Searching for Beard, Berry, Hurt, Collins

[storyteller]

Hi,

I’ve been “lurking” for the past few days. Today, I’ve tried twice to post and couldn’t get it done in time before “timing out” so I’m going to try to make this a quick one.

Let me first say that I’m researching my maternal grandmother’s family. She passed away almost 40 yrs ago. In trying to assemble as many “facts” as possible about her family, we’ve come to the conclusion that we didn’t “know” her very well and we knew less about her family. She didn’t talk about them. The only thing that keeps coming up is that she was NOT Indian! This was repeated by her younger brother (also now deceased). He thought that maybe the family was Scotch-Irish, maybe English, but they were NOT Indians! This would maybe have been credible had they not had NA features! Although her brother had pale blue eyes and she had green, they were set against faces that were a medium to dark olive, with high cheekbones, and the “Asian folds” on the lids.

My grandmother and her five brothers were born in Angelina Co, TX. Both her mother and father were born in East TX. However, I have been “chasing” their ancestors from all over the Eastern U.S. to TX. Most, however, started in VA and “ran” from there. I’ve got ancestors that were born, married, had children, or died in MD, PA, IN, KY, TN, VA, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, AR, and then into Texas. And they moved in groups of two or three generations along with the in-laws to make sure that they had a ready supply of spouses for their young people along the way.

Some of the surnames in my grandmother’s lines:

Paternal: BEARD, BERRY, COLLINS, DANIELS, HANCOCK, HAY, HAYNES, HORN, HURT, PHELPS, TRAYLOR

Maternal: GATES, HANKS, HYDE, KALDENBACH, KOUNTZ, RATCLIFF, STEWART, YOUNG (JUNG)

[quest for facts]

ok my husband has Beard and Collins ....I have Daniel and Horn

[storyteller]

Hello Quest for Facts,

This is a brief showing of where these people are from and how they tie in to me. I have more information on some siblings and their spouses, but it would be a huge posting! Also, in the past day or so, I've been searching around and am not too sure on the earlier generations of a couple of them, so I didn't include much on that.

1. BERRY2 BEARD (WILLIAM1) was born 1801 in Alabama, and died Aft. 1870 in Arkansas. He married NANCY HAY 29 Oct 1821 in Montgomery Co, Al, daughter of ISAAC HAY. She was born 1801 in Montgomery Co., AL, and died 1855 in Arkansas.


1. TABITHA2 COLLINS (JAMES1) was born 1746 in Amelia Co, VA, and died 21 Sep 1821 in Spencer, KY,. She married JOEL HURT 1768 in Halifax Co, VA, son of JOHN HURT and MARGARET UNKNOWN. He was born Abt. 1738 in Pamunkey Neck, King William Co, VA, and died Aft. 1815 in Greene Co, GA.


1. SARAH3 DANIEL (WILLIAMS2, JAMES1) was born 21 Jan 1742 in Goochland Co, Va, and died 05 Feb 1824 in Jessamine Co, Ky,. She married (1) JESSE WOMACK 1761 in Goochland Co, Va, son of WILLIAM WOMACK and MARTHA UNKNOWN. He was born 1749, and died 02 Aug 1782 in Bedford Co, Va. She married (2) EDWARD HANCOCK 04 Sep 1792 in Bedford Co, Va. He was born 1760, and died 1820.

1. AURIN GOODGAME4 HORN (MOSES3, MOSES2, WILLIAM1) was born 19 May 1793 in Montgomery, Emanuel Co, Ga, and died 09 Aug 1857 in Magnolia Springs, Jasper Co, Tx. He married (1) ELEANOR DEKLE 21 Feb 1841 in Thomas, Ga, daughter of GEORGE DEKLE and NANCY ROUNTREE. She was born 02 Jun 1815 in Montgomery Co., GA, and died 30 Aug 1876 in Magnolia Springs, Jasper Co, Tx. He married (2) SOPHIA DEKLE 06 Mar 1816 in Burke, Ga, daughter of JOHN DEKLE and SALLIE GRISSOM. She was born 01 May 1792 in Effingham, Ga, and died 23 Apr 1836 in Jasper, Tx.

Aurin G. Horn's great-granddaughter, Mary Frances Haynes, married Calvin A. Beard, in Jasper Co, Tx. She was also the gggrand-daughter of Tabitha Collins. Calvin Beard was the great-grandson of Sarah Daniel on his mother's side of the family, as well as the grandson of Berry Beard.

Storyteller

[Reba]

I don't have this family in my line but I am a member of a family site that posted a photo of Isaac Hurt with family. They look extremely ethnic! By no means do they look white. On the comment part she said it was a tin photo so it is dark. Even with that being said their facial charactoristics is not white. If you would like to see the photo I can ask to copy it for you. The photo was taken at Mt. Pisgah, Wayne County, Kentucky.
Reba

[cherosage]

You caught my interest with the Horn family.

I'm way down the line from Lawrence and Peggy Horn Woolery. I have been told that Peggy Horn was from the Manhattan area. We were also told that her family owned a great deal of land. This lawrence Abrahm Woolery was our first Woolery. They came to MO about 1784 +/-.

Bob

[Linda]

Welcome, Storyteller, we've got lots of NOT Indians around here and can always find room for a few more. In my own family a few folks whispered that we were Blackfoot, when the NOT Indians weren't in earshot, but in the end they're having their day.

A number of your names are on Richard Haithcock's list of surnames he's found recurring in Virginia/NC families with reports of Indian descent. Most are names associated with families believed to have Saponi ties.

Obviously, there's Collins, which has been written about extensively and is one of the only half dozen names attributed to tribal Saponi.
If Hancock is a variant of Haithcock, that's included. Daniels may be Machapunga, Hay may be Saponi. Try running yours names through the search feature on this site and see who else may have reported on them also.

If you can post any of those photos, I'd love to see them.

Again, welcome.

[Ga-Nc Collins]

Remember to do the cntrl+c option of your work before you try to send lol sometime you will have to start over if not typed in time :)



I'm going to do a quick thing here.....just some things to keep in mind.


TABITHA2 COLLINS (JAMES1) was born 1746 in Amelia Co, VA, and died 21 Sep 1821 in Spencer, KY,. She married JOEL HURT 1768 in Halifax Co, VA, son of JOHN HURT and MARGARET UNKNOWN. He was born Abt. 1738 in Pamunkey Neck, King William Co, VA, and died Aft. 1815 in Greene Co, GA.




Lucy Marchbanks ‎(I1400)‎
Birth 1720 25 17 -- Amelia, Virginia, USA
Death 1796 ‎(Age 76)‎ -- Woodford, Kentucky, USA

Married

Capt Joseph Collins (this is the 2nd Capt joseph Collins not the first one) ‎(I1401)‎
Birth 1711 -- Caroline, , Virginia, USA
Death 1765 ‎(Age 54)‎ -- Virginia, USA


Children:

Tabitha Collins ‎(I1407)‎
Birth 1752 41 32 -- Halifax, , Virginia, USA
Death 21 September 1821 ‎(Age 69)‎ -- Shelby, , Kentucky, USA

Judith Collins ‎(I1408)‎
Birth 1754 43 34 -- Halifax, Virginia, USA
Death

Josiah Collins ‎(I1410)‎
Birth 2 May 1757 46 37 -- Halifax, Virginia, USA
Death April 1846 ‎(Age 88)‎ -- Bath, Kentucky, USA

Elisha Collins ‎(I1411)‎
Birth 30 November 1759 48 39 -- Halifax, Virginia, USA
Death June 1842 ‎(Age 82)‎ -- Lauderdale, Mississippi, USA

Jerimiah Collins ‎(I1412)‎
Birth 1760 49 40 -- Halifax, Virginia, USA
Death 1830 ‎(Age 70)‎ -- Kentucky, USA

Joseph Collins Jr ‎(I1413)‎
Birth 1760 49 40 -- Halifax, Virginia, USA
Death -- Madison, Kentucky, USA

For photos of people of this line then here you go:
Carrie Madeline COLLINS:
Carrie Madeline COLLINS, born in Walthal (previously named Pike) County, Mississippi on December 14, 1888. Carrie was the daughter of John Richmond COLLINS and Florence Medora MAY COLLINS. Carrie Madeline COLLINS descends from Joseph COLLINS and Lucy MARCHBANKS COLLINS of Virginia. Carrie's Revolutionary War ancestor was Elisha COLLINS, born November 30, 1759 in Halifax County, Virginia.
http://myweb.cableone.net/cas25/mom.html (http://myweb.cableone.net/cas25/mom.html)





George Marchbanks:
He was born in Scotland and he is speculated to be the son of George, grandson of George, ggrandson of Thomas, gggrandson of John, ggggrandson of Thomas Marjoribanks of Ratho. After serving in the Jacobite uprising, he was captured and imprisoned, then deported from England. He arrived in Virginia on the Elizabeth and Ann on January 14, 1716. There he met and married Ann Eckols about 1721, daughter of John and Mary Cave Eckols. The name was shortened to Marchbanks after George's arrival in the New World. George and Ann had many children, all born in VA. George died in 1740 and Ann in 1746. Children of George and Ann Marjoribanks:
John b. March 16, 1722/23 d. January 26, 1724/25 in New Kent Parish, VA
George b. September 28, 1725
Lucy b. unkn d. unkn married Prisher
Sarah b. unkn d. unkn
William b. abt 1730 d aft 1810 in Pendleton District, S.C.
Joseph b. October 4, 1732 d. March 10, 1732/33
Ursula b. abt 1734 d. abt 1830 in Spartanburg County, S.C.
Mary Ann b. abt 1735 d. November 5, 1817 in Amelia County, VA



Research mytree.FTW ID I2072 Name Anne ECHOLS Sex F Birth Abt 1700 Death 1746 in Amelia Co.,VA Change Date 26 SEP 2000 at 01 10 19 Father John ECHOLS b 1650 in England Mother Mary CAVE b1670 in Orange Co.,VA Marriage 1 George MAJORIBANKS b in Balbardie,Scotland Married Abt 1723 in King & Queen Co.,VA Children Ursula MARCHBANKS b BET 1720 1730 in Virginia John MAJORIBANKS b 16 MAR 1722 1723 George I. MAJORIBANKS b 28 SEP 1725 in St. Peter s Parish,New Kent,VA Lucy MAJORIBANKS b Abt 1720 in Virginia Sarah MAJORIBANKS William MARCHBANKS b Abt 1730 Joseph MAJORIBANKS b 4 OCT 172 Mary Ann MAJORIBANKS b Abt 1734


Now here is a interesting thing.....go and check out the history of Orange county,VA lol the historians says the first people other than natives to live in Orange county, Va was the germans of fort germanna and that was -after- the date of Mary Cave being born there.

Orange county, Va was the home to the Manahoacs who was listed as living on the fort Christianna reservation.





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1. JOHN1 ECKOLS1,2 was born Abt. 1650 in England, and died 1712 in VA3,4.
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He married MARY CAVE Abt. 1680 in King & Queen Co., VA.
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[Ga-Nc Collins]

Notes for JOHN ECKOLS:
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John is mentioned in a lawsuit in Nov 1672 in VA.
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Children of JOHN ECKOLS and MARY CAVE are:
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i. DAU2 ECKOLS, m. NICHOLAS GILINGTON.
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2. ii. DAU ECKOLS.
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3. iii. ABRAHAM ECKOLS, b. Bef. 1686.
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iv. JOHN ECKOLS, b. Bef. 1686.
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Gen 1.
John CAVE, son of Samuel CAVE and Rachel KELLOGG , was born abt. 1637 in Caldecott, England. He married Elizabeth TRAVERS . He died 1721 in Stafford, VA. Elizabeth TRAVERS, daughter of Rawleigh TRAVERS and Elizabeth , was born bef. 1650 in Virginia. She died between 1693 and 1694 in Middlesex, VA.


Children of John CAVE and Elizabeth TRAVERS are:
1. Mary CAVE, b. abt. 1665

John Cave also apprently had another wife as well....

John CAVE, son of Samuel CAVE and Rachel KELLOGG , was born abt. 1637 in Caldecott, England. He married ANDREWS? . He died 1721 in Stafford, VA. ANDREWS? was born abt. 1640. She died bef. 1740.


Children of John CAVE and ANDREWS? are:
1. John CAVE, b. abt. 1670
2. David CAVE, b. abt. 1670


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Gen 2.
John ECHOLS, son of John ECHOLS , was born abt. 1650 in Grovesend, England. He married Mary CAVE abt. 1688 in Virginia. He died abt. 1712 in Lunenberg County, Virginia. Mary CAVE, daughter of John CAVE and Elizabeth TRAVERS , was born abt. 1665 in Orange, Virginia. She died 1761 in Virginia. Ok....1665 Orange Va...50 years before Fort Germanna?

Children of John ECHOLS and Mary CAVE are:
1. William ECHOLS, b. 1699
2. Joseph ECHOLS, b. abt. 1704
3. Elizabeth ECHOLS, b. abt. 1690
4. Anne ECHOLS, b. abt. 1701
5. Abraham ECHOLS, b. abt. 1689
6. Eleanor Mary ECHOLS, b. abt. 1690
7. John ECHOLS, b. 1698
8. Richard E. ECHOLS, b. abt. 1706

Gen 3.

Name: George MarchbanksMale
Born: at Balbardie, Scotland
Married:
Died: 17401740-1-1 at Raleigh Parish, Amelia Co., VARaleigh Parish, Amelia Co., VA
WIFE
Name: Ann Echols
Born:
Died:
Father: Echols
Mother: Cave

CHILDREN
Name: Jno Marchbanks
Born: 16 Mar 1722 at New Kent Co., VA
Died: 26 Jan 1724 at New Kent Co., VA

Name: George (marjoribanks) Marchbanks
Born:
Died: at Y

Name: Lucy Marchbanks
Born:
Died:

Name: Mrs-pedro King Portugal
Born:
Died:
Husband: King Pedro I Affonsez Of Portugal & The Algarves

Name: Sarah Marchbanks
Born:
Died:


Name: Marchbanks
Born:
Died:

Name: William Marchbanks
Born:
Died: Aft 1812 at Pendleton District, SC
Wife: Mollie Smith

Name: Marchbanks
Born:
Died:

Name: Joseph Marchbanks
Born: 4 Oct 1732 at Bristol Parish, Prince George Co., VA
Died:

Name: Marchbanks
Born:
Died:

Name: Ursula Marchbanks
Born: Abt 1734 at VA
Died: Abt 1830 at Spartanburg Co., SC
Husband: Charles Dean

Name: Mary Ann Marchbanks
Born: Abt 1735
Died: 5 Nov 1817 at Amelia Co., VA
Husband: James League

Name: George Marchbanks
Born: 28 Sep 1725 at New Kent Co., VA
Died: Aft 1752 at NC

Name: John Marchbanks
Born:
Died:
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Personally i think Mary Cave's mother was a Manahoac....</PRE>
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The Manahoac are sometimes viewed as a confederacy of tribes, or as a single tribe composed of several subtribes. These include:<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-swanton_1-4>[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manahoac#cite_note-swanton-1)</SUP>

The Hassinunga, who were at the headwaters of the Rappahannock River
The Manahoac proper, who, according to Thomas Jefferson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson), were present in Stafford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stafford_County,_Virginia) and Spotsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotsylvania_County,_Virginia) counties
The Ontponea, who were located in Orange County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_Virginia)
The Shackaconia, who were found in Spotsylvania county on the southern bank of the Rappahannock
The Stegaraki, who were in Orange County along the Rapidan River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapidan_River)
The Tegninateo, who were located in Culpeper County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culpeper_County,_Virginia) at the head of the Rappahannock
The Whonkentia, who were present in Fauquier County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fauquier_County,_Virginia) near the head of the RappahannockIn addition to these organizational units, the name of a single village is known. It was called Mahaskahod and was most likely located near modern Fredericksburg.
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[Ga-Nc Collins]

1737:
Amelia County, Virginia (1737), where the "Saponi Indians Cabins" are mentioned in a deed (Holland 1982).




Now here is a combining of pictures I did awhile back.....it is a descendant of Mary Cave.....

I added this photo next to a sketch that was done by john White int he 1580's of the Algonkians on the NC Coast. The lady on the left is part of your ancestor's people. I think it's pretty close resemblence.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/Atlanta44/collinsindian.jpg


Now here is a recreationof a monacan woman...a real monacan skull was used to do this recreation. I forget the lady who recreated it but...I think it has a striking resemblence of the above Collins lady also.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/Atlanta44/MonacanFace2.jpg

[Ga-Nc Collins]

Now....the name on your list that is of big interest to me...is the Berry family....



It is also a name of big interest with the Lost colony research groups.

[Jeff Beard]

My last name is Beard, and I have traced the Beard side back to 1850 in the Gaston Co. N.C. census my ancestor T.J. ( Thomas Jackson ) Beard is living in the household of a woman by the last name of Armstrong.
By 1860 he is not listed in Gaston Co. N.C., but probably moved over into York Co. S.C.
As he marries Emily Massey who is the daughter of John Massey and Citney Berry Massey.
Citney/Sidley Berry was more than likely born in North Eastern N.C. and her family settled in the Lincoln Co. area of N.C.
I believe the Berry family may have been of Indian descent.

[Lynneda]

Can I ask you about the picture you have on your post? I recognize it but can't figure out from where?? Also, I have Beards, Berry, Collins, Bennett, Hayes, Taylor, Young, Nichols, Kramer, Williamson...and more....

[Lynneda]

Jeff,
I have Mary Magdaline Beard 1828 m. Wesley Hudson
Mary Beard 1807
I don't know her father. My father spoke of the Berry's all the time. Wesley Hudson 1822 in Penn. Jesse Hudson is his father & was married to Catherine Oldshoe.....if anyone has more it would be great!

[Linda]

I have Hudsons in Maryland 1790. Can't trace them back further. Disparate sides of the family report they were Indian.

Here's a post concerning them:

http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?331-I-think-we-can-say-my-Hudsons-had-Native-ancestry&highlight=Hudson