The Saponi Austin family of Halifax Co, VA

[ceaustin]

My GGGG Grandfather John Austin b 1726 acknowledged that he was a Saponi before a P&Q Court hearing to seek permission to visit with, and secure peace with the Catawba in 1755.

I have now re-read John's abstract from the Pleas & Quarter(ly) court, the appearance was in Rowan Co, NC, records were transfered to Surry Co, NC when Surry Co was formed from Rowan - at least I read this in a Surry Co history at the Chattanooga Public Library several years ago.

John was the father of William Austin b 1750+/- his son;Hezekiah b 1787 his son; Jonathan 1823 his son; William Blevins Austin 1855; his son Ned Elric 1902; his son Charles, me.

I hope to make contact with other descendants of John Austin, Sr b 1692-1701 possibly in VA or NC. He married Hannah Love. Hannah was probably the source of Saponi blood in my family. Were the Saponi a matriarchal society?

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Charles E Austin

[Linda]

Yes, they were likely matrilineal. Most Woodland Indians were.

I've heard from other Austins in the past few years, but their emails are somewhere in the pile right now. It's time to get that stuff organized, though I'm lacking the time.

You're very fortunate to have that clear line back. Where has your family been living through these generations? It would probably be useful to others if you could give some of the other names married in with your Austins.

I'd love to see a transcript of that court entry.

Why do you think Hannah was the Saponi? Yes, they were likely matrilineal. Most Woodland Indians were.

[Fire3821]

Charles,
You mention having court records of John Austin Sr.
I descend from-
1.) John Austin Sr. (I) B.Bef 1690 (Or 27 Mar 1701). died 1750, Lunenburg Co. Or Halifax Co., VA. and a woman everyone one has listed as first name- Saponi (Sapony, Saponie), with her last name listed as-Indian.B.Abt 1684, D. Abt 1722/1724
(I can't prove this one way or the other, but most say John had 2 wives the first died. John's second wife was Hannah Honor Love B. Abt 1702, Pittsylvania Co., VA. D. Bef 20 Apr 1778, Pittsylvania Co., VA. They had 4 children, Molly, Valentine, Stephen, and Joseph Champness Austin)
( John and "Saponi" had 2 children John Austin jr. , and Capt. Richardson "Richard" Austin)

John and "Saponi's" son-
2.) John Austin jr. B 14 Sep 1726, Va., D. 1815, Sumner Co., Tennessee, and Mary Maybee b8 Jan 1726/1727,d in Va.
Their son-
3.) Stephen Austin, B 4 Nov 1755, Halifax Co., VA, D. 1850, Savannah, Hardin Co., TN and Dorcas Pinson, B Abt 1757,Laurens Co., Tennessee Or Pittsylvania County Virginia. D., 13 Apr 1836, Savannah, Hardin Co., TN.
Their son-
4.) Saunders Austin, B 1782, Grayson Co., VA. D. aft 1856, Hardin Co., TN. and Nancy Qualls, B 3 Mar 1790,Va. D Aft 1860, Hardin County Tennessee.
Their son-
5.) John "Bally or Bauldy" Austin, B 8 Jun 1816, Smith Co., Tennessee. D. 2 Nov 1896, Hardin County, Tennessee. and Jane Lamb, B 1819, Tennessee. D 1880, Hardin County, Tennessee.
Their dau-
6.) Frances "Frankie" Austin , B 11 Nov 1844, Tennessee. D 31 Dec 1908, Hardin County, Tennessee. And John A. "Black John" Stout, B. 14 Dec 1832, D. 28 Sep 1907.
Their son-
7.) Issac "Ike" Stout, B.7 Jan 1866, Tennessee. D. 12 Mar 1939, Hardin County Tennessee. And Louisa Evelyn "Eva / Evie" Hubbard, B. 24 Mar 1863, Mississippi. D. 26 Mar 1931, Bur. Stout Cemetery, Dry Creek, Hardin Co., Tennessee.
Their son-
8.)Greene Stout, B. 11 Mar 1898, Dry Creek, Hardin Co., Tennessee. D. 29 May 1945, Metropolis, Massac County, IL. and Fanny Mae Littlemeyer, B. 18 Sep 1902, Massac County, IL.. D 11 Feb 1968, Metropolis Hospital, Metropolis, Massac County, IL.
Their dau-
9.) Frances Virginia Stout, B 12 Dec 1931 12 noon, Metropolis, Massac County, IL. and Evert Gordon "Doc" McCoy, B 23 May 1909, Worth County, Near Denver, Mo. D. 1 July 1990, Metropolis, Massac County, IL.
Their dau-
10) Dody McCoy, B 12 Dec 1956 12:30pm (Myself)

This is my direct line. It looks like we are related. I have information on siblings and such. Would love to share what I have with you.
What kind of record is this you have for John Sr.? You Have sparked my interst :^) As Linda I would love to see a transcript of it. What is a P and Q Court?
I also have some OLD pictures of John Bally, his bro Saunders, his dau Frankie ,his son Zack , and some others, thanks to my distant cousin-in-law Mac Lambert, who still lives in Hardin Co.. And of course my Grandpa Greene.

I look forward to hearing from you.

[ceaustin]

The John Austin family of Halifax Co, VA and Surry Co, NC:

Descendants of John Austin, Jr


Generation No. 1

1. JOHN1 AUSTIN, JR (JOHNA, UNKNOWNB) was born 14 Sep 1726 in James City County, Cornwall Parish, Virginia
(now Halifax & Pittsylvania), and died abt 1795 in Washington County, Tennessee. He married MARY MCBEE in
Halifax County, Virginia, daughter of WILLIAM MCBEE and SUSANNAH VARDRY. She was born abt 1734 in Prince
Georges County, Maryland, and died Deceased in Unknown.

Children of JOHN AUSTIN and MARY MCBEE are:
i. THOMAS2 AUSTIN, b. abt 1748.
ii. MARGARET AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1748 - 1768; d. Deceased.
2. iii. WILLIAM AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1750 - 1760, Hallifax County, Virginia or Surry County, North Carolina;
d. Bef. Jun 1802, Anderson County, Tennessee.
3. iv. STEPHEN AUSTIN, b. 04 Nov 1755, Halifax County, Virginia; d. 1850, Savanah, Hardin County,
Tennessee.
v. DAVID AUSTIN, b. abt 1756; d. Deceased.
4. vi. JOHN AUSTIN III, b. abt 1759, Halifax County, Virginia -OR- Rowan County, North
Carolina/Halifax County,NC; d. Deceased.
5. vii. ISAIAH AUSTIN, b. 18 Feb 1759, Surry County, North Carolina; d. 20 Sep 1832, Grayson County,
Virginia.


Generation No. 2

2. WILLIAM2 AUSTIN (JOHN1, JOHNA, UNKNOWNB) was born Bet. 1750 - 1760 in Hallifax County, Virginia or Surry
County, North Carolina, and died Bef. Jun 1802 in Anderson County, Tennessee. He married (1) UNKNOWN. She
died Deceased. He married (2) MILDRED "MILLY" DALTON abt 1780 in Virginia, daughter of WILLIAM DALTON and
JANE UNKNOWN. She was born abt 1760 in Virginia or North Carolina, and died Deceased in Anderson County,
Tennessee.

Children of WILLIAM AUSTIN and MILDRED DALTON are:
i. JOSEPH3 AUSTIN, b. abt 1781; d. Deceased.
ii. ELIZABETH AUSTIN, b. abt 1783, Virginia; d. Deceased, Jackson County, Alabama; m. (1) JOHN
MCENTIRE, JR; d. Deceased; m. (2) JOHN FRY.
iii. ZACHARIAH AUSTIN, b. 1784, Virginia; d. Deceased; m. MARTHA "PATTSY" THOMASON, 26 Aug
1807, Grainger County, Tennessee; b. 1786, Virginia; d. Deceased.
iv. HEZEKIAH AUSTIN, b. 17 Feb 1787, Virginia; d. abt 1848, DeKalb County, Alabama; m. JANE
BLEVINS, abt 1811, Bledsoe County, Tennessee; b. Bet. 1789 - 1793, Buncombe County, North
Carolina (?); d. abt 1869, DeKalb County, Alabama, Hartline Cemetery, Big Wills Valley.
v. JOHN AUSTIN, b. 26 Oct 1789, Green County, Kentucky; d. Apr 1850, Dade County, Georgia; m.
MARY FRANCES KING, abt 1820, Marion County, Tennessee; b. 06 Mar 1797, Tennessee; d. Bef.
1870, Carroll County, Arkansas.
vi. PHEOBE AUSTIN, b. abt 1791; d. Deceased.
vii. DANIEL AUSTIN, b. 16 Oct 1793, Green County, Kentucky; d. 31 Oct 1875, Bond County, Illinois;
m. NANCY EDWARDS, 17 Nov 1817, Anderson County, Tennessee; b. 04 Oct 1797, Tennessee (?);
d. 09 Aug 1862, Nevada, Vernon County, Missouri.
viii. NANCY AUSTIN, b. abt 1795; d. Deceased.


3. STEPHEN2 AUSTIN (JOHN1, JOHNA, UNKNOWNB) was born 04 Nov 1755 in Halifax County, Virginia, and died
1850 in Savanah, Hardin County, Tennessee. He married DORCAS PINSON abt 1775 in Grayson County, Virginia,
daughter of AARON PINSON and DELILAH STOVALL. She was born Bet. 1757 - 1760 in Laurens County, South
Carolina, and died 13 Apr 1836 in Savanah, Hardin County, Tennessee.

Children of STEPHEN AUSTIN and DORCAS PINSON are:
i. WILLIAM I3 AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1776 - 1780, Montgomery County, Virginia; d. 1853, Bond County,
Illinois; m. (1) REBECCA MOSES, 22 Mar 1798, Grainger County, Tennessee; b. abt 1780, Virginia;
m. (2) MAHALA HALL, 1846; b. abt 1825.
ii. ELIZABETH AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1776 - 1805, Pittsylvania County, Virginia; m. WILLIS W DEAR, 06 Sep
1827, Pittsylvania County, Virginia.
iii. JOSIAH AUSTIN, b. abt 1778; d. abt 1851, Bond County, Illinois.
iv. SANDERS AUSTIN, b. abt 1782, Grayson County, Virginia/ Montgomery County, Virginia; d. 1856,
Savannah, Hardin County, Tennessee; m. NANCY QUALLS, 1806, McMinnville, Warren County,
Tennessee; b. 03 Mar 1790, Virginia; d. Bet. 1860 - 1870, Hardin County, Tennessee.
v. HANNAH AUSTIN, b. abt 1784, Virginia; d. abt 1861, Marion, Arkansas; m. WILLIAM OBEDIAH
WOOD, abt 1805, Anderson County, Tennessee; b. abt 1775; d. 1861, Marion, Arkansas.
vi. ROBERT AUSTIN, b. abt 1785, Montgomery County, Virginia; d. Alabama; m. ELIZABERTH
WEBSTER; b. abt 1790.
vii. BENJAMIN AUSTIN, b. 18 Feb 1787, North Carolina; d. 23 Nov, Hardin County, Tennessee; m.
SARAH G ELLIS, 17 Mar 1810, Burke County, North Carolina.
viii. JOHN AUSTIN, b. 23 Aug 1789, Montgomery County, Virginia; d. 09 Dec 1872, Lauderdale County,
Alabama; m. MARTHA YOUNG, 13 Nov 1818, Madison County, Alabama; b. abt 1790.
ix. STEPHEN AUSTIN, b. abt 1790, Grayson County, Virginia.
x. REBECCA AUSTIN, b. abt 1796, Grayson County, Virginia; d. 19 Aug 1864, Matoon, Coles County,
Illinois; m. JAMES GRAY, 1817, Lincoln County, Tennessee; b. 17 Sep 1796, Caswell County, North
Carolina; d. 03 Sep 1852, Searcy County, Arkansas.
xi. RICHARD AUSTIN, b. abt 1798; m. ELIZABETH UNKNOWN.
xii. RANSOM AUSTIN, b. abt 1805, Tennessee; m. MARTHA UNKNOWN, abt 1830; b. abt 1810.


4. JOHN2 AUSTIN III (JOHN1, JOHNA, UNKNOWNB) was born abt 1759 in Halifax County, Virginia -OR- Rowan
County, North Carolina/Halifax County,NC, and died Deceased. He married LUCY SHELTON 06 Nov 1783 in
Louisa County, Virginia, daughter of PETER SHELTON and FRANCES NUCKOLLS. She was born 03 Dec 1764 in
Louisa -or- Goochland County, Virginia, and died Deceased.

Children of JOHN AUSTIN and LUCY SHELTON are:
i. DAVID S3 AUSTIN, b. abt 1784; m. MARY LOWERY, 05 Nov 1816, Louisa County, Virginia; b. abt
1785.
ii. FLEMING AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 - 1814.
iii. ELIZABETH AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 - 1814.
iv. PEGGY AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 - 1814.
v. THOEDOCIA AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 - 1814.
vi. NANCEY AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 - 1814.
vii. MARIA AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 - 1814.
viii. BRYCE HODGES AUSTIN, b. Bet. 1784 - 1814.


5. ISAIAH2 AUSTIN (JOHN1, JOHNA, UNKNOWNB) was born 18 Feb 1759 in Surry County, North Carolina, and died 20
Sep 1832 in Grayson County, Virginia. He married (1) ANN ROSAMOND. She was born abt 1765 in Virginia, and
died Bef. 1797 in Virginia. He married (2) LUCINDA "LUCY" BLEVINS 1793 in Grayson County, Virginia, daughter
of DANIEL BLEVINS and UNKNOWN. She was born Bet. 1765 - 1768 in Buncombe County, North Carolina, and died
Aft. 1860 in Grayson County, Virginia.

Children of ISAIAH AUSTIN and ANN ROSAMOND are:
i. DANIEL3 AUSTIN, b. abt 1789, Montgomery County, Virginia orAshe County, North Carolina; d.
Deceased, Ashe County, North Carolina.
ii. JOHN AUSTIN, b. abt 1791, Wythe County, Virginia; d. 1856, Smith County, Texas; m. DELILAH
RUTHERFORD; b. abt 1800, Virginia; d. Deceased.
iii. JAMES AUSTIN, b. abt 1792, Montgomery County, Virginia (?); d. abt 1831, Washington County,
Virginia; m. SALLY JONES, 05 Jul 1816, Pittsylvania County, Virginia; d. Deceased.


Children of ISAIAH AUSTIN and LUCINDA BLEVINS are:
iv. SUSANNAH3 AUSTIN, b. 17 Oct 1798; d. Deceased; m. BENNET RECTOR, abt 1820; b. 01 Mar 1782,
Fauquier County, Virginia; d. 25 Dec 1866, Grayson County, Virginia.
v. WILLIAM AUSTIN, b. abt 1802.
vi. SAMUEL AUSTIN, b. abt 1803; d. Deceased; m. SYNTHA UNKNOWN; b. abt 1805.
vii. LACY AUSTIN, b. 05 Mar 1805, Grayson County, Virginia; d. 26 Jun 1901, Grayson County,
Virginia; m. SARAH "SALLY" COX, 20 Oct 1831, Grayson County, Virginia; b. abt 1810; d.
Deceased, Grayson County, Virginia.
viii. LEWIS BLEDSOE AUSTIN, b. 18 Jan 1807, Pittsylvania County, Virginia; d. 26 Apr 1894, Jefferson
County, Montana; m. (1) NANCY MOORE, 04 Dec 1828, Grayson County, Virginia; b. 24 Jan 1810,
Grayson County, Virginia; d. 09 Mar 1853, Grayson County, Virginia; m. (2) MATILDA GEORGE,
Aft. 1853; m. (3) GRACEY ANN PADGETT, Aft. 1870.
ix. FRANKLIN AUSTIN, b. abt 1811, Grayson County, Virginia; d. Bef. 1899, Grayson County, Virginia;
m. NANCY UNKNOWN, abt 1835, Virginia; d. Deceased.

[Linda]

Heads up, everybody. Make sure you read through all this. This one family spreads out to half the known destinations for mixed-blooded Saponi, and this time the source is documented as Saponi. I think this could prove to be very productive for a lot of people.

Thank you very much for sharing all this, Charles. That's an awesome amount of work there, and a very rare find. Do you have any sense that your family was part of any kind of community? It will be interesting to look at the neighboring families wherever your family was and see what turns up.

These generations, were they classified as white, fpc, black, mullatto? Or like some families, all of the above?

[Linda]

I don't know what a P & Q court was. Does anybody know?

Where did you find this record?

[Forest]

Probably means Pleas and Quarter Sessions court.

[Linda]

What does that mean? Pleas and Quarter? People making pleas and asking for quarter (protection)?

[ceaustin]

Linda and others,
"Pleas and Quarterly Court" was a common name for minor county courts during the 17th and 18th century. Perhaps it was not a minor court as Orphans, the recording of legal documents, the handling of illigitimate children, etc were handled by these courts, at least in NC and TN.

In my first post I mistakenly said that John Austin, Jr appeared in the P& Q Court of Surry Co, NC in 1758, the actual year was 1755. In that appearance John stated that he was a Saponi, married to a Susquehanna.

John's brother Valentine also stated, date unknown, in the same court that he was an Indian. Further, brothers Joseph and Richard(son) were identified as mixed breed in a VA Census in 1770, Joseph in Pittsylvania Co, VA, and possibly that was Richard's location. That only leaves one brother, Stephen, that was not identified as non-european. Stephen was in the west of VA around the New River Valley in the 1770s, thus was either missed, or was in the company of a number of non Europeans, some of which are usually named on Melungeon lists, Adkins, Gibson/Gipson, Vaughn, etc. My people usually stayed on the fringes of civilization.

I am a proven descendant of John Austin, Jr by means of a DNA test done on a descendant of Isaiah Austin, brother to my William Austin ca 1750, and myself in 2002. In this test we did not show any European blood lines (Paternal, male line of descent) in our direct Austin line. I surmise that we are descendants of the Portugese Sailors that were dropped off on the Outer Banks of NC in the 1500s. UNPROVEN. As I have read, there were Moors, and others out of Africa in Portugal at that time.

At this time I am considering a Native American DNA test, but have not done so at this time.

All AUSTIN descendants are invited to join my DNA Project for the Austin family at large. The only qualification is direct male descent from the Austin surname. Female DNA costs more, thus we don't have a project underway at this time, though we could if required.

Many people, including the Austin Family Assoc of America have contributed to the research I have, so as I say thank you for the compliment, I must acknowledge the help of numerous others who have helped me compile my AUSTIN file.

I have not yet found the "paper" from Surry Co, but will keep looking. Unfortunately I did not record the actual record from Surry Co, or the month and day of John's appearance in the Surry P&Q court.

Some of the names that married into the Austin family are:
LOVE, McBEE, QUALLS, DALTON, BLEVINS, ADKINS, COUNTISS, HEARD, TERRY, PREWITT, PINSON, ETC

Thanks for your letters!

[Linda]

I'm confused why you're thinking that there are Portugeuse in that line, seeing as how Portugeuse are European and you're sure that line is non-European. Am I missing something?

[ceaustin]

Linda,
That the Portugese were of various nationalities is partly an assumption on my part. It is known that the Moors and Shep. Jews were driven from Spain before 1500 into Portugal, that being a minority they were probably not completely welcomed, and had pressure to leave.

Europe was made up from Anglo Saxons (European) and various other people, namely; Moors - in Spain by 711 AD, Shepardic Jews, shortly after the Moors, the Moors were originally from Africa according to my unconfirmed research. and the Jews were from Arabia - Africa?

I am certainly not an expert on this matter, but from reading various entries on the Saponi I understand that we are a mixed race of people, and that the Saponi did intermarry with peoples from the old world.

Since my Ancestor, John Austin, Sr was in this country bef 1720 (?) I am thinking that the Black Slaves were not common at that time, but the Portugese Sailors that were dropped on the Outer Banks may have intermarried with the Saponi.

"I surmise that we are descendants of the Portugese Sailors that were dropped off on the Outer Banks of NC in the 1500s. UNPROVEN. As I have read, there were Moors, and others out of Africa in Portugal at that time. " as you can see, I stated that I was guessing.


This may be a desire on my part to deny my "Black" ancestry, though my grandmother explained her dark coloring by saying that she was Black Dutch. She was dark complected as were her other Blevins relatives, who were darker than the Austins. Generally, the Austins were fair skinned, some with blond hair.

Your comments are certainly welcome, thanks for your input.

[ceaustin]

Dennis,
Do you feel that William is related to the Austins, if so, how is he related?

I have seen instances wherein children were named for neighbors, not neccessarily relatives.

Where was William born, where did he die, and what were his migration paths? My William Austin 1750-1760 was born in SS VA, or Surry/Rowan Co, NC, later was found in Montgomery, Wythe, Grayson Counties, VA and died in Anderson Co, TN. Does any of this match your William, and/or your family?

I am a Saponi descendant, with possible Cherokee ancestry - unproven. Otherwise, I do not know of anyother Indian lines, though those lines may exist considering ancestry of Adkins, Blevins, and possibly others that were of mixed race.

[-cr21-]

I've got almost exactly the same timeline for my family in whats now Halifax, and North Carolina.(1730-abt1790) as far back as i can go on that side. . also leaving for Tennessee at the same time as well to the same counties. Maybe our families knew each other. E-mail me at -cr21-@excite.com and we can exchange info.

[thunder Hawk]

My line of Austin from Virginia and North carolina

William Austin : Born Ireland 1700 died SouthHampton Virginia
1770

Wife

Ruth {Bryant } Austin:

Children:

Charles Austin:

John Austin

Richard Austin

Sarah Austin

Molly Austin

[kathleen 6]

Charles, do you have any information about John Austin's brother Richard Austin?
Kathleen

[StariNelson]

I am a descendant of John Austin, from his son John Jr




1 John Austin & Saponi Indian circa 1725
2 John Austin & Mary McBee circa 1740's
3 Stephen Austin & Dorcas Pinson circa 1765 fought in Rev War
4 Saunders Austin & Nancy Qualls circa 1800
5 Stephen Austin & Anna Lamb circa 1830
6 John Austin & Eliza Qualls circa 1860
7 Henry RH Austin & Rosa circa 1885
8 Edd Austin & Pearl Yancey circa 1930
9 Howard Austin & Doris
10 Wanda Austin Nelson ( me)

[kathleen 6]

Hi Wanda. Do you have any information about John Sr.'s brother Richard Austin?
Kathleen Rogalla

[StariNelson]

Hi, Kathleen!
According to the Austin Family Association of America (AFAOA), Richard did have a family :)


Husband: Richard Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?57692)
Wife: Ann Heard (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?62914)
Child: Jane Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?849750)
Child: John Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?849223)
Married: in Richmond Co.,GA

Parents:


Father: John Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?1084855)
Mother: Hannah Love (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?665570)




John's family :

Husband: John Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?849223)
Wife: Fanny Crittenden (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?850795)
Child: John Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?877649)
Child: Richard Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?851121)
Child: William Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?852006)
Married: 12 Aug 1788 in Richmond Co.,GA

Parents:


Father: Richard Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?57692)
Mother: Ann Heard (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?62914)


Does that help, or do you need more?

Wanda

[StariNelson]

I'm sorry, I read that post incorrectly. THat information above is for the son, Richard, father John Austin Sr

THIS info is for Richard, brother to John Sr

His wife is unknown, his children are:
Sarah Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?44292)
Euziah Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?45259)
Elizabeth Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?44659)
Thomas Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?960213)
John Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?1221568)

Thomas married and had :
William Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?1013778)
Richard Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?959310)
Thomas Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?1013665)



Richard Austin married Mary Odel (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?958638)
and Elizabeth Simons (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?958008)

Richard & Mary had:

Ann Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?968857)
Jane M. Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?969116)
Martha Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?969439)
Lee Ann Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?972021)
Richard Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?967897)
Allen Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?968226)
Elike Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?960835)
Philip J. Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?968628)
Samuel C. Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?957517)
Levesta Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?971778)
Andrew J. Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?969633)
Jacob Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?970392)


Richard & Elizabeth had :
Margaret Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?966022)
Pleasant Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?966572)
Catherine Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?967123)
Fanny Austin (http://sunbeam.rahul.net/~afaoa/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=John_Austin_Sr_VA?967529)


Hope this helps !


Wanda

[kathleen 6]

Wanda, thank you. I have been told that Richard Sr. married Elizabeth Rice. Since Richard left land to a David Rice in his will and David was not a son-in-law, maybe he was Elizabeth's sister. I have Richard Sr.'s will if you would like it. You know a lot more about this family than I do. What do you think?
Kathleen

[kathleen 6]

Wanda, In court records regarding the sons of John Sr. and whether they were Indian or not, the sons mention that their cousin Tom was also Indian. Do you know if they had any other cousins named Tom besides Richard Sr.'s son? I have these court statements somewhere. I'll dig them out for you if you don't have them.

I descend through Richard Sr.'s daughter Elizabeth who married Isaac Vernon. Then, through their son Joseph, wife unknown and their son John who married Sarah Sims. I can't find her parents either or Joseph's wife. You don't have any Sims information, do you?



Kathleen
You can email me direct at: deserthawk@cableone.net

[StariNelson]

Kathleen, I did some research for you and emailed you what I found via the AFAOA and Gencircles.com As you can see, they listed Sarah with a different last name.... maybe she was married before she married John ?

I have to go shopping tonight, I can look elsewhere later. Hope this helps !

Wanda

[kathleen 6]

I know her name was Sarah Lemuel Sims, however, have you ever seen Lemuel as a surname? There was a man named Lemuel Sims living in the area. I don't know if it was the right time frame though.
I really appreciate your help,
Kathleen

[StariNelson]

I went to kindredtrails, and they have Joseph Vernon's familily listed as follows:

<TABLE cellSpacing=3 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=right>Father: </TD><TD align=left>Joseph Vernon (http://www.kindredkonnections.com/cgi-bin/kkindv?517384+1198106172+100010+English+0-0+N292+12641+23399)</TD></TR><TR><TD align=right>Birth/Chris: </TD><TD align=left>1745 </TD></TR><TR><TD align=right colSpan=2> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=right>Mother: </TD><TD align=left>unknown </TD></TR><TR><TD align=right>Birth/Chris: </TD><TD align=left>1745 </TD></TR><TR><TD align=right colSpan=2> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=right>Married: </TD><TD align=left></TD></TR><TR><TD align=right>Sealed: </TD><TD align=left></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<HR>Children:
1.Vernon, John (http://www.kindredkonnections.com/cgi-bin/kkindv?517384+1198106172+100010+English+0-0+N292+12641+23400) - Birth/Chris: 1775
2.Vernon, Isaac (http://www.kindredkonnections.com/cgi-bin/kkindv?517384+1198106172+100010+English+0-0+N292+12641+23401) - Birth/Chris: 1777
3. Vernon, Lemuel - Birth/Chris: ABT 1795


I know this prolly doesn't help, but so far I have nothing on Sarah.


I did see several Lemuel's listed on censuses.. none I could connect to her. There were 7 people/families with that last name listed on the 1810 census.... 2 in NC 1 in VA 2 in PA 1 in KY and 1 in NY

There are so many variations of that spelling..... I imagine it would be extremely hard to find thr right one, considering how many names were spelled different, or just spelled wrong.

[thunder Hawk]

[QUOTE=thunder Hawk]My line of Austin from Virginia and North carolina

William Austin : Born Ireland 1700 died SouthHampton Virginia
1770

Wife

Ruth {Bryant } Austin:

Children:

Charles Austin:

John Austin

Richard Austin

Sarah Austin

Molly Austin

Not sure about William being from Ireland this is imformation from another Austin Sorce:

[shirley778446]

:) i too decend from john austin sr, and a saponi indian, thru thier son john austin jr & mary mcbee, but i've heard thru others that his wife was a sasquannah indian (not spelled right) thru them thier son stephen austin and dorcas pinson, thru thier son sanders austin and nancy qualls (i also decend from nancy's bro. john) thru thier son john austin and jane lamb, thru thier daughter judy austin who married thomas j. qualls, thru thier son felix young qualls and mary emaline wilson, thru thier daughter gertie lou qualls and exie chapman, to my mom bertha aline chapman & george wesley gollihar, but i need help getting ahold of the documents everyone else is using to prove thier lines can you be of any help on this line of families,

SHIRLEY:o

[shirley778446]

hI cHARLES
in my previous post I listed my lineage line from John Austin Sr down to myself, I would really be interested in seeing the photo's you have of the Austins, please e-mail me at shirley778446@yahoo.com

thanks
shirley

[PDA]

Shirley, I read your post and also would love to see the old Austin pictures. I am an Austin and descended from John Sr and Hannah through their son Joseph. It was declared in a Surry county court that all of the children of John Austin were either indian or meulegeon. My familiy has lived in Pittsylvania county Virginia near the Sandy River where John Austin's plantation was located. I guess this makes us cousins of some form. The Austin men on my side all have dark or black hair. My grandfather Robert Calvin looked like the actor that played the lead role in bury me at wounded knee.

[shirley778446]

ceaustin
please make contact with me, I also decend fronm John Austin sr and the saponi indian, do not know mush about the indian line can you or anyone else help me. I also would like a copy of the Austin photo's that you have, you can contact me here or at shirley778446@yahoo.com

a new cousin
shirley

[shirley778446]

hi my name is shirley Raymond I have left you several messages with my e-mail asking you to please contact me my e-mail is shirley778446@yahoo.com
I descend as followed
JOHN AUSTIN sr MD SAPONI
JOHN AUSTIN jr MD I'VE HEARD 2 THINGS 1 MARY MCBEE THE OTHE A SASUQUANNAH INDIAN
STEPHEN AUSTIN MD DORCAS PINSON
SANDERS AUSTIN MD NANCY QUALLS
JOHN BALLY AUSTIN MD EITHER JANE LAMB OR MARY LAMB 1 MARRIED JOHN AUSTIN THE OTHER JOHN QUALLS
JUDY AUSTIN MD THOMAS JEFFERSON QUALLS
FELIX YOUNG QUALLS MD EMALINE WILSON
GERTIE LOU QUALLS MD EXIE CHAPMAN
BERTHA ALINE CHAPMAN MD GEORGE WESLEY GOLLIHAR
SHIRLEY ANN GOLLIHAR MD GUY WOLF RAYMOND (THIS IS ME)
i WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TALK TO YOU

AS EVER
SHIRLEY

[shirley778446]

Hello,
I too would love to get with you and compare note and documents an maybe someone out there has some photo's of some of the Austin family
my e-mail is shirley778446@yahoo.com

as ever
shirley

[Palmer]

After reading forcum, I know that I am in the right place. I tried to find the P & Q. The libaray said the micro was too hard to read. Suggested I check out the State Libaray. John Austin Jr. 1755 is an ancestor. My grandmother was living on a catabawa reservation in 1890 in Oklahoma.
John Austin Sr. & Saponi Indian (Hanna Love ?)
John Austin Jr. Mary Maybee
Stephen Austin & Dorcas Pinson
Rebecca Austin & James Gray
Alexander Gray & Hanna Horton
Sarah Gray & Samuel Parks
Mary Parks & Daniel Lindsey
Ida Lindsey & Henry Baxter
Ellen Baxter & Earl Palmer
Me.
Family records show that Sarah Gray is half Indian. This a letter written to another family member. These families lived in a community, and moved from New York, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennesse, Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma. Other family member also speak of the Indian blood, that it was suppose to be a secret. Hanna Horton's mother was Mary Watt's who is suppose to be Indian and John Watts daughter from North Carolina. Which is why Sarah is considered 1/2 having blood on both sides. If anyone has a copy of the Pleas & Quarter from John Austin in 1755. It might help in proving the Indian Linage for the Saponi, since John is tied to the Catabaw Indians in the report, and his descendant Ida Lindsey ended up on the Catabaw Reservation in 1890. Sarah Parks also moved close to the Catabaw Reservation after grandmother Mary Watts died. I will check out the State Library , if anyone else has it please contact me at peacemakermj1@earthlink.net

[shirley778446]

are the saponi and the catabaw indians one in the same or are they differant tribes? if differant how is John Austin jr and his descendants related to them?.
Also with my Qualls/Quarles and Lamb lines I hear are also of indian descent, does anyone know how I can found out about this

thank you :)
shirley
e-mail shirley778446@yahoo.com
or 918-962-3479

[eeseepoo]

I am becoming desperate. I am hunting an Elizabeth or Eliza Jane Austin (b. 23 May 1836 - d. 28 Jan 1898) m. Michael Smythers 23 May 1856. She is throught to be the daughter of James Austin and Virginia Jane Bratton. James is said to be a son of a John Austin. All stops there. There is concensus that this James was born 1808 - ?06 Jul 1867. Ancestory.com trees then take him to a Isaiah Austin, but the James born to him his older. Worse, be shown on a 1850 Census in Illinois, dying in 1854 there. Anyone got an extra John Austin out there? Any of those siblings from John Austin Jr have daughter Eliza Jane or Elizabeth Austin around 1836 and not go to Illinois? My Eliza lived her live at Sulpher Springs, Carroll, VA.

[Linda]

The word Saponi came to be used to describe all of the Siouan tribes of the VA/NC Piedmont. The Catawba were in SC and were from a Siouan stock that had been in the East MUCH longer than the Saponi. It's thought that the Saponi had been in Ohio, were driven out, perhaps by the Seneca, and came into the Piedmont maybe 800 years ago. The Saponi went to the Catawba in the end days, but they didn't get along and most left.

I don't know what the original source is that describes an Austin as Saponi. I've probably heard it quoted, but I don't know the details of where it's located and the context of it. Was it in Orange County, VA? I may have heard that.

[Greywolf]

Seems like it was a land record.

[shirley778446]

Charles, I have tried to contact you before without any luck, I also descend from John Austin sr. and Hannah love (Saponi indian) down thru thier son John Austin jr and Mary McBee-Mabee, thru Stephen Austin and Dorcus Pinson, down thru Sanders Austin and Nancy Qualls (Quarles).down thru John Austin and Jane Lamb, down thru Judy Austin and Thomas Jefferson Qualls (nephew to Nancy Qualls) down thru Felix Qualls and Emaline wilson, down thru Gertie Qualls and Exie C. Chapman, down thru Bertha Allain Chapman and George Wesley Gollihar, down thru me Shirley Ann Gollihar and Guy Wolf Raymond, Nancy Qualls brother John Qualls married Mary Lamb are the parents of Thomas J. Qualls listed above, from John Austin Sr, the line started out fromVa, -N,C, Tenn, Arkansas, ending up in Oklahoma where alot of descendants still live today, can you give me any help, still trying to show the generation trail someone else mentioned on here, but that is how mine goes,

[Linda]

Shirley, do have access to the exact wording of that mention of John Austin Sr and Hannah Love? And where it was printed?

[shirley778446]

No I don't sorry, Wish I could find it again, I think it is mentioned in the genealogy research of Janet Austin Curtis. But my line starts with John Austin sr, and the Saponi indian and go down thru the generations tht I listed, am looking for any help I can find as to old documents and photo's

[DAJ42]

The Austin Families Association recently put together a largish document that is now on the internet about the John Austin family. The first several pages discuss the Saponi, Catawba and Susquahana backgrounds.

http://www.afaoa.org/search/NLVAJohn0105.pdf

[shirley778446]

thank you for your help, like I mention I have no documentaion of the the genealogies leading to me Jon Austin

[rhaustin]

This is my line:
John Austin Sr.
John Austin Jr.
Isaiah Austin b 1759 d after 1840
Lacy Austin b 1805 d 1901
John Austin b 1835 d
William Hardin Austin b 1859 d 1950
John Howard Austin b 1918 d 2002
William Howard Austin b 1938 d 1990
Richard Howard Austin (me) b 1965

Lacy through William Howard were all born on the same farm purchased by Isaiah in Grayson County VA.