Blackfoot/Cherokee/Saponi

[fyost]

My great grandmother was Rebecca Edwards she was born in 1868 in Carroll County Virginia. Her family lived in the Fancy Gap, VA area and in Mount Airy, NC area. She was full blooded Indian. One of her daughters told me she was Cherokee. I have also been told that one of her children said they were Blackfoot. She definitely had Indian features. From what I have been able to piece together her and her brother, George, were taken in by the Edwards family where they had been living in the woods and raised as white. I have heard she had an Indian name but no one remembers it. She married William Raleigh Davis in 1888. I have read that the Blackfoot in this area may actually be Saponi. Any clues would be appreciated.

[Linda]

Welcome, Fyost and thanks for contributing your info. The Blackfoot ID is not uncommon in that area, and likely indicates VA Siouan heritage. The family stories about two lost Indian children found in the woods with Indian names is probably a bit exaggerated. By 1860 any VA Siouan still living in Virginia had been anglicized for three or four generations or more (we were disrupted in 1676 and dispersed by 1720) so the family story may be covering something more along the lines of a marriage with a family that at that point may have been categorized as "colored" (Indians were legislated out of existence hereabouts early on -- there were only two races recognized, white and black). Also be suspect that the Edwards family and others they were intermarried with were mixed blooded themselves. These families tended to congregate together. This heritage was persecuted through the years and people took a lot of understable cover to survive.

[Dreaminghawk]

Welcome home, Fyost. My father's family came from Carroll and Floyd cos, VA. I'm about convinced that ALL my father's surnames were mixed bloods by 1700. My lines lived in Indian Valley, Buffalo Mtn, and Little Reed Creek. I have some excellent books on early Carroll co settlers and a complete cemetery listing. (700 pages) If you will post all you know (names, dates etc) on the Share Genealogy forum, there are several researchers here to help sort things out. Also read Linda's "Other Blackfoot" article on Saponitown home page.
Becky and I are doing some research for one of the venders on the powwow circuit. She is an Edwards. Davis is also a quite common mixed blood name. (If you have Carroll co ancestors, we are probably cousins ;-)

[scylar148]

My great grand mother was cherokee indian and lived in Nash county North Carolina. Her name was Lillie Norwood and she married Charlie Alston.
I looking for some one who had some Norwoods in their family.

Hope to hear from some cherokee Norwoods of Nash County, N.C.!!!

[Dreaminghawk]

Skylar, I have an index of all the various Cherokee rolls that we got at the Chickahominy powwow this past weekend. No individual with the surnames Norwood or Alston has been indexed on any cherokee roll. It is quite likely that your ggma WAS indian but more likely she was from one of the eastern VA/NC tribes that we are studying. If you would post what info you have (names and dates) on the Share Genealogy forum, there are several researchers who will help you track down the truth.

[debrasimkin]

Hi everyone, I was excited to find this site. I recently decided to try and piece together my mother's side of the family. I was her last child at 37, so I did not have any grandparents on her side left. She did have 1 brother and her mother's sister was alive until I was 10. I will start with the story as it was told to me growing up, and then give you what I have found. My mother always said that we were decendents of a Indian Chief of the Blackfoot tribe. I would ask how many greats? She would say 4. She said the Indian Maiden married a Cox from TN and that the Indian Maiden was buried in Southern MO near Osceola. Then not to much before she past away and right after her brother did, we were talking and she said that my Uncle told her that we were not Blackfoot, but Cherokee. I asked how could the two of you have such different perpectives on their heritage, but she did not know. Soo.. What I have found out (really not alot).

Her mother Una Belle Barker was born in Deepwater, Henry, MO.1893. Una had two siblings Charles S. Barker b.1895 and Snow Edith Barker b. 1896.

Una, Charles and Snows parents were Thomas Lawson Barker b. 1862 MO and Ida May Cox b.1875 MO.

Thomas Lawson Barker parents were William Barker b. VA and Mary Moore b. VA. This is as far back as I know for the Barkers.

Ida May Cox parents were Henry Cox b.1829 ILL. and Mary Catherine Harvey b.1844 KY

Henry Cox parents were William Cox b. 1804 NC (place of birth is not for sure NC is what Henry put on census), and Jane Hohimer b. 1801 KY. They were married in ILL 1829 and came to Benton County, MO in 1838.

Mary Catherine Harvey parents were Henry b. 1827 KY and Debby Unknown b. 1828 TN.

William Cox parents are unknow at this time and Jane Hohimer father was Henry Hohimer b. 1758 place unknown

When I found this site I thought maybe this might be where I belong, I am not sure where to go from here. Any ideas? Do any names work? Would very much appreciate any info or thoughts. Thanks Debra Simkin

[techteach]

Hey, Debra,
Welcome. Most of us have a similar story.
Please post your names and dates in the genealogy thread. Someone might be able to help you there. Cox is a name I run into frequently as I dabble in genealogy.

Techteach

[Dreaminghawk]

Hey Debra and welcome. I carry on the lines of 3 of Ambrose Cox' daughters who lived in the New River area of Va. My wife, Becky, and I both have Moore lines. (btw... my grandma was a Simpkins) It is quite likely that you will discover that you have MANY lines that were mixedbloods. Saponitown is the best place online to explore and discover the truth. Welcome home.

[quest for facts]

Scylar,
What part of Nash County? My grandmother was born in St. Mary's Parish in Nash County, NC. My grandmother was also indian from the Moore/Etheridge/Pridgen family lines. There are many people in Nash who say Cherokee but I doubt it's Cherokee. I have been searching on and off for 16 years and to date I have located only one Cherokee in all the counties of Nash, Wilson and Edgecombe. This Cherokee lady moved to NC from Arkansas in the early 1900's. Her name was Clarice and I knew her very briefly but I know her children, grandchildren and great grandchildren as they are my kin from my Etheridge lines. I was not however related to Clarice herself at least not by blood. Their are some lines of the Alston family that have Tuscarora bloodlines. Other than the Alston who did the Norwoods marry into? Perhaps the Woodard, Rogers, Barnes or Jordan families???? What about the Etheridges or the Webbs or Varnells???? All of these families have native bloodlines some Saponi, some Nottoway, some Tuscarora, some Nansemond, some Meherrin. Then there are the Bass family and the Daniel family from this area too. These families were married into each other constantly but I have not run into any Norwood's in our circle that is why I ask you who they married? Did they marry the Bailey maybe?? This area has many families of mixed blood you name it it's all over the place. I betcha she was indian but I seriouly doubt Cherokee. You know I really hate telling people that but with all the research I have done that is the only conclusion that is logical to make. See people of that area have been told Iroquois and the Cherokee are indeed Iroquois but so are the Nottoway and Tuscarora and Nash County lies in Tuscarora country. White man's history says all the Tuscarora left North Carolina but Tuscarora history says something completely different oh we are there and there in great numbers we just blended into the population. In my family alone there are over 70 of us which spans 5 generations still living all carrying Nottoway and Tuscarora blood. If we can help you in your research let us know.
Linda

[fyost]

I appreciate everyone that has responded and will respond to my search:
my great grandmother was Rebecca Elizabeth Edwards (pronounced Ederds) she was born July 20, 1868 in Stokes County or Surry Co NC, she died August 15, 1952 in Mt Airy NC, she was married September 19, 1888 in Carroll County, VA. she married William Raleigh (Rawley) Davis. They lived in Fancy Gap,VA and Wythe Co, VA among other places. In a Quaker book on the Davis family it says her father was Effon Edwin. I have always been told it was Eben Edwards. Family say she had an Indian name but no one remembers it. Her brother George and her may have been taken in by a white family according to what I've been told. My great aunt, Her youngest daughter told me before she died that Rebecca was Cherokee and her mother's mothers name was Rhoda Davis, we have been told it was Lydia Dunagin. Due to her advanced age and hearing condition that was all I could find out. A cousin of mine says my grandfather said that his mother was blackfoot Indian. Unfortunately, our Indian heritage was kept secret and everyone in my family that may have known the truth has passed away.

William Rawley (Raleigh) Davis was born June 18, 1867 in Tazewell Co VA, died April 15 1939 Pilot Mountain in Surry Co NC, he was the son of
Andrew (Andy) C. Davis and Nancy (Minnie) Felts;

I have been told that the Allens and Easters of Carroll County/Surry County area are kin too.

[fyost]

Thanks for your response, I have posted some the names of the family as you suggested.

[Mary Gooch]

My great grandmother was Rebecca Edwards she was born in 1868 in Carroll County Virginia. Her family lived in the Fancy Gap, VA area and in Mount Airy, NC area. She was full blooded Indian. One of her daughters told me she was Cherokee. I have also been told that one of her children said they were Blackfoot. She definitely had Indian features. From what I have been able to piece together her and her brother, George, were taken in by the Edwards family where they had been living in the woods and raised as white. I have heard she had an Indian name but no one remembers it. She married William Raleigh Davis in 1888. I have read that the Blackfoot in this area may actually be Saponi. Any clues would be appreciated.
,Y GREATGRANDMOTHER WAS MARGARET JANE EDWARDS I THAINK SHE WAS REEBECCA SISTER MARGARET MARRIED HILLARY PEELE HER FATHER WAS EBEN EDWARDS AND HER MOTHER WAS LYDIA DNAGIN LET ME HEAR FROM YOU AND LETS TALK
MARY GOOCH

[Mary Gooch]

My G- Grandmother Was Margaret Jane Edwards Born 1850 In Surry Co. Nc I Belive That Your Rebecca Was Her Sister
Mar Gooch

[measter]

I appreciate everyone that has responded and will respond to my search:
my great grandmother was Rebecca Elizabeth Edwards (pronounced Ederds) she was born July 20, 1868 in Stokes County or Surry Co NC, she died August 15, 1952 in Mt Airy NC, she was married September 19, 1888 in Carroll County, VA. she married William Raleigh (Rawley) Davis. They lived in Fancy Gap,VA and Wythe Co, VA among other places. In a Quaker book on the Davis family it says her father was Effon Edwin. I have always been told it was Eben Edwards. Family say she had an Indian name but no one remembers it. Her brother George and her may have been taken in by a white family according to what I've been told. My great aunt, Her youngest daughter told me before she died that Rebecca was Cherokee and her mother's mothers name was Rhoda Davis, we have been told it was Lydia Dunagin. Due to her advanced age and hearing condition that was all I could find out. A cousin of mine says my grandfather said that his mother was blackfoot Indian. Unfortunately, our Indian heritage was kept secret and everyone in my family that may have known the truth has passed away.

William Rawley (Raleigh) Davis was born June 18, 1867 in Tazewell Co VA, died April 15 1939 Pilot Mountain in Surry Co NC, he was the son of
Andrew (Andy) C. Davis and Nancy (Minnie) Felts;

I have been told that the Allens and Easters of Carroll County/Surry County area are kin too.

measter


Greetings Frost, and many others from Easter.
You have a contact now.

I have been Tracking these families, from Albermarle Church, Surry Va,
Orange Va, then New London Church, down to the Yadkin Settement, N.C.
with My Haggards, and Fergusons.

Studying Samponi migration, they took the exact migrations, as what I have been tracing, seeing the White, the Samuel Allen Rode wagon
Trains with Mix blood Newmans, Warrens, Addams, William Easter
S.C.

The Allen I have placed in Lawsons Bottom Ky , with My patriarch
Ephraim Easter, Allens put their dna on our Easter DNA from my findings.

All names were Nancy Ward, or Lost Colony

My patriach Ephraim Easter , B.1781 Va.Most likely his dad die Fort Ruddle
Ky, or with Boone on E.Easter pass.

Appears, used Eskridge, Estes, Ephraim in Bute Co.N.C.

Data Suggest from Duncans, he died with them. Letters from captive
Duncans
Can you tell me how Felts, and Davis is Connecting to Easter.?
Told as kid, Black Dutch, Porteghee, dna done, shows Donald, Mcshane
Johnson, Sir William Johnson, New York, Lake George, where Susanah
Johnson taken 1758, O'neal Clan of Ireland.

Also, My Hawkin line , Is Benjamin Hawkin, indian agent, John Hawkin.
My Sumpter kin is Swamp fox,Marion, which the movie, "Patriot" movie
was made.

[Mary Gooch]

i am looking for margaret jane edwards born 1840-50 in surry co. nc
she married hillary a. peele ,peel, peal all spellings
thanks
mary gooch

[measter]

I have traced Gooch since Franklin, Va. With My patriarch Ephraim Easter ky.

However, if you trace them in the order that I have listed on the forum.



Here your Edwards are neighbors, With my Eskridge Ephraim, and Duncans, and Daniel Boone, Surry Co.N.C.


Subject: Read the book

http://books.google.com/books?id=mpjkAKpH0mIC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=procession+master+va&source=web&ots=Ygn5M0uZue&sig=bW8tslQ1iAKMNxjJKy-2q-WtBek#PPA196,M1
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762 pounds of tobacco to Thomas Eskarge (sp?)** ditto* ditto** The line above reads:
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350 pounds of tobacco to John Verel as Clerk of the Nottoway Church* The line below reads:
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212 pounds of tobacco to Col. Massenburg as agent for the Collage (Indian College Lands on Joseph Swamp)
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Thomas Estridge was clerk of Nottoway Church...same as Chrisotpher Tatum, same church as David "Surry" Duncan
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Estridge of Surry Co VA

Edward Howell b. abt. 1850 wife: Francis "Fanny" Stroud, daughter of : William Stroud & Elizabeth (Estridge) Stroud in Orange Co. N.C. is believed to be the father of William Howell, and a John Howell who died 1792, Orange Co. N.C. believed to be the father of Edward Howell. His father (believed by "cousins" to be): John Howell who died 1717, Surry Va. wife: Mary TATUM in Charles City Co. Va.(later became Prince George Co. Va. Her parents: Nathaniel Tatum wife: Ann. John Howell, Nathaniel TATUM SR., Nathaniel TATUM JR, Samuel TATUm Sr., and Samuel TATUM JR. were all listed on the 1704 land rent rolls in Prince Geroge Co Va..(Prince George Co. Va. was formed from Charles City Co. Va.)John Howell died 1717, Surry Co. Va.
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http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SEARCY/2006-01/1137452128
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Tracked Estridge back into Albemarlbe Parish Surry Co VA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=mpjkAKpH0mIC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=procession+master+va&source=web&ots=Ygn5M0uZue&sig=bW8tslQ1iAKMNxjJKy-2q-WtBek#PPA192,M1
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go down to page 195...
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also on pg 193, 196, 187, 200, 213* (not all pages work in this digital version)


Hence, Edwards, Howards, should be in the oldest Baptish Church here.

Note Duncans: This called Howards Creek, with their own website too.

Digest this, before I over feed you.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclark3/churches/old_providence_church.htm
Let me know if you got hits.

The Black Foot settled in Boone Terre, Mo, my home Town!
I would collect the artifacts as a child from big River.

Dusty Easter =Researcher, Samponi, Fort Ruddle, Fort Martin, Jamestown, Va. and all locations of Samponi Churche's and migration.
Easter, Estes, Eskridge,

[measter]

I have a photo of even John Gardner, in old Carter , Edwards, Easter Album,she wrote the Cherokee "Life in fast lane" google it.
from Mary Jane Gardner,


http://kyusa.addr.com/

Gardners, related to Moss, Easter, Addams, and Newmans.
She wrote the book on Cherokee!!!!


The Album I have the administrator Linda Carters, your Edwards , Berry,
Edwards, Gattlitt. Posted to Frost, but all needs to see it, got everyone's photo.

Your Gooch Family to Easter, Estes, Pedigreee with James, ky from the Stray and James Families.

http://www.ericjames.org/html/fam/fam04474.htm

William H.Easter rode with Jesse James, the James Clan from Ireland.
Easter, The Easter married Cherokee in Hardin co.Mo
On this Pedigree above,

My goodness gracious, even John Gardner, she wrote the Cherokee "Life in fast lane" google it.

"Life in Fast Lane, related to Addams, in the Nicholas Easter pedigree.
This is effecting everone on here. How can I post to all?

Duncans, James Eliot Scots Colony, Va 1739

Warrens married Allen, Evins, Addams,Newman, Samuel Allen rode
wagon Trains with William Easter from S.C. to Ky and Ohio.

http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?uid=X7QZG&letter=&lastname=Easter&viewuid=P9F23&p=0&ped=true#

Rock Creek Baptist Church, has Brenda Smith Easter line here with Howards, and Boone.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclark3/churches/old_providence_church.htm

[fyost]

,Y GREATGRANDMOTHER WAS MARGARET JANE EDWARDS I THAINK SHE WAS REEBECCA SISTER MARGARET MARRIED HILLARY PEELE HER FATHER WAS EBEN EDWARDS AND HER MOTHER WAS LYDIA DNAGIN LET ME HEAR FROM YOU AND LETS TALK
MARY GOOCH


It is great to hear from you. My email is yostfamily@hotmail.com. Rebecca's father was Eben and mother was Lydia, so they must be sisters. She married Raleigh Davis. I would love to share any information I have.
Faith

[fyost]

I have traced Gooch since Franklin, Va. With My patriarch Ephraim Easter ky.

However, if you trace them in the order that I have listed on the forum.



Here your Edwards are neighbors, With my Eskridge Ephraim, and Duncans, and Daniel Boone, Surry Co.N.C.


Subject: Read the book

http://books.google.com/books?id=mpjkAKpH0mIC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=procession+master+va&source=web&ots=Ygn5M0uZue&sig=bW8tslQ1iAKMNxjJKy-2q-WtBek#PPA196,M1
*
762 pounds of tobacco to Thomas Eskarge (sp?)** ditto* ditto** The line above reads:
*
350 pounds of tobacco to John Verel as Clerk of the Nottoway Church* The line below reads:
*
212 pounds of tobacco to Col. Massenburg as agent for the Collage (Indian College Lands on Joseph Swamp)
*
*
-
Thomas Estridge was clerk of Nottoway Church...same as Chrisotpher Tatum, same church as David "Surry" Duncan
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Estridge of Surry Co VA

Edward Howell b. abt. 1850 wife: Francis "Fanny" Stroud, daughter of : William Stroud & Elizabeth (Estridge) Stroud in Orange Co. N.C. is believed to be the father of William Howell, and a John Howell who died 1792, Orange Co. N.C. believed to be the father of Edward Howell. His father (believed by "cousins" to be): John Howell who died 1717, Surry Va. wife: Mary TATUM in Charles City Co. Va.(later became Prince George Co. Va. Her parents: Nathaniel Tatum wife: Ann. John Howell, Nathaniel TATUM SR., Nathaniel TATUM JR, Samuel TATUm Sr., and Samuel TATUM JR. were all listed on the 1704 land rent rolls in Prince Geroge Co Va..(Prince George Co. Va. was formed from Charles City Co. Va.)John Howell died 1717, Surry Co. Va.
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http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SEARCY/2006-01/1137452128
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*
Tracked Estridge back into Albemarlbe Parish Surry Co VA
*

http://books.google.com/books?id=mpjkAKpH0mIC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=procession+master+va&source=web&ots=Ygn5M0uZue&sig=bW8tslQ1iAKMNxjJKy-2q-WtBek#PPA192,M1
*
go down to page 195...
*
also on pg 193, 196, 187, 200, 213* (not all pages work in this digital version)


Hence, Edwards, Howards, should be in the oldest Baptish Church here.

Note Duncans: This called Howards Creek, with their own website too.

Digest this, before I over feed you.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyclark3/churches/old_providence_church.htm
Let me know if you got hits.

The Black Foot settled in Boone Terre, Mo, my home Town!
I would collect the artifacts as a child from big River.

Dusty Easter =Researcher, Samponi, Fort Ruddle, Fort Martin, Jamestown, Va. and all locations of Samponi Churche's and migration.
Easter, Estes, Eskridge,


It is great to hear from you - I just realized I had replies on this forum. As soon as I digest this, I'll get back with you. My email address is yostfamily@hotmail.com. I'll have to look at my notes to see how the Easter's connect but I know that they are said to be kin to my Edwards/Davis line.

[fyost]

Do you know anything about Margaret Edwards Indian heritage?

[measter]

Yes, I know about it.

Subject: Drayton Edwards Cherokee Your Edwards, related to Davis, and Felts Easter

I tried running her on Ancestry.com 3 days ago, no luck.
Cherokee Gardner, Jon Carter, Berry, Jake and Jacob Easter, Edwards in old photo album.

Try Running Drayton Edwards as the father on Ancestry.com

Read thru this slowly.
I have been very sick with this bug, not at my best.

You will find her here.

The Davis, is related to the Duncans, on our team of researchers.
Duncans mother a Duncan,We are related too, like 7th cousins.
I am related to the Duncans.

My blood died Fort Ruddle, Ephraim Estes, Eskridge, with Duncans.
He would be buried near Fort Martin, David has access to the graveyard, Ky. will be going.
Is the Talbott land.

We are trying to figure out what Duncans he died with.

A letter from Duncans to Cherokee Stewarts, Stewart is a dna match.
http://kyusa.addr.com/

1. Go to LDS library
2.Use index of "history of Cherokee" Emmet Starr

Dusty Easter- Researcher, Fort Ruddle, Fort Martin, Jamestown, Va. Samponi Cherokee

[Littlebear27320]

Rebecca E. EDWARDS Daughter of Ebenezer (Eben) EDWARDS and
Lydia A. EDWARDS
<TT>was born July 20, 1868 and died August 15, 1952</TT>

<TT>Rebecca married September 19, 1888<O:p </TT><TT>To William Raleigh </TT><TT>(Rawley) Son of Andrew C. Davis and Nancy Felts</TT><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.saponitown.com/forum/ /><st1:City w:st=Nancy </st1:City></ST1http://www.saponitown.com/forum/ /><st1:PlaceName w:st=<TT>Carroll</TT></st1:PlaceName><TT> <st1:PlaceType w:st=" /><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">.</st1:PlaceName></TT></ST1:p
<O:pTheir Son Albert Davis married Sarah Charity Edwards Daughter of Greenberry Edwards son of Levi Edwards. The Easters are more connected to Greenberry Edwards line. You will also find <TT>cousins Sidna and Wesley Edwards<O:p</TT><TT> here.</TT>
<TT></TT>
Ebenezer EDWARDS
<ST1:pLydia A. EDWARDS
Mandy E. EDWARDS
Eliza A. EDWARDS
Martha F. EDWARDS
<ST1:pT. A. EDWARDS
William E. EDWARDS
Sarah L. EDWARDS
Rebecca E. EDWARDS


Levi
Charity
Nancy L.
Charity
George W.
Greenberry G.
Arrena C.
Caroline J.
Luemma C.

Alvertia ALLEN 1861-1937 m. John Jasper EDWARDS and had the following children:

Adlina Nancy EDWARDS 1880-1962 m. Rufus EASTER
<ST1:p<st1:City w:st="on">Garland</st1:City></ST1:p L. EDWARDS 1883-1885
Jeston A. EDWARDS 1886-1908 m. William G. EASTER
William Sidna EDWARDS 1889-abt.1933
Wesley Victor EDWARDS 1891-1939
Sarah F. EDWARDS b.1894
Floyd S. EDWARDS b.1898
Claud EDWARDS 1902-1984 m. Viola Ella KING
Luther EDWARDS 1903-1983

[Mary Gooch]

thank you for the info. i didnt see margaret jane as one of the childern
she must have left home by that time she married hillary peele in 1866
thank you for the help
mary gooch

[Littlebear27320]

Thank you for your reply . Some how I over looked adding margaret Jane Edwards Born 8-1-1850 and Jonathan Edwards born 2-14-1848 the two older children of Eben Edwards and Lydia Dunagan Edwards.

Littlebear

[Mary Gooch]

Littlebear, thank you for the birth date of margaret jane edwards .
do you have eben edwards mother and father ?
mary:)

[saj]

I wanted to jump in here for awhile, but I can't make heads or tails of all of this. First is the earlier Samuel Allen and Nancy Hester Easter? Several sites on rootsweb trace him back to William Allen born 4-11-1711. That isn't William born then, it's Joseph (my direct) and twin Benjamin Allen. I can find next to nothing on Benjamin. I have seen a second marriage for Joseph to a Warren but I'm not sure that's right. Joseph's mother, Elizabeth Walker Allen, her mother Elizabeth Warren. Anyway, second is just one site that shows the Edwards with Alvertia Allen. If this is correct placing this line back to Robt. born 1703, he is a brother to all three above. And this is the Carroll Co group? We can't choose our ancestors can we? (re: courthouse massacre)
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=conways&id=I56631
Robert also married secondly...Hannah Edwards. Saj

[beeleaf]

re the info in that rootsweb link:

It might help someone's search to note that Grayson County did not exist in 1786.

Y'all are talking about some familiar names, now. More info here:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/LYON/2000-01/0949160677

Hav not looked at the Edwards side yet, but I see a familiar Daniel.

[Mary Gooch]

oh me, i have to think about all of this i didnt know any of this when i ask about the Eben edwards family . tell me more mary gooch:eek:

[Littlebear27320]

Here’s what I have on the Allen’s

William Allen Sr Born 1725 Married Mary Lewis
Children
Meridith Allen, Pleasant Allen ,Darling Allen ,James
Allen ,William Allen jr

William Allen Jr Married 1. Agnes 2. Anne
Children:
William Allen III Samuel Allen ,Carr Allen ,John Allen ,
Robert Allen ,James Allen, Bailey Allen

William Allen III
Children
William Carr Allen, Carl Allen, Bailey Allen, Richard
Allen,

William Carr Allen
Children
Jackson Allen, Robert Allen ,John Allen ,Jeremiah
Allen

Jeremiah Allen son of William Carr Allen
married Nancy Combs
Children:
Anderson Allen married Anne Strickland
Washington Allen
Justin Allen married Joseph Edwards
Victor Allen married Abigail Bowman
Floyd Allen married Frances Edwards
Jasper Allen married Katie Easter
Alvertia Allen married John Jasper Edwards
Sidna Allen Married Bettie Mitchell
Carenia Allen married Hubert Easter

[Littlebear27320]

I do not talk a lot about the Tragedy at Hillsville Courthouse.
But I have talked with people who were there before they died and they gave me their stories. I learn many things that are not in any book. I know who was hiding Sidna Allen and Wesley Edwards, how they got food and why the person helped them. Looking at the facts in the case I feel
Pinky Samuels holds most of the Responsibility for the Tragedy. If it was not for his Illegal crossing of state lines and arrest in mount Airy North Carolina. and his refusing to take them to Hillsville by the way of Wards Gap.
Pinky Samuels wanted to take them by the Allens Store. Now every one I talked to said Floyd was the meanest man in Carroll County VA. Pinky Samuels had to know there would be trouble. and it was, this is how you get to the tragedy at Hillsville. be cause Pinky Samuels refused to take them to Hillsville by the way of Wards Gap. if he had their would not be a tragedy at Hillsville to talk about today. Now
what most of the people told me was that they feel Floyd was all the trouble in Carroll County but sidna Allen had no part of Floyds actions

[Mary Gooch]

I Have Never Heard That Part Of The Story Before. Very Interesting . I Have Read The Book But It Was A Long Time Adgo .
I Was Born In Mt. Airy So I Had Herad People Talk All My Life .
Thank For The Info. About This Story . Mary Gooch

[Littlebear27320]

hello Mary I do have Eden Edwards mother and father infomation: I will post it shortly let me check something first. thanks

Littlebear

[Dreaminghawk]

The tragedy has been discussed on the Jacob Jeffries thread but I will just c&p my final reply on the thread..... regarding judging ancestors actions. From what my family says, Littlebear has it pretty straight. (and we are Daltons and Goads) We feel it is likely that, inside the courthouse, the Allens and Edwards probably fired in self-defence. That comes down from a family member who was in the courthouse that day.

Dreaminghawk says>>> The first rule in tracing ancestors is to not be upset by what we find. We can't judge their actions, not knowing the whole truth. Sometimes lies are recorded as truth, either intentionally or inadvertently. We accept what we find without judging or condemning.
In this case, your family is sorta Romeo and Juliet of the feud. ....Edwards was on one side of the fight and Goad was on the other side ..LOL. Sidna and Wesley Edwards were the participants, being cousins to the Allens. I do know for a fact that phone inquiries at the Carroll Co courthouse into the genealogy of Wesley Edwards are likely to result in a hungup phone. This comes from a direct descendent of Wesley who we know from the Va powwow circuit.
There are 2 books that I know of which are excellent capsules of that time and area. The first is "The Man Who Moved A Mountain" by Richard C Davids. As far as I know, copies can still be found at giftshops along the Blue Ridge Parkway. First published in 1970.
The 2nd book is extremely rare. "Memoirs of J Sidna Allen- A True Narrative of What Happened at Hillsville, Virginia" written by J Sidna Allen in 1929 and published in Galax, Va. I have a copy that has been passed down through the family.
These 2 books tell entirely different versions of what happened and who shot first. Will we ever know for sure who was at fault? Probably not.

[Dreaminghawk]

On a sidenote..... the intricate inlaid furniture that Sidna Allen made in prison sits in a second story on Main Street in Hillsville. The public is not allowed to see it even though Hillsville has an excellent History Museum.

[Mary Gooch]

thank you both for all the info. on SIDNA ALLEN story .
thank
mary gooch

[Littlebear27320]

I fully agree with Dreaminghawk We just accept what we find without judging or condemning after all it is our history.
who shot first in the court Room? ask six people got six answers, I am not sure any one but the person who was at fault really knows,

Here are some bible records with information about
Eben edwards parent. now with the edwards there are
some secrets that the family will not tell other then
there are secrets. we do know James was disowned for
marrying Charity Hayes (Hazes)

Lydia Edwards Bible

Eben Parents

James Edwards 1797 -4-2-1878
Charity Edwards 1795 -13-3-1870

Lydia parents
Tyra dunagan 1787-12-24-1869
Diannah Gillespie 1786 -.5-6-1871

Lydia Grandparents
Elijah Galaspy 1862
Sallie Galaspy 1870

others Names

Jessie Edwards died may 26 1858
MARY Edwards 9-15-1859
Susan Edwards 7-27-1871
Frances Edwards 1889
Sarah hull 5-12-1874
Sydris hull d-10-29-1872

[Mary Gooch]

I Agree With With You And Dreaminghawk 100 % About Our Ancestors . We Are Not In Control Of Them . But I Love The Histery Of The Ancestors I Know That Thay Had Hard Life Who Knows Why Thay Did What Thay Did .anyway Thanks For The Post
Mary Gooch:)

[fyost]

Does anyone know anything about Indian heritage for Dunnigans or Davis?

[fyost]

The following names were also in the family Bible: Elijah Dagby d 1862; Sally Dagby d 1870;

[Dreaminghawk]

Littlebear..... what is the connection of Greenberry Edwards to John Jasper Edwards? JJ is not shown as son of Levi and I can find no tree that shows a father for JJ.

[Littlebear27320]

Sorry I had not checked in early. I don't have a cousin chart with me

4-William
3- MT John Edwards
2- James Edwards 4- Sarah
3- Nancy Mankins
1-Jasper Edwards
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4-William
3-James J Edwards
2- Levi Edwards 4- Sarah
3-Sarah Johnson
1-Greenberry Edwrads

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[Littlebear27320]

1-Jasper Edwards
2- James Edwards and adeline
3- MT John Edwards and Nancy Mankins
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1-Greenberry
2- Levi Edwards and Charity Bobbitt <o:p></o:p>
3-James J Edwards and Sarah Johnson
4-William Edwards 1790 and Sarah

[Ronhall]

Sir,

Actually the deputy, Thomas Franklin Samuel (the family insists the name did not have the "s" on it.) did not cross into North Carolina. That was a story started and perpetuated by the Allen faction. Sidna and Wesley Edwards were arrested at their jobs in Mount Airy by sheriff Cabell Haynes and his deputy, Oscar Monday. They transported the pair to the state line where they were met by Samuel and a man he had deputized, Peter Easter.

Since only Samuel was an official deputy, there was only one set of handcuffs so Wesley was cuffed in the front seat of the buggy beside Easter and Sidna was tied in the back seat beside Samuel. (They were using Easter's buggy.)

As to why Samuel wanted to go up Fancy Gap, no one knows. It was not a good choice since it passed by the homes of five Allen brothers; Floyd, Garland, Sidna, Jack and Victor.

It is not widely known, but the Edwards boys' mother, Alverta was married to Oscar Monday's father, making him a stepbrother to the Edwards boys. He was also one of three detectives who went to Des Moines to arrest Sidna Allen and Wesley Edwards.

best regards,
Ron Hall
Carroll County Historical Society.

[Ronhall]

Sidna Allen's memoirs are currently being republished by his grand daughter in Eden, NC. The Carroll Historical Society sells them for $15. In terms of total truth about the courthouse tragedy, the memoirs only tell the truth as Sidna saw it, which is a little distorted. However, it's understandable since he was the 3rd wealthiest man in Carroll County in 1912 and he lost everything he owned.

Unfortunately, "The Man Who Moved a Mountain" does not tell the total truth either. A direct descendant of Mr. Childress told me not to believe everything in the book. As to telling anything at all about the courthouse tragedy, it is a poor source.

[Ronhall]

Sidna Allen's furniture rests in the Carroll County Historical Society's Museum in Hillsville where it is on prominent display. This is about half of his collection. The other half is owned by his descendants.

His home, privately owned since 1912, is unfortunately, near collapse. The family who own it will not sell it to any folks interested in restoring and saving it. I expect one good windstorm will take it down.

There are no secret passages in it. It, like the rest of the commonly accepted story of the tragedy, is misrepresented by a lot of myth and fiction. Unfortunately, many of the myths were created by the newspapers of 1912 and perpetuated by most of the 13 books that have been written about it.

[Dreaminghawk]

Mr Hall, re the furniture.... when we visited the Museum about 4 or 5 years ago, we were told that the furniture was in an upper room and not open to the public. I stand corrected and look forward to seeing it on our next visit to Hillsville.

[Little Bear]

Your information does not match any I have ever heard of. I am sure your have documentation to back up all you are saying. So please let us know where we can find this information. I would like very much to research your information myself. However my information came from people who lived in Carroll County at the time and seen it take place first hand. Most of them were not Allen’s or Edwards. So to say, this story was started and perpetuated by the Allen faction is wrong. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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From what you are saying everyone who was there was wrong or did not tell the truth. And that you are right. However, you are right Sidna Allen’s Daughter did move to and made her home in Eden NC. In addition, she had to move her father grave for all the vandals; I am not sure how his Grand Daughter can current Something that happen, before she was even born.<o:p></o:p>

[Ronhall]

Sir,
I was born and raised in Hillsville and knew many people who were participants in the affair or else were just there. As an aside, the courtroom would have held just over a hundred people so if all the people who claimed to be there that day were actually there, the place would have been as large as Yankee Stadium.

I am not sure what information you question, but would be happy to provide you with sources if you can be more specific. You probably have never heard what I said because the stories that were told afterward contained little truth. The county and state had as much reason to hide the whole truth as did the Allens. There was enough wrong to go around. Most local information came from fictionalized newspaper stories or distorted word of mouth tales.

If you read the trial transcripts, it's easy to see that the county witnesses were well coached and the Allen faction was evasive.

When Sidna Allen was released from prison in 1926, he went to Eden to live with his brother, Victor, who ran a store there. Later, he moved to Orchard Street in Mt. Airy. He died of prostate cancer in Hillsville in September, 1941, while at his daughter's home and was buried in the Gardner Cemetery. His wife, Betty, however, did not want to be buried there, so when she died in 1948, they moved Sidna to be with her. His grandchildren have never indicated there was any vandalism to his grave. To the contrary, by the time he died, he was something of a local celebrity.

The trial transcripts are in the Wythe County Clerk's office plus we have copies at the museum in Hillsville. The 57 shots accounted for in the courtroom are documented by a blueprint drawn by Cyrus Phibbs also in Wythe Courthouse.

Perhaps you should read my book, "The Carroll County Courthouse Tragedy" which I wrote in '98 and donated to the Historical Society, or alternately come to the lecture I'm giving this Sunday in the courtroom at 3:00 PM.

Sincerely,
Ron Hall
Historian and Genealogist
Carroll County Historical Society.

[Little Bear]

My family was also born and raised in Carroll County VA and Surry County NC. My Grandfather and many other family members and friends was there, The fact that you did not know they moved Sidna Allen to the Mt Herman Church in Rockingham County for the reason of Vandalism , makes me question your information even more, Since Sidna Allen’s Daughter Pauline is the one who told me that’s why they moved him. I find it hard to believe that Jim and Pauline never told Betsy (Sidna Allen Granddaughter) this Information. In fact, Pauline told over Friends this information one day in the washerette she owned in the Meadow green shopping in Eden. So in this case, I guess you are saying Pauline lied about the reason they moved her father. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[Little Bear]

I have researched many of that fact for myself, I have read and have copies of Sidna Allen Memoir put out by Gardner Enterprises, But the Courthouse Tragedy By Rufus Garner is the closes to the truth I have read. I am sure you will say he book is untrue also.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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I would like your documentation that sheriff Haynes arrested Sidna and Wesley Edwards in NC and that Thomas Franklin Samuel did not cross the state line. the Fact is Thomas F Samuel knew floyd Allen was trouble, All my family said that Floyd Allen was the meanest Man in Carroll County and Samuel willing invited that trouble by going to Fancy Gap. In fact, Floyd and Samuel is the reason for all the Courthouse Tragedy anyway. <o:p></o:p>
Since You was not there and I Was not there, I will Take the word of the people that was there, <o:p></o:p>

[Ronhall]

Sir,
It sounds as though you are one of the ones who prefer to believe and perpetuate the myths and misinformation rampant about the courthouse tragedy. However, it's your prerogative to believe what you wish. However, if you publish your misinformation to the public as fact, I will take issue with it.

I'm not saying that Pauline lied about anything; I'm saying that none of the 7 grandchildren of Sidna Allen that I have talked to have ever mentioned to me anything about vandalism.

For your information, Sidna Allen did not write his memoirs; he dictated them to his son-in-law and to a neighbor by the name of Thomas. The original publication was by Alwith Publishing in 1929. (Alwith is an acronym for Allen, Wilson and Thomas.) There were several printings later by other publishers. Rufus Gardner simply had them reprinted for a brief time in the '50's and now Betsy Chandler, Sidna's granddaughter, is doing the same, although she has added some of her own remembrances and photos.

Sidna was capable of writing because he had been editor of the Carroll Journal in 1909. I'm not sure why he didn't do it.

Sadly, Rufus Gardner's book is mainly clippings from local newspapers that were provided to him by John Alderman. So, you are partially correct; only parts of it are true because of the source material.

My collection has 13 books written on the tragedy, but most, unfortunately, are higly fictionalized. The best of the old books is the one by William Chancellor Payne, one of the B-F Detectives, who published the journal of another detective named Elmo Brim. It came out in 1912 before Sidna Allen had been captured.

The information regarding the Edwards boys' arrests came from two sources; an interview with Will Monday, the brother of the arresting deputy, Oscar Monday (which I have on tape) and the arrest record of Cabell Haynes in the archives of Surry County and it says that Haynes went to G. C. Lovill Company and arrested Sidna Edwards and Oscar Monday went to F. Messick Grocery company and arrested Wesley. This was on Wednesday, April 19th, 1911. Unfortunately, I have never found any extradition papers.

In fact, Haynes almost shot Sidna because he tried to drop his pistol down between some bags of oats and Haynes saw it and thought he was going to shoot.

Next morning, Haynes and Monday delivered the boys to the state line to Samuel and Easter who awaited in Easter's buggy.

Floyd Allen was in no trouble when Samuels went to the state line. In fact, he had just been appointed a special policeman along with his cousin, Henry Carr Allen, to handle labor trouble occurring at a local damsite. For that reason, he was technically within his rights to carry a gun into the courtroom, although the ethics may be questioned. The law said that only a law officer or mail carrier could carry a concealed weapon in 1912. Floyd's son, Victor, was a mail carrier but had no gun the day of the shootout. Dexter Goad, William Foster and Woodson Quesenberry were illegally armed under the letter of the law. However, at the later trials, Judge Waller Staples, pardoned their actions in his opening statement.

I am sorry if I have offended you in some way which causes you to accuse me of such fabrication. If you check around, I think you will find my credentials as county historian are very credible.

[Little Bear]

For your information I did not say Sidna Allen write his memoirs, and yes the original publication was in 1929, I did not say I own the original publication. In addition, I did not say Floyd Allen was in any Trouble at that time. I said he was trouble, meaning he was known to start trouble allot, as I am sure you are aware of. I do know the story you are talking about also, Randolph and Joshua felts of the Baldwin–felts Detective agency that was in Galax, they are in my Family lineage,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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[Little Bear]

I am sure you are a very credible historian. In this case you do not have all the facts. And from what I have seen you are wrong on some of your information. If you do feel you have all the facts in the case, please tell me who helped Sidna Allen and Wesley Edwards when they was on the run, who got them food and helped them get out of the county and state.? <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

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[Little Bear]

I Know Betsy and Joe Chandler, Joe owned a very nice pharmacy in Eden. I think it will be good for her to add her remembrance to the book, but not to change anything.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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[Ronhall]

Sir,

I believe I have gathered more facts than any previous historians on the subject. I, and probably some of the forum readers, would be interested to know what information you think is incorrect. As an historian, I don't publish things as facts unless I have researched and verified them. I researched the event for ten years before I wrote the book, which does not include the decades I spent listening to the story as a child from people who were there. However, let me point out that in order to get all the facts, you have to do more than talk to a few locals about the event.

My research included interviews with 26 living grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the participants, months in the courthouse researching legal documents, 3 trips to the State Library to research Governor Mann's personal papers, reading all the printed matter I could find on the subject which amounted to 11 books about the tragedy and numerous others such as Elmo Brim's personal journal, Governor Mann's wife's autobiography and Floyd Landreth's prosecution notes. I spent over $500 in copying fees for such things as trial testimonies, witness lists, indictment records, etc.

One thing I learned early on was that local people did not have all the story and the stories they told depended upon which side their sympathies were on.

In response to your question, many people helped Sidna Allen and Wesley Edwards. (Friel Allen was with them for a couple of weeks, but his father negotiated his surrender.) Sidna wrote that he would never reveal who helped him, but several are known. He spent the most time on his sister Carenia's farm. She married Hubbard Anderson Easter (at whose home the infamous corn shucking took place) and she would send food to them in her husband's lunch pail which he would set at the edge of the field while he worked. Sidna and Wesley would get the food and they slept in the barn at night and hid in the woods during the day despite the fact that B-F had a detective watching the farm.

Jordan Edwards was another one and he was arrested for doing so. Others, such as Martin Guynn, Burden Marion and Cabell Strickland later admitted to helping them. Doubtless there were others who helped them during the roughly 30 days they hid in Carroll County. However, Sidna wrote that if he had slept in all the beds he was credited with sleeping in, he would have gotten no sleep as he would have been on the move all the time. Many people claimed to have helped them who never even saw them while they were in Carroll.

Incidentally, Joshua and Randolph Felts were not in the Detective Agency. It was headed by Thomas Lafayette Felts and William Gibbony Baldwin. Felts did have two brothers in the agency who were killed at Matewan, WV. The B-F offices were in Richmond, Denver, Thurmond, Bluefield and Roanoke. Felts lived at Blair which is near Galax.

I believe this ends our debate, since I really don't enjoy publicly demeaning your misunderstanding and assumptions of the event. If you wish to contact me privately, you may obtain my email address through the Historical Society at 276-728-4113, if it isn't available somewhere on this site. I would publish it here but that is inviting loads of spam.

If you don't wish to read my book, I suggest reading "The Red Ear of Corn" by Bill Lord. We independently researched our books but essentially wrote the same story and drew the same conclusions.

Regardless, my best wishes to you, sir.

[Little Bear]

Yes this end the debate, you did not even come close to who really helped them. I have a letter written by Sidna to the person that helped them. I also have the personal account by the persons on how they did it. I never said I only had what people said. I also have books of documentation. I know for a fact you have a lot of misinformation and your opinions. by the why I talk to a lot more then 26 people and I did alot of foot work also. and on the felts well, I send you documentation on that one by mail. best wishes and good bye

[Ronhall]

Not that I ever expected to get it, but I haven't received anything from you on the Baldwin-Felts.

[jacksancestors]

Hi, I'm new here & you mention so many names that I'm just wonderin if they could be in my lines like Edwards which is my mama's maiden name down from Cader Edwards from Wales, Jeffries line, Hammond is my grama's maiden name. Not really sure how to find things on here only post em. My hubby's ancestors are Indian for sure like Little Prince. Reckin I'll figure this out soon.
Thanks,
Letha

[jacksancestors]

Does anyone have anything on Little Prince b: 1762 in Broken Arrow Town, Newton, Georgia or Tustunnuggee Hopaie, speaker of the Lower Creeks he Married in 1779 to: Princess HONEYSUCKLE (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=thomgibson&id=P2880885992) b: 1760 in Cherokee Nation? Bit confused, some say his line goes back but they're from England. Honeysuckles dad was Big Eagle Cherokee Chief but they say this isn't his real name... This is my hubby's line & I'm havin so much trouble.
Letha

[Linda]

Welcome, Jacksancestors. I'm not sure if we'll be much help since we don't have much on Cherokee lineage. We researching the Siouan people of the Upper South. The Cherokee were Iroquoian. Where did you find the documentation you've cited? How do you know they're from England?

[cowboy]

Anybody who is looking for Cherokee lineage post on African-Native American Genealogy forum, Cherokee David Cornsilk worked for years in the records and rolls department for the Cherokee Nation his knowledge is amazing for this tribe.

But be warned if it is not so he will bring you back to reality and set you on the road you are looking for. You can also google his name and read about him before making contact if you like.

[Kamama]

Hi,
I have been on a lot of trails, searching for family. And some have went the wrong way.
I am grateful to have a picture of my 3rd great grandmother Rebecca Morning star of Ohio. You are welcome to look at her picture and my great grandfather. He is a handsome guy. My father looks just like him.
I ran acorss the thought of it being Miami, but we are not.
Before I was born, the family said that Rebecca said she was Blackfoot.
I have ran across other Morning star Indian families in Ohio as well. I was wondering too if anyone had that name in their family?
Has anyone done a DNA test?- out of curiosity.
Do the Balckfoot have a spoken or (now days, I know not in older days) a written language that we can learn?
I would also love to talk to others and make friends on here. And if there are any in Ohio or Indiana, I would love to make friends with.
Thank You!

[Kamama]

Concerning Rebeccas husband, I have never found anything about him. Everytime he (Hiram Jones) and Rebecca would move from state to state, he would put that state as his birth place, from OH to MI to IN.
Someone asked me that maybe he may have been Indian himself with changing where he was from every ten years.
Could that be true?

[jacksancestors]

My hubbys granny told us before she died that they had Blackfoot but I'm havin trouble findin it. When I start searchin his ancestors like DeBord who married Martha Prince which lead me to Little Prince or Tustunnuggee Hopaie who is Creek. My hubby's aunt also has this same info but nothin really concrete. Just lookin everywhere I can to find somethin out.

[white_dove2]

Hello Everyone,
I am new to this site and excited to have found it. Thanks for letting me join. I live in Patrick County, VA near Fairystone Park. I am Cherokee, Eastern Sioux, Creek and Scots/Irish. The Cherokee/Creek is on the maternal side and was fairly easy to research. Eastern Sioux and Cherokee is on my paternal side and has been difficult to research. Maternal surnames: Morrison, Craig, Shelton, Belcher, Harbour, Smith, Wood, Brammer, Bird, Stockton and Jamison. Paternal surnames are Hylton, Belcher, Boyd, Hall, Cruse, Conner - I have run into many blocks on this side of my family. Any help would be appreciated.
Smoke & Prayers,
White Dove2 (Debbie)

[Kira_Leigh]

Hello White Dove,
My father's family is from Patrick County. His father was killed on the road into Fairystone by a state truck when they were building it. The homeplace and a family cemetery is on Pilson Sawmill Road. I also own a small piece of property there that my father gave me before he passed away. His family surnames are Bouldin(originaly Bowlin or Bolin), Foley, Shelton, Keaton and Collins. Lots of other names thrown in, but these are his grandparents names. Beeleaf is my cousin and you will see lots of threads from her. she is the one that has researched our family's Native American Heritage. The old Brammer place was next to Dad's homeplace and it was sold a while back. Other than the Shelton I don't see any of my family names. I know there is a name that begins with M, but can't remember right now. We are going for our evening walk and feed our zoo. I'll check back when we get home, about an hour. We are planning to come to Patrick Co. this weekend. Cindi

[white_dove2]

My great grandfather James T. Morrison married Nannie Shelton (dob 10/1/1847 dod 4/21/1950). I am very familiar with the Old Brammer place and I live on Jacks Creek Rd. near the covered bridge. Have a safe journey to PC this weekend.
Smoke & Prayers,
White Dove2

[Kira_Leigh]

Did you ever see the old house before they tore it down? The boxwoods were as tall as the house. You could go out on the Balcony and the boxwoods were still over your head. I have a boxwood planted here at home that was rooted off one that was rooted from those boxwoods. There were green doors inside the house and the back section had a long porch upstairs and down stairs. Dad remembered it from visiting there when he was a child. I only saw it after it had started going down hill. We use to walk over there from Dad's homeplace. Dad's cousin Curtis still has the homeplace. I put some family info on your other thread. Got to go wash the woods off. cindi

[Kira_Leigh]

And I forgot I have pictures of Jack's Creek Covered Bridge. One with Dad standing in front of it and his truck in the background in the bridge, that was before they closed it to traffic. Dad died in Feb and times like this are when I miss him the most. Finding a patrick co person to talk to. Dad's grandfather was considered the biggest liar in Patrick Co. The story is in a book on Patrick Co. cindi

[white_dove2]

Osiyo,
I do remember seeing the Brammer place but it has many, many years ago. I can remember going thru that bridge in the school bus and the sides of the bus scraping the bridge - it was fun. We always hoped we would get caught in the bridge. I will have to read the story about your g-grandfather.
Smoke & Prayers,
Debbie

[beeleaf]

I remember that bridge. Think one of my aunts lives not far from there. She's a Lawson now.

[Jewel]

Jeremiah Allen, son of William Carr Allen, married Nancy Combs and are my G, Great Grandparents. My Great Grandparents were "Jack" Allen and Katie Easter. I have a photo of Jeremiah and Nancy and Nancy looks Native American. Any info on Nancy or Katie would be much appreciated. JJ