BRYANT family

[Matsane]

I hadn't planned on doing this but something keeps telling me I should. Probably my ancestors - they're really good at bossing me around. I have never heard the term Blackfoot in reference to this family.

A few years back I was told that one of my ancestors, Matilda BRYANT CHAPMAN was listed on a Cherokee roll. Well, she's not. I've checked all of them. But I haven't given up on the idea that there might be Indian there. Bryant is a known Cherokee name. Matilda was born in 1812 in Kentucky, I believe Floyd Co. Her parents were Josiah Bryant and Mary TURMAN. Matilda was born while they were visiting Josiah's parents. Josiah and Mary lived in Indiana. Josiah's parents were Josiah and Lydia. The younger Josiah was born in 1784 in Montgomery Co., VA. The elder Josiah was born between 1740 and 1750 in S. Carolina and his father's name was Charles. Don't know who his mother was. Charles' father was Jacques (or James). I have not been able to find any information on Charles or Jacques, nor have I been able to find out what Lydia's maiden name was.

Okay, I've done what I was told to do. Now I will wait and see why I was supposed to do it.

Matsane

[Linda]

The list I have of SE Indian names lists Bryant. No tribe is designated. I guess that means that it occurs in families with no clear ties, or too many to settle on any one. Don't know if that's any help.

[Brenda Ferrell Sampsel]

Daniel Boone's father-in-law Morgan Bryan was involved very heavily in the Conestoga Indian trade along with some Linville brothers. They all moved from PA into the Valley of Virginia and then some time around 1750 moved to the forks of the YADKIN area in NC......this is what Ramsey refers to as the "Carolina Cradle" between the Catawba & Yadkin rivers...... I've often wondered if one way surnames came into Indian communities was through their relationships with families who were in the Indian Trade.....Anyway, several of the very earliest settlers in this area where Indian traders.

[Tom]

Hello All the name Bryant is fairly old in the SE , I was told that the Cherokee translation for this name is "Crow on a Hill" or CrowHill, I do not know if that helps but it's a fairly easy name to trace. My English Grandfather is a Bryant, right off the boat!
all the best Tom

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

Quote from above:
Bryant is a known Cherokee name. Matilda was born in 1812 in Kentucky, I believe Floyd Co. Her parents were Josiah Bryant and Mary TURMAN. Matilda was born while they were visiting Josiah's parents. Josiah and Mary lived in Indiana. Josiah's parents were Josiah and Lydia. The younger Josiah was born in 1784 in Montgomery Co., VA. The elder Josiah was born between 1740 and 1750 in S. Carolina and his father's name was Charles.

How many of those we have spoken of on this forum have taken the same path?

1750 S.Carolina......Saponi went south to Catawba

1780's Montgomery Co. Va.

1790's NC

1800 Floyd Co. Kentucky

That the same trail my Collins took.

Brenda

[Brenda Ferrell Sampsel]

Wow Brenda!!!

You are probably familiar with Henry Clay Ragland's HISTORY OF LOGAN COUNTY. He is not altogether reliable as most of his informants were probably the grandchildren of his subjects. However, this is what he has to say about David Mounts, my Blackfoot & Cherokee (per my late grandpa Harry Steele of Beech Creek)4th great grandfather. By the way, Ragland hated Indians.

"The daughter of Peter Cline, Sr., whose name was Margaret, married David Mounts, a young man who came to the Tug Valley a short time after Cline had settled there. It is not known where he came from, but it is believed from the name that he is a descendant of a Portuguese family by the name of Mounts, which settled in South Carolina about 1750, and some of whom served under Sumpter in the War of the Revolution." David's children marired into the Blankenships, Steeles, Spratts, Clines, Charles, Christian & Hurley families of the Tug River Valley.

I have NEVER been able to ID David's exact Mounts family, although I have found some interesting Mounts at the edge of the early frontier. One line has legends that they are French, but I feel pretty comfortable that they are descended from an Indian Trading family that came with the New Sweden Colony and was in Cecil County MD (near Chester, PA) before moving on with the frontier. I did find a George and a Barnabus Mounts in old Ninety Six District of South Carolina no township listed about 1779. Ninety Six was a trading center and on the trading path. The other thing that strikes me about the 1750 date is that it is about the time some old traders from PA including Morgan Bryan moved to the trading ford at the forks of the Yadkin in North Carolina. The "Carolina Cradle" settled is formed by the Yadkin & Catawba. The customers/suppliers/Indians had been moving out of the Susquehanna area for some time, first to the Potomac area, and then to the Ohio lands.....wonder if they had customers/suppliers in the Yadkin? I think there was a general migration out of Virginia around 1750 or so, however, for various reasons. (Perhaps the Fairfax suits??? Opening hostilities with the French & Indian war? I'll have to check the dates.)

According to heresay, David was born in the Clinch River settlements around 1785. His PURPORTED sister , Sarah Mounts Wilson, wife of James Wilson (children married into Balls & Lamberts, I believe) who settled in the Wayne County area of WVA was reportedly born in Maryland some years earlier. They were purportedly in the TN/NC area for a short while, too. There is talk that they were in the Jackson River settlement in the Bath County, VA area for awhile, too. There were some Mounts in the Clinch river area early 1770's, but records are scanty. (John, Mathias, & Absolum. I think at least one of them might have moved over from the Otter Creek area. It looks like they may have gone on to Kentucky.)

The first real documentary evidence of MY David Mount's existence is his 1809 marriage bond in MONTGOMERY COUNTY, VA to marry Margaret Cline. A James Addair who ran a ferry over the NEW RIVER around the Radford or Narrows area signed as David's surety. Many folks say James Addair, who was in the New River area at least by 1773, was David's guardian. I am not sure about that. This James Addair was born abt. 1750 and is NOT the famous James Adair, Indian Trader and author of ADAIR'S HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN INDIANS, 1775. That Adair was in NC & SC & b. abt 1709...Descendants of this James Addair of New River have a tradition of Cherokee in this line...not sure if its James Addair or Kirby line his daughter married into. His descendants have been unable to find his parents/family of origin, as well.


When you say MONTGOMERY COUNTY, I think THE NEW RIVER AREA. Some interesting folks around there at that time, such as Richard & George Pearris(spelled various ways) & Hugh Caperton. All heavily involved in the Indian Trade. Richard Pearris brought the Cherokee on the Sandy Creek expedition, worked early in the Winchester area, & then was seated in South Carolina, I believe.... He had an Indian family and was given land down there by the Cherokee.

Supposedly David & Peggy Mounts went to the Tug area as soon as they were married, but the first record I pick up is a FLOYD COUNTY KENTUCKY land grant in 1821. Very soon after that, David's land records start showing up in old Cabell & then LOGAN COUNTY VIRGINIA. This is probably just across the river. His land appears to be along the river....and finally on our BEECH CREEK of Tug River.

Up the river a ways in Wayne County in the late 1890's Sarah Mounts Wilson's grandson's, Hiram & Jackson Wilson, petitioned the Cherokee Nation for membership naming Sarah's Cherokee relations as 'Old John Mounts, Woodall, & Raincrow." While the petitions were discovered in the Wayne County Courthouse, no other record or disposition of the Wilson brothers' Cherokee claims has been found.

Not many records for Logan County prior to 1850 or so. I have been watching Mounts/Mountz/Mounce folks on the frontier for awhile and I have yet to get any solid evidence of David Mounts family of origin. Many researchers have been combing around for orphan's bonds, etc. with no luck. Just lots of stories so far....

I did find an AOFP in 1790 census of Cecil County, Maryland by the name of Alexander Mounts. Alexander is a common name among David's descendants. This was in Octoraro Hundreds and he was surrounded by a host of AOFP. I don't know what Octoraro Creek was like in 1790, but early on it was a site for the old Susquehanna Fort & then in the early 1700's the site reputedly of a Shawnee village. By the mid 1800's I have been told that it was heavily populated by blacks. I lose this Alexander after 1790. An Alexander posp up in Fleming County KY about 10 years later.

Yes, your pattern does look familliar to me!!!!

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

Brenda,

I have a book here titled "West Virginia Clines and Connecting Families" by Marlin Cline & Eula Conley. It touches on all the names you mentioned plus my Collins line. Meredith owned much of that land along the Tug Fork of Big Sandy River bordering the two states. Not sure but believe the land was on both sides thus being in both states. The book has a section on the MOUNTS so I will try to dig it out of my files and post the information.

Sons of Meredith ,William, John, Edward, and Archibald were taken to court and charged by their father of "stealing his lands".
William built a grist mill on Tug Fork and brother, John W. (my line)and Williams son, William Jr. lived close by. They all worked together, floating logs down river. Archibald , a tanner of hides, settled in what is Roane Co. today( old Logan) on Collins Creek. I am still looking for the exact location of Collins Creek. Edward moved his family over the border to Buckannon Co. Va. but came back to land at War Eagle, in Mingo Co.

Lamberts:
These are marriages in the William Collins family with Lamberts:

William Collins JR. married Nancy Lambert d/o Phillip Lambert & Rebecca Morgan

Lucinda Collins married Issac M. Lambert s/o Phillip Lambert & Rebecca Morgan

Lousia Collins married Hiram Lambert s/o Phillip Lambert & Rebecca Morgan

Also from William's Sr. family:
Matilda Collins married Jacob Cline s/o William Cline & Hanna Clevenger

Louemma Collins married Thomas Edward Wilson s/o Thomas Wilson and Mary Morton

I still believe that Crystal was correct when she says that the Big Sandy River area was settled by Indians or mixed bloods.

[Bill Childs]

Hi Brenda Sampsel,
My Mounts (marr'd into at least two of my lines) and Morgans (g-Grandmother) came out of central Ky in early 1800s but their origins are yet to be discovered.
Note: By the mid to late 1800s, Virginia had dispensed with the "mulatto" and "other" terms and listed everyone who was not "white", as "black", hence all the "blacks" that took over that village you mentioned. In some areas of Virginia, there were census takers less agreeable with that "white power" concept, who left the race column blank ("Monacans and Miners", Samuel R. Cook, c.2000, Univ of Nebraska Press - available from Continuity Press).
In Horace Rice's "The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee", he contrasts the surnames found in Amherst Co., Va., among people calling themselves Cherokee in the Buffalo Ridge area, to surnames found on various Cherokee Rolls and lists. Then, Rice goes on to say that he didn't interview any of the Buffalo Ridge people. Cook did interview numerous Bear Mountain people, living next door to Buffalo Ridge and they consistently claimed to be Monacan, eastern Sioux. One really needs to read "Monacans and Miners" and Waddell's "Annals of Augusta County Virginia" for a convincing reason why these Buffaloe Ridge people came to believe they were Cherokee and draw your own conclusions. My take is that Waddell didn't know the early Native history of that area and Rice got the tail to wag his dog - I think the Amherst people who were Monacan, went south instead of Cherokee going north to settle. Yes, I'm aware of the Big Sandy expedition and also aware that these Cherokee are reported to have gone back south. (Yes, there are always stragglers, but there were no females in the group so this doesn't refute known facts.) Something to consider, nevertheless.
Bill

[Bill Childs]

Welcome, Matsane !
Are your Turmans the John Turman in 1810 & 1820 Floyd Co., Ky?
Are your Bryants the 1820 Sullivan Co., Ind Josiah Bryant family or the one still in Green Co., Ky?
After the holiday, I'll see what I have on early S.C. - must have something from there !
Bill

[Matsane]

:rolleyes: Well, it took me four years to get back here to reply to these messages. I didn't even realize they were here until I found them by accident the other day.

I've found new information on my Bryants. My Josiah seems to have moved from Montgomery Co., VA sometime around 1800 and is in Montgomery Co., Kentucky in 1810. In 1820 he is in Floyd Co., KY. He probably didn't move very far during that time. The area of Montgomery Co. where he lived became part of Floyd Co., then eventually became Wolfe Co. Josiah's wife, Lydia Ratliff, apparently died somewhere in that time frame because in 1819 Josiah married the widow Elizabeth O'Hair in Floyd Co. Their marriage didn't last very long. In 1822 Elizabeth sold her land in Floyd Co. and was still going by Bryant. After the divorce she took back the name of O'Hair.

Most of Josiah's sons seem to have ended up in Indiana. The exception that we know of is Ambrose, who stayed in the Montgomery/Floyd, VA area.

Before Montgomery Co., VA we found Josiah in Patrick & Henry counties in Virginia. Same general area. Our quest now is to find out just when Josiah came from S. Carolina to Virginia. We know he was probably married at least once before he married Lydia Ratliff because Lydia was too young to have been Ambrose's mother.

We're still trying to determine who Josiah's parents were. When I posted before I said that his father's name was Charles. That was some misinformation I had been given. Charles is from the French Huegonot line and we've proved through DNA that our Bryants originated in Ireland. What they did after they got here, and who the first immigrant was, is the big question.

Matsane:D

[scylar148]

I have Bryant in my family that were cherokee from the Buck head or bolten community in N.C.
Possiblely some relations?
Great gradmother Lucy Bryant born 9/1850 died 7/6/1932 half cherokee from the community of cherokee mentioned.
Sincerely

[Matsane]

I have been seriously looking at Cherokee Bryants as a possibility. Especially since Josiah was supposed to have grown up in South Carolina. And the area of Virginia where he lived was very close to the North Carolina border. I have a friend who has Bryants who were Cherokee and have received e-mail from others. At this point I just don't know. Josiah was born about 1750. I may have to look at more recent Cherokee Bryants and backtrack to see who they descend from.

[Matsane]

Bill,

I'm descended from the 1820 Sullivan Co., Indiana Josiah Bryant. He was the son of the Josiah Bryant from S.C., VA and KY.

I'm not sure how John Turman fits into the family but Josiah (Jr.) married Mary Turman, daughter of Benjamin Turman Jr. & Sarah Harbour.




Welcome, Matsane !
Are your Turmans the John Turman in 1810 & 1820 Floyd Co., Ky?
Are your Bryants the 1820 Sullivan Co., Ind Josiah Bryant family or the one still in Green Co., Ky?
After the holiday, I'll see what I have on early S.C. - must have something from there !
Bill

[Matsane]

For those who might be interested, I put together a census index for the different spelling variations of the Bryant surname. It for Virginia and Kentucky from 1790 thru 1850. It's on our new website at http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~ourbryants

It was while compiling the index that I found my Josiah Bryant Sr. in 1810. Hope it helps some of you.

Matsane

[anitabingamon]

My Great-grandmother Gibson's maiden name was Bryant, and I was told that she was part Cherokee by my dad, who passed away about 12 years ago.

I am now being told that she was part French - which I had never heard before. I heard that her DIL, my grandmother Allie Logan Gibson, was part French. But then again, I am getting so that I can't rely on Dad's family to tell me the truth, as they like to paint pretty pictures of what our ancestry is. They about die if the word "Melungeon" is used if it has anything to do with them.

Thanks for confirming the theory that Bryant is a Cherokee name. I can only trace my Bryants as far as Minor Bryant and Nancy Rose - no names, no date.

Anita B. aka Sparrow

[Matsane]

One of the things I've discovered is that people who had Indian blood but were trying to pass as white used several designations to explain their darker skin. French is one of those designations. So is Black Dutch and Black Irish.
Sure makes it difficult to know for sure when we're doing our research.

[quest for facts]

I have Bryant as well from southern Virginia and NE North carolina

[anitabingamon]

OMGoodness. Dad may have been right all along. He used to say things just to be the Devil's Advocate, to stir trouble, but when he told me his grandmother was part Cherokee, he was serious, telling the truth. He was crazy about his grandmother and wouldn't lie about her. Her Gr-Grandmother was Mary Bryant, born 1785-1790 in either SC or VA, death date was January of 1871. Her partner/husband was John Polly, b. 1785 in VA, dying in 1856. I don't have anything else on these two, and wonder if John Polly's last name was Polly or Bryant, and why the kids took her name and not his.

Thanks for replying!

Anita B. aka Sparrow

[rogers_va]

I have greatgrandmother Mary Jane Bryant Born Sept 1868 her husband Jasper Newton Rogers born April 1865 Estill Co,Ky or VA.....
My father told me his mother Betty Jane(Meadows)Rogers was full blood indian......born Powell Co,Ky

[Matsane]

My father's first wife was a Meadows. Her family definitely had Cherokee in it. My brother has a book on the Meadows history with pictures of his female Cherokee ancestor. If I remember the details correctly, this Meadows family was one of the Texas Cherokee settlers. The family ran trading posts and migrated to southwestern Colorado (the Four Corners area).


My father told me his mother Betty Jane(Meadows)Rogers was full blood indian......born Powell Co,Ky

[Matsane]

We have established a DNA connection between our Bryant line and that of Morgan Bryan. I'm not sure how close the connection is but there is definitely a relationship. According to our Bryant history, Josiah was well acquainted with the Boone family. Montgomery Co., KY, where Josiah Sr. lived in 1810, is fairly close to Morgan Station. Morgan Bryan had a brother who stayed in Virginia, in the Botetourt Co. area. I would love to locate the brothers descendants.



Daniel Boone's father-in-law Morgan Bryan was involved very heavily in the Conestoga Indian trade along with some Linville brothers. They all moved from PA into the Valley of Virginia and then some time around 1750 moved to the forks of the YADKIN area in NC......this is what Ramsey refers to as the "Carolina Cradle" between the Catawba & Yadkin rivers...... I've often wondered if one way surnames came into Indian communities was through their relationships with families who were in the Indian Trade.....Anyway, several of the very earliest settlers in this area where Indian traders.

[Matsane]

Do you know anything about Lucy Bryant's siblings? We would love to have a direct male descendant from this line participate in the Bryant/O'Bryant DNA project. This is the line that first got me started looking at the possibility of my Bryants being Cherokee.



I have Bryant in my family that were cherokee from the Buck head or bolten community in N.C.
Possiblely some relations?
Great gradmother Lucy Bryant born 9/1850 died 7/6/1932 half cherokee from the community of cherokee mentioned.
Sincerely

[Dreaminghawk]

I'm sorry that I missed this when it first came around..... but for Rogers, Meadows and Newton origins look east of the cherokee to tidewater Va. These families have been together since the late 1600s. They have their roots in Nansemand territory, by the 1750s they are in Old Granville Co, NC marrying Shakori and Eno saponi, by early 1800s they have migrated to Ky, Tn, Ga, Ak, Tx and other points..... no doubt continuing to marry indians and mixed bloods wherever they go. Please search this forum for these surnames because much research has been posted on this migratory group. These are my people who I lovingly call "the Shakerag indians"

[Red Metis]

I also have a Bryant, Jane, born around 1830, in the family as my g-g-g-grandmother out of North Carolina. Her family was supposed to be Choctaw (or this is at least how my grandfather ID himself--his father's family was Saponi/Catawba).

[sammarroq]

Wow Brenda!!!

You are probably familiar with Henry Clay Ragland's HISTORY OF LOGAN COUNTY. He is not altogether reliable as most of his informants were probably the grandchildren of his subjects. However, this is what he has to say about David Mounts, my Blackfoot & Cherokee (per my late grandpa Harry Steele of Beech Creek)4th great grandfather. By the way, Ragland hated Indians.

"The daughter of Peter Cline, Sr., whose name was Margaret, married David Mounts, a young man who came to the Tug Valley a short time after Cline had settled there. It is not known where he came from, but it is believed from the name that he is a descendant of a Portuguese family by the name of Mounts, which settled in South Carolina about 1750, and some of whom served under Sumpter in the War of the Revolution." David's children marired into the Blankenships, Steeles, Spratts, Clines, Charles, Christian & Hurley families of the Tug River Valley.

I have NEVER been able to ID David's exact Mounts family, although I have found some interesting Mounts at the edge of the early frontier. One line has legends that they are French, but I feel pretty comfortable that they are descended from an Indian Trading family that came with the New Sweden Colony and was in Cecil County MD (near Chester, PA) before moving on with the frontier. I did find a George and a Barnabus Mounts in old Ninety Six District of South Carolina no township listed about 1779. Ninety Six was a trading center and on the trading path. The other thing that strikes me about the 1750 date is that it is about the time some old traders from PA including Morgan Bryan moved to the trading ford at the forks of the Yadkin in North Carolina. The "Carolina Cradle" settled is formed by the Yadkin & Catawba. The customers/suppliers/Indians had been moving out of the Susquehanna area for some time, first to the Potomac area, and then to the Ohio lands.....wonder if they had customers/suppliers in the Yadkin? I think there was a general migration out of Virginia around 1750 or so, however, for various reasons. (Perhaps the Fairfax suits??? Opening hostilities with the French & Indian war? I'll have to check the dates.)

According to heresay, David was born in the Clinch River settlements around 1785. His PURPORTED sister , Sarah Mounts Wilson, wife of James Wilson (children married into Balls & Lamberts, I believe) who settled in the Wayne County area of WVA was reportedly born in Maryland some years earlier. They were purportedly in the TN/NC area for a short while, too. There is talk that they were in the Jackson River settlement in the Bath County, VA area for awhile, too. There were some Mounts in the Clinch river area early 1770's, but records are scanty. (John, Mathias, & Absolum. I think at least one of them might have moved over from the Otter Creek area. It looks like they may have gone on to Kentucky.)

The first real documentary evidence of MY David Mount's existence is his 1809 marriage bond in MONTGOMERY COUNTY, VA to marry Margaret Cline. A James Addair who ran a ferry over the NEW RIVER around the Radford or Narrows area signed as David's surety. Many folks say James Addair, who was in the New River area at least by 1773, was David's guardian. I am not sure about that. This James Addair was born abt. 1750 and is NOT the famous James Adair, Indian Trader and author of ADAIR'S HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN INDIANS, 1775. That Adair was in NC & SC & b. abt 1709...Descendants of this James Addair of New River have a tradition of Cherokee in this line...not sure if its James Addair or Kirby line his daughter married into. His descendants have been unable to find his parents/family of origin, as well.


When you say MONTGOMERY COUNTY, I think THE NEW RIVER AREA. Some interesting folks around there at that time, such as Richard & George Pearris(spelled various ways) & Hugh Caperton. All heavily involved in the Indian Trade. Richard Pearris brought the Cherokee on the Sandy Creek expedition, worked early in the Winchester area, & then was seated in South Carolina, I believe.... He had an Indian family and was given land down there by the Cherokee.

Supposedly David & Peggy Mounts went to the Tug area as soon as they were married, but the first record I pick up is a FLOYD COUNTY KENTUCKY land grant in 1821. Very soon after that, David's land records start showing up in old Cabell & then LOGAN COUNTY VIRGINIA. This is probably just across the river. His land appears to be along the river....and finally on our BEECH CREEK of Tug River.

Up the river a ways in Wayne County in the late 1890's Sarah Mounts Wilson's grandson's, Hiram & Jackson Wilson, petitioned the Cherokee Nation for membership naming Sarah's Cherokee relations as 'Old John Mounts, Woodall, & Raincrow." While the petitions were discovered in the Wayne County Courthouse, no other record or disposition of the Wilson brothers' Cherokee claims has been found.

Not many records for Logan County prior to 1850 or so. I have been watching Mounts/Mountz/Mounce folks on the frontier for awhile and I have yet to get any solid evidence of David Mounts family of origin. Many researchers have been combing around for orphan's bonds, etc. with no luck. Just lots of stories so far....

I did find an AOFP in 1790 census of Cecil County, Maryland by the name of Alexander Mounts. Alexander is a common name among David's descendants. This was in Octoraro Hundreds and he was surrounded by a host of AOFP. I don't know what Octoraro Creek was like in 1790, but early on it was a site for the old Susquehanna Fort & then in the early 1700's the site reputedly of a Shawnee village. By the mid 1800's I have been told that it was heavily populated by blacks. I lose this Alexander after 1790. An Alexander posp up in Fleming County KY about 10 years later.

Yes, your pattern does look familliar to me!!!!

This thread is loaded with Mounts/Ratliff info...

[beeleaf]

What a coincidence. Recently found some of my folks (them daggone Foleys) mixed in with the Bryants and aforementioned Meadows, Newton, etc. According to the tribe's historian (Bill Deyo), who is also a Bryant descendant, ours are Patawomeck (aka Potomac).

Brother Ken, we have GOT to stop meeting like this. ;~)

not!

[Kira_Leigh]

Yes one of Nannie Bowling's middle names is Keziah which is probably after her several greats grandmother that married a Bryant.

[Barbara Adair Bauer]

Have been trying to locate these guys (see Brenda Ferrell Sampsel's message above), and resorted to the LDS microfilm of Cabell Co. tax lists, since John Addair was on the tax list in 1815, and the census in 1820 (as John Odair). Cabell County was formed in 1809 from Kanawha. John Addair was my ggg grandfather, and a son of the James Addair who signed David Mounts' marriage bond.

John Adair first appears on the Cabell County tax list in 1811, when there are two adult males listed under his name. None of his children were anywhere near grownup at that point. David Mounts first appears in 1812, when John Adair ("Odare" now) is listed with just one adult male. It's tempting to assume they were listed together in 1811.

David Mounts appears in 1813 and 1814, is absent in 1815 and 1816, and then is found in 1817 through 1823, where I stopped. The lower half of Cabell County became Logan County in 1824, and I think that's where they were, but I'll check a few more years of the list next week. I think Logan County info is pretty sparse since that's one of the courthouses damaged in the Civil War.

John Adair is found from 1811 through 1818, spelled variously (Adair, Odare, Odear, Addair). He shows up again in 1820, but is missing 1821-1823. I know he's on the tax list of Lawrence Co., Ky in 1823 - across the Big Sandy River from Logan County, VA. Since Lawrence was formed from Floyd County in 1822, he may turn up in Floyd in 1821 and 1822.

Throughout the 1809-1823 period there various other usual suspects: Clines, Collins, a few Trents, Farleys, Ferrells, Gwinns, and an Alexander Gibson. I need to go back and look again for James Wilson, since David's possible sister Sarah Mounts married him - they're supposed to be in Wayne Co., which also came from Cabell. Forgot that.

Beats crossword puzzles, at least.

[Barbara Adair Bauer]

David doesn't show up on the 1820 census if you do a search on "David Mounts," but, since that census is alphabetical, it's easy to look at the "M"s.

Cabell Co. M33 Roll 130 p. 172 looks like

David Mountz 5 1 _ _ 1 _ 1 _ _ 1 _ _ 1

(man and wife aged 26-45, 6 boys, 1 girl, 1 person engaged in agriculture)

Cecil Cline, in Peter Cline, Revolutionary Soldier and His Descendants lists 5 sons and one daughter born by 1820 (David's wife was Margaret Cline).

Mounts is spelled with a "z" on the 1817 tax record also...

[Barbara Adair Bauer]

David Mounts has an 1821 125 acre land grant on the left hand fork of Sandy River in Cabell County here:

http://image.lva.virginia.gov/LONN/LO-7/136/136_0203.tif

second page here:

http://image.lva.virginia.gov/LONN/LO-7/136/136_0204.tif

[Lynzey]

A distant cousin and descendant of Sarah Mounts & James Wilson just contacted me last night on Facebook. He is descended from another son of Allen Wilson and told me that his ancestor had moved out to Newton Co, MO close to the border of the Inidan Territory. Allen's sons Hiram & Jackson were not the only ones to apply for citizenship. "Their brothers - Harvey D Wilson and Harmon Wilson seem to have applied also. If anyone is interested their case number is 5501 and includes Martha J Vaughan and James Ball."
Tonight he sent me the link for their applications from the Bureau of Indian Affairs at the Archives:

http://www.archive.org/stream/applicationsfrom0054unit#page/n433/mode/2up

It contains 50 pages and does add more information than what we had previously known...

Lynzey

[Barbara Adair Bauer]

It certainly does! Wow, thanks!

[Lynzey]

Barbara,
Are you a Wilson/Mounts descendant also?? If so, through which one of their children...contact me via home email:
GeneaBug at suddenlink dot net

Lynda Logan
5th g-granddaughter of Sarah & James through their daughter Sarah who m. Robert Ball

[techteach]

I don't know the history of this ancestor, but I have a Pamela Mount, born in 1810 in PA, married a Carpenter.

[Linda]

Is there more detail about the Mounts family given in their application?

[Barbara Adair Bauer]

Yes, it's stated several places that Sarah Mounts (spelled Mounce or Mounse in these applications) was born in 1780 on the Potomac River, Frederick County, Maryland. That fits in with some of the Mounts that Brenda Sampsel has traced.

They don't say who her parents were, but do say she and David Mounts were considered Cherokee (some of the statements hedge on that, and at least one says something more along the lines of "related to the Indians." And one statement says explicitly that David and Sarah are brother and sister.

It's a great set of documents.

[Linda]

My Ezra Hudson was born the same year, same locale. We found some really exciting historical data confirming a Saponi/Tutelo presence there. There was a town near there in what's now Dagsboro, Delaware that was originally part of Maryland, and called Blackfoot Town (an ID running through my and TechTeach's families). The Tutelo are noted as having taking part in an attempted uprising against the British around 1720.

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=593&perpage=15&highlight=dagsbury&pagenumber=2

Techteach, did you see the last post on this thread, from last July by TomHillDescendant? Did you say sometimes your Hustons were spelled Hutson?

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?1610-Hudsons-in-Sussex-County-Maryland&highlight=my+hudsons

Here's some pictures of some of my family from there:

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?331-I-think-we-can-say-my-Hudsons-had-Native-ancestry&highlight=Hudsons

[techteach]

I read that about Hutson and Huston online, but I have not record of it happening in my family. They did interchange Huston and Houston.
We have come to believe that Hustons were from PA, since they are listed with the Sinkeys on the Rev War roster. There is also a Hustonville, PA very near where they were from.
We do not know where the Sinkeys were from but the family they married into, McCartney, came from Baltimore. One of my Potter family line, Davis, comes from Sussex, DE. There is no record that any come from around Millsboro; however, a couple of the surnames connected with the family who move to Eastern IA are found there among the Nanticoke tribe: Street and Clark.

Techteach

[Barbara Adair Bauer]

FREDERICK COUNTY, VA - CENSUS - Taxlist of Col. Holmes 1782
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Mounts, Saml 4 (whites)

http://files.usgwarchives.net/va/frederick/census/1782/1782tax04.txt

When James Addair was made guardian of David Mounts, he was said to be "orphan of Samuel Mounts."

[Barbara Adair Bauer]

Oops, that's Frederick County, Virginia. Darn.

Once again, Barbara runs off half-cocked.

[cherosage]

I have a G...Grandpa named Isaac Bryant Putney on the Buckingham, CO VA District #1, 1850 census. He was 35 yrs old at this time. He married a Nancy Wilson. Isaac was a Millwright. His mother was a Bryant. they were all of NDN and English lineage.

[Brenda Ferrell Sampsel]

I know it has been a long time since I've posted, but life has been rather challenging to say the least. This good news- a primary source- Grandson James who knew his Grandmother Sarah- stg. that David & Sarah are brother & sister is too good for me not to peak my head out from under that rock where it's been buried, though.....

Here's a little more I found building on that in Eastern Cherokee Applications.

Eastern Cherokee Application # 42625 of Charles Ball: (His father was James Ball, son of Sarah Wilson Ball who was daughter of Sarah Mounts Wilson.) States mother is "Caroline Walker".
"I am a descendant of Sarah Mounts whose father was a ...full blood Cherokee." 24 August 1907. Address: Joplin, Missouri
"Myself and my father lived in the Nation as white people by the whites and as Indians by the Cherokees. My father was claimed by the tribe as a Cherokee. It was through negligence that he was not enrolled. Grandparents were from Virginia. I am living at Miamia in the Nation or Oklahoma now. 1834-1835 in Virginia. Indians- not slaves. Charles Ball". Commissioner Notes: Residence Miami, Oklahoma
Cousin of Application # 42620

[Brenda Ferrell Sampsel]

FREDERICK COUNTY, VA - CENSUS - Taxlist of Col. Holmes 1782
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Mounts, Saml 4 (whites)

http://files.usgwarchives.net/va/frederick/census/1782/1782tax04.txt

When James Addair was made guardian of David Mounts, he was said to be "orphan of Samuel Mounts."

Barbara, Have you had any luck figuring out what area of Frederick Col. Holmes lived?

[Barbara Adair Bauer]

Brenda, I'm so happy to hear from you! I was afraid you had fallen off the edge of the earth.

No, I haven't looked yet - I was thinking it was the wrong state, but I guess a Samuel Mounts in Frederick County, VA is better than none. Checking in a rush just now - the Binns genealogy tax lists for Frederick Co. 1782 have Samuel Mounts listed on Throckmorton's list (don't know what that's about).

He's listed 1790-1795 on William Eskridge's list. In 1794 and 1795 there's also a John Mounts. That list is half the county, so it's not much help pinning down a location.

I'll look more thoroughly tomorrow and let you know what shows up.

[Barbara Adair Bauer]

Based on the Virginia personal property tax lists at Binns binnsgenealogy.com/ Samuel Mounts was in Frederick County most years 1782 through 1801. I didn't find him in 1783, 1800, or 1802 (1802 is the last year Binns shows). John Mounts first appeared in 1789, then again in 1794, and appears to be near Samuel most years from then until 1800. I didn't find John Mounts after 1800.

During this time Samuel had as many as 7 horses and as few as 2, and never had any slaves.

Trying to pin down where in Frederick County he was, I looked up names of men who are close to him on the 1782 list, and who paid their taxes near the same day in 1789. The best guess I can come up with is Back Creek, on the west side of North Mountain (emphasis on the "guess" part). This would be NW of Winchester, VA.

Here's the Wikipedia description of Back Creek"


Back Creek is a tributary of the Potomac River that flows north from Frederick County, Virginia to Berkeley County in West Virginia's Eastern Panhandle. Back Creek originates along Frederick County's border with Hampshire County, West Virginia at Farmer's Gap in the Great North Mountain. Its name reflects its location to the west of North Mountain. The perspective of colonists from the east in the 18th century led them to call it "Back Creek", because it lay to the back of North Mountain.


This is mostly based on grants to Adam Snapp, Joseph Bridges, George Holt and John Hancher.

Last fall I spent some time looking through loose paper files in the Montgomery County Courthouse in Christiansburg, and ran across another mention of David Mounts (spelled Mounce this time). It was an 1804 Common Law court case in which James Addair Jr. sued John Cooper because he failed to pay him for some hogs. James issued a summons for David Mounce to testify in his behalf (along with Ephraim Johnston, John Addair (his brother and my ggg grandfather) Joseph Davis and Henry Smith. The only testimony included in the bundle of papers was from John Addair. If it's the same David it's not surprising he didn't testify - he would have been too young to be a legal witness.

At any rate, it appears to put David in Montgomery County a little earlier, and in company with the Addairs.

[Barbara Adair Bauer]

Also this, from Cartmell's History of Frederick County, page 90:

Nov. 2 1779
Sarah Mounts, widow of Richard Mounts, a soldier in the Continental Line, allowed pension. Nov. 2 1779

[shirley778446]

I have the name Bryant also as an ancestor, my Bryants are connecteced to these families
Cowan,Srewart. Dillart, Fisher and many others, they came from Pa,Va,KY,TN. Ark, these families along with the Gollihar and Huffman families traveled together and ended up in Arkansas later on alot of them traved to Texas.
any help appreciated

thank you
shirley
918-962-3479
shirley778446@yahoo.com