Cole, Hawkins, Saylor, Skidmore in my family. They originated in VA and my gg grandmother Rebecca Jane Cole was born in Claiborne TN. Her mother, Eliza Cole, was born in VA. I am trying to make connections and sort through very confusing history. I have some information from my Uncle Paul (d) from OK. In a letter written to me many years ago, he wrote that his mother told him as a little boy on the night of Haley's Comet that he was descended from the same clan as Pocahontas. He was in his 90s at that time. We also have Walls in the family. Can anyone help me start to sort through all of this? All the information is overwhelming and I'm not quite sure where to start

Thanks

Marty

[Jovan]

Hi,
I traced my family through my grandmother's side to my great grandmother but, the trail stops. my family has knowledge of our native ancestry but, i almost feel like nobody want's to talk about it, and getting info is like pulling teeth. i really feel ashamed at times trying to find out info through my family but, there is a drive in me pushing me to find out anyway. my grandmother was, and is a black indian, she is listed as mullato, as well as her farther, and siblings. was it common to be listed as mullato, or colored being native american, or part native around 1860's-? i was told we were of Blackfoot, and Cherokee native american ancestry on both side's of my grandparents as a young boy. after learning that oh,,, how i could remember me and my twin brother at 7 years old running around the house with bow and arrows made out of sticks, rubberbands, or shoe laces you couldn't tell us nothing lol. seriously though, i also remember when my mother use to hang up the beautiful red and black, white yellow and black Indian corn as decorations around the house when we were little, i guess she did that out of remeberance of her culture. my family is from north carolina, our family surname is Thornton, Wilkerson, ragland, and i beleive thorpe is in there somewhere not sure. i've grown up realizing the strange eating habits my mother's side of the family has, they still eat rabbits, squirrels, and deer meat amongst other things to this day. i'm really worried where going to be like the countless of other people who have native ancestry but, can't trace there roots to a dawes roll any suggestion's?

[cherosage]

NAgal: do you have any information on your Elizabeth Hale? My GGrandma was Martha Jane Hale b. Aug 1889 in Miller Co MO. Her parents were Silas W. and Malinda (Snelling) Hale married in Miller Co MO July 08, 1883.

I don't know much about the Hale family before they came to MO.

[cthorpeky]

I have a Collins question. Simeon Collins' picture is in the Smithsonion Institution. Why was his picture placed there? He must have been an important person. There is a Simeon Collins listed in Hawkins Co. census and I'm wondering if this is the same person or a close relative?
Cleland Thorpe

[NAgal]

Cherosage, I have no other info on Elizabeth Hales/Hale

[Jovan]

Does any one have info on any bullock's from North Carolina? Betsy Bullock, or Viney Bullock (royster)