What might this name mean?

[Linda]

Spilleddi, any idea what the name YENYAH:KAYA might mean? It's one of the few recorded Tutelo names.

[spilleddi]

It means 'No Heart'

Its on the bottom of page 303 of Oliverio, spelled yayahkeya, or yañyahgeya the way I been spelling things.

I finally figured out how to spell things identical to Oliverio in Word format, but it doesn't cross over to the forum.

[Linda]

Whoa, I've been thinking about that today. There's two ways to take that. It could mean a heartless person, but I think that's more our usage. I'm wondering if in Saponi/Tutelo usage it meant someone who'd lost so much he couldn't feel anything anymore.

Let me try the rest of the known names:

Mastagonoe
Tachapoake
Deabeanba
Tahoska
Ohyogewan
Roseechy
Nikonha (This person lived at Six Nations, may be an Iroquoian word)
Manicassa
Onoyegeneon
Ga! poga! tadyi (From Six Nations, could be Iroquoian)
Ko! Stahagu
Senayehwas
S Kagwe
Teka! Ku
Nuyago
Gohe (Old Mosquito?)
Ontehoghkau
Haykawyenin
Mahiohguti
Kansoreakt
Washomene
Konokauney
Porarah
Nehqueksati
Keest
Teyauhwehkwe
Nastabon
Mareskau
Menesco
Gostango
Shurenough
Amoroleck
Heskake

[Linda]

In the reverse, can you translate

Flies High
Walks with Her

into Tutelo?

[spilleddi]

Many of these are in Oliverio's dictionary, but the spelling may be different. The names in bold are in the spelling system I'm using.

Mastagonoe -- unknown

Tachapoake -- unknown

Deabeanba, Deabeañba -- unknown

Tahoska, Tahoñsgá -- a chiefs name (from Bear tribe?), hoñsgá means small

Ohyogewan, Ohiyogéwañ -- unknown

Roseechy, Loseechi -- unknown

Nikonha (This person lived at Six Nations, may be an Iroquoian word)

Manicassa, Maniikasa -- unknown, manii means water

Onoyegeneon, Onoyegeneoñ -- Murdering

Ga! poga! tadyi, Gáhbogáhdadiyi -- a name/title handed down from long ago, name of a chief.

Ko! Stahagu, Kohsdahagu -- unknown

Senayehwas -- unknown

S Kagwe, Sgagwáñ -- unknown

Teka! Ku, Tekahku -- unknown

Nuyago, Nuyagoñ -- unknown

Gohe, Goñhe -- "Old Mosquito"

Ontehoghkau, Oñtehoxkau -- unknown

Haykawyenin, Heegawiyaniñ -- Treading on a Mountain, walking on a mountain

Mahlonguti, Mahloñguti -- Snipe tribe

Kansoreakt, Kañsoleagd -- Wolf tribe

Washomene, Wasomene -- Witchcraft

Konokauney, Gonokauna -- No Wish

Porarah, Polalah -- Look at a person

Nehqueksati, Nehgwegsati -- Ball

Keest, Kiisd -- Ladle

Teyauhwehkwe -- unknown

Nastabon, Nasdaboñ -- unknown

Mareskau, Malesgau -- unknown

Menesco, Menesgo -- unknown

Gostango, Gosdañgo -- unknown

Shurenough, Sulenoo -- unknown

Amoroleck, Amololek -- unknown

Heskake, Hesgake -- unknown

Onusowa, Onusoowa -- unknown

Kapedjac, Kapejas -- Naughty

[spilleddi]

Linda, where did you find all these names? I know a lot are from Canada, any from the colonial days, like treaty signers? Note that I added 2 names to your list.

[Linda]

I'm not sure where they can be found. This is from a page from Richard Haithcock's compilation. I have a feeling it's gleaned from any number of references from all over. I don't think too many are from Canada. I know Manicassa was one of the men mentioned in the court case regarding the Saponi men thrown out of the county for burning the woods (clearing fields).

[Linda]

BTW, translating these names is fantastic. Now we know two of the clans, Wolf and Snipe. What is a snipe?

And we have little windows into a few people's personalities.

Can we surmise that "Ladle" liked to cook? Or "Ball" liked sports? Or "Looks at People" was a particularly observant person? "Witchcraft" was a shaman? I guess we know what "Murdering" was known for. Can we suppose that "Old Mosquito" was a worrisome sort of fellow? This way of naming is really interesting. For all the immortality 'literacy" is supposed to bequeath, these few names are more of a memorial to a living person than given names/surnames make.

[spilleddi]

Do you have a copy of the treaty that shows names of eastern Siouan signers? I tried to search the forums, but it keeps telling me I answered the NoSpam question wrong.

All of the full translations I got out of Oliverio, check page 338 for a bunch of them. Theres more background info on the names than what I posted. I'll add it to the list shortly.

I believe Wolf and Snipe tribe are Iroquoian clans. A snipe (Common or Wilson's Snipe) is a kind of sandpiper with a long straight bill, found around wetlands. It makes a winnowing sound with its tail feathers. You can find it in a bird book.

[spilleddi]

Check this link out. it has a lot of names with origins and translations. A few typos too.
http://www.angelfire.com/wv2/dillon1944/native_american_names.htm

SAPONI NATION NAMES ( NAME-TRIBE-YEAR-PLACE) (*chief)
*Amoroleck.............Monacan.........1608....... ..Virginia
*Deabedanba...........Nusang...........1657....... .Northampton,Co. Va
Monack...................Monakins........1670..... ....Virginia
*Rosseechy.............Ocannechi.......1676....... ..Mecklenburg Co. Virginia *Shurenough............Manakins........1677....... ..Virginia
*Mastegonoe...........Saponi............1677...... ...Virginia
*Tachapoake...........Saponi............1677...... ...Virginia
*Mahennip...............Saponi............1728.... .....Brunswick Co, Virginia
Alex.Macharition........Saponi...........1742..... .....Orange Co. Virginia Maniassa..................Saponi...........1742... .......Orange Co. Virginaia
Heskake...................._____...........1753... .......Virginia
Onoyegeneon.............Tutelo...........1789..... ....New York
Ontehoghkau..............Tutelo...........1789.... .... New York
Haykawyenin..............Tutelo...........1789.... .....New York
Mahionguti.................Tutelo...........1789.. .......New York
Yenyahkeya................Tutelo...........1789... .....New York
Kansoreakt.................Tutelo...........1789.. .......New York
Washomene................Tutelo...........1789.... .....New York
Konakauney................Tutelo...........1789... ......New York
Porarah......................Tutelo...........1789 .........New York
Nehqueksati................Tutelo...........1789.. ...... New York
Keest.........................Tutelo..........1789 .........New York

NAMES OF SAPONI, TUTELO, MONACAN & OCANNECHI MENTIONED IN HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS AND CENSUSES
Deabedanba................Nusang/Yesa
Shurenough.................Monacan
Rose..........................Tutelo
Rosseechy..................Ocannechi Chief
Masteganoe.................Saponi
Jin.............................Tutelo
Massawomeke.............as the enemy were called (Penn.Iroquois)
Heskake.....................an old Indian Chief
Ga!poga!tadyi..............Chief John Buck
Ko!stahagu..................dwells in stone....Tutelo war chief
Senayehwas................Mrs. Timothy
Tahoska......................a chief's name said to belong to Bear Clan
Teka Ku, Dikahku..........chiefs name said to belong to Deer clan
Nuyago.......................old John Hoskins who died about 1870 at advanced age
Gohe.........................."Old Mosquito" John Tuteli died about 1870 at age 105
WasKiteng...................another name for "Old Mosquito" (possibly from English)
Ohyogewan..................A Tutelo chief who died about 1830
Papacik.......................A Tutelo nickname....to be mean devil
Kapedjac.....................naughty
Onoyegeneon............... "Murdering" a male head of family 1789 NY
Ontehoghkau................"Old Town" a male head of family 1789, NY
Haykawyenin................"Treading on Mountain" a head of family 1789, NY
Teyaukwehkwe............."Blossom here & there"

[Barbara Adair Bauer]

Spilledi, is that link part of Brenda Collins Dillon's old site that somehow survived? I wonder where she found that info.

[Linda]

I've got all of Brenda's site that I could retrieve here on our site:

http://www.saponitown.com/brenda-collins-dillon/index.htm

It's linked off our home page, http://www.saponitown.com.

Though I don't see that particular page anywhere. If anybody can figure out any way to see what else may be floating around on that angelfire site, it would be great. I tried plugging in a few of page names to follow suit with that address, but nothing came up.

Also, if someone could use a reverse genealogical dig to find her living relatives, perhaps we can find more material that should be preserved online. Someone found a reference to some material she had that she would send out. Maybe we can locate that.

[Linda]

I just googled "Brenda Collins Dillon" and came up with a number of hits. If anybody wants to volunteer to check these results against what we already have online, and save any stuff we don't have, it would be great. Contact me if you want to take this on as a project.

[spilleddi]

Names of treaty signers. Linda, are the text of these treaties sticky somewhere?

treaty of middle plantation 1677
Shurenough, King of the Manakins

Mastegonoe, young King of the Sappones

Tachapoake, Chiefe man of the Sappones

Spotwood's treaty with the Saponi at Williamsburg in 1714
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1807&highlight=saponi+treaty+fort

The mark of Chawco for the Hooutky of the Occoueeckees

The mark of TauheeSoka Hooutky of the Saponies

The mark of MauseeUntky Hoontky of the Totteros

The mark of Nehaurooss For the Hoontky miha of the Stukanoe

Hoonskey means chief, I'm assuming thats the same as hoontky. Unty in the name MauseeUntky could also mean chief. Miha means woman, so Nehaurooss was probably a woman.

[spilleddi]

Heres something on Tutelo clans.

http://omahatribe.unl.edu/etexts/oma.0004/oma.0004.ch-17.html

THE TUTELO
It is impossible to learn whether the Tutelo ever camped in a circle. The author obtained the following clan names (descent being in the female line) from John Key, an Indian, on Grand River reservation, Ontario, Canada, in September, 1882: On "one side of the fire" were the Bear and Deer clans, the Wolf and Turtle being on the other side. John Key's mother, maternal grandmother, and Mrs Christine Buck were members of the Deer clan. There were no taboos. The Tutelo names of the clans have been forgotten.