surnames

[GWOLF]

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFORMATION REGARDING THE SURNAME WIGGINS OF ERIN NC
THANKS

[itconani]

Where is Erin NC? County name or area?
Anyway Wiggins is a big Muskogee name farther south. I have quite a few friends who are Creek with the last name of wiggins, either currently or in their line.

[GWOLF]

Erwin County is near raleigh, durham, cumberland, that area. Do you know of any wiggins that tied in with bledsoe? And have you heard of Lucas, dealing with balckfoot (or any other tribe at that). I'm getting no where in my research.

[Coharie Roy]

GWOLF,

Do you mean the town, Erwin, N. C.? Erwin is in Harnett County and sits along the Cape Fear River. Erwin is located about five miles west of Dunn, N. C., or, about seven miles northeast of Linden, N. C.

p.s.- In the 1790 census for Sampson County, there is an entry under the "Other Free Persons" column for two families of Wiggins: (1) Patty Wiggins, head of a household of five, and (2) Mary Wiggins, head of a household of six.

[Forest]

I believe Lucas can be a minor Lumbee name.

[itconani]

Additional imput on Wiggins:

There was a Wiggins mentioned in the Bertie Co. minutes in 1775 in relation to the Tuscarora or Chowanoke. I believe the individual was counted as Mulato / Indian.

Mary Wiggins was documented as being married to William "Bill" Lamb in Southampton Co. VA. prior to 1875. She was supposedly one of the Nottoway, while William was said to be half white / Nottoway.

[Coharie Roy]

Itconani,

Do you have a set of the Bertie County Court Minutes? If so, could you do a look-up(s)? Or, could you tell me how to write away for a copy(ies)? For most of my lines, everything seems to point back to Bertie County. Thanks.

[Coharie Roy]

I wonder if the surname, WIGGINS was introduced into the eastern North carolina Indian community by the fur trader, ELEAZER WIGGAN? Eleazer Wiggan was a white fur trader who, during March of 1730, was living with the Cherokee in their town of Tannassy.

[Linda]

I'm wondering if anyone has been able to interpret any distinction between Indian families left behind in Bertie County who were Tuscarora and those who were Saponi.

There's documentation that the Saponi were there for ten or twenty years around 1710. Does anybody remember that more precisely? Then, of course, there's the significant Tuscarora presence there. I just wonder if anybody's tried to ferret out any Saponi people in that mix.

[itconani]

i do not have a copy of the bertie county minutes. i only have my notes (handwritten) i may have copied some material down that may be if use in look up. most of my experience with bertie, chowan, washington counties etc, is that everything is on the old microfilms. i usually handwrite my material, as there is no copying process from the old reel to reel machine. however, things are becoming available as transcriptions are completed for online researchers to get "bites" and then of course follow up good leads with original material. if you want a copy of the court minutes from Bertie, you would need to contact the state archives in Raliegh for a copy - idont know in what format they would send you though - or of a book right off that has them published. there is a fee from raliegh and it takes forever. but once again, i started looking at these places before the technology really started flying, so some of my experience may be outdated. the library in Windsor is no mecca by any means.

on other groups, of course the meherrins are located here, as are the southern tuscarora, some chowanoke remnants, and weanokes. i have not pulled decidely "saponi" names out of these - but later tusacarora descendants from this area are now Saponi in hollister, if that makes sense? look at the post on "nottoway, Nansemond, and Chowanoke" for a little more within this forum branch. I believe more will be revealed as time goes by about these relationships and old reserve lands within these areas.

[Linda]

Sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean by "but later tusacarora descendants from this area are now Saponi in hollister" Bad head cold. Can't think too clear.

Glad to know you've got your eye out on this.

[itconani]

earlier reference to Tuscarora now in hollister -
The tuscarora had their reserve after 1712 defeat - most were later moved up north but not all. [of course http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/smile.gif ]
some definately move up river into halifax nc. these tuscarora descendants are now part of the "saponi" tribe in hollister, nc.
i wasn't trying to be tricky, just point out that later tuscarora definately become part of "Saponi" relations in halifax co., having migrtaed from Bertie co. whether or not there were established Saponis in bertie and move based on kinships up river, i do not know. i would be interested to see corrosponding names between known Saponis living on Tuscarora reserve c. 1715 and later families in hollister area in late colonial period.

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

itconani:
What do you know about the area of Plymouth,NC, Washington Co.? Anything of interest happen there that you are aware of? Any landmarks?
Brenda

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[Crystal]

One option of the Bertie County Natives being Saponi is the fact that Northampton County was formed from Bertie County. Of course you are going to find alot of the same surnames and same Native lines in Bertie due to the fact that the families didn't move, the county lines did. The same goes for those in Southampton and Greensville Counties, VA. Some early Northampton County records are found in Greensville because the state line moved on them. http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/smile.gif Just a thought I would throw out.


Crystal http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/smile.gif

[Coharie Roy]

Stumbled upon this and thought I'd pass it along. Here are the salient parts that caught my attention.

March 22d. 1710-11 Rec'd from John Wright Esqr, Agent, Twenty One Bonds for Sundry Indian Traders to take out Licences-----Wm. Dettypoole [sic], Thomas Edwards & Henry Tally of Virginia yr. Bond---cwh, listed as partners in bond
Mr. Goer & Britts Bond
Wm. Canteyes Do.
Nath. Caines Do.
John Pights Do.
Cards, Sheels, & Wiggins Do.
John Moores Do.
Ricd. Prices Do.
Trumbals & Richardsons Do.
Holford, Peiree, & Giffen Do.
Weaver & Chester Do.
Graves & Cundy Do.
Card & Weavers Bond for Three Indians yt. trade for them
Long thurston & Warrin Bond
Cornelius LeMotts Bond
Benj. Clees Bond
Wm. Bannisters Bond
Dicksons Bond for ye time he Traded wth.out a License
Nathaniel Evans of Virginia his Bond
Ricd. Smith & George Smith of Virginia their Bond
David Crawly John Evans & Ricd Jones of Virginia their bond
These traders not only went into the Carolinas, but also were apparently active in the local Indian trade. The native people in southside Virginia at this time were the Saponi, the Ocaneeche, the Eno, and the Tutelo, part of the eastern Siouan speaking tribes. The Treaty of Fort Christianna on 27 February 1713 led to an era of settlement where these Indians lived at Fort Christianna, including a 36 square mile area set aside for them, located in what is now Brunswick County (4). Richard Smith helped to build Christianna (5).
George II. To all know ye that for diverss good causes & considerations but more specialty for and in consideration of diverss services performed toward making the new settlement for the Saponi Indians at Christ Anna persuant to a treaty with that Nation We have given granted and confirmed and by these presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto Richard Smith of Isle of Wight County one certain tract or parcel of land containing three hundred and ninety acres lying and being on the south side of the Meherrin River in the county aforesaid (and being part of that tract of land whereon the said Indians lately dwelt and which they have surrendered to us in exchange for a like quantity of land which we have assigned them at the aforesaid place of Christ Anna) and bounded followeth, to wit, Beginning at a pine in the Sapone old field a corner of Edward Brantley...In witness & witness our trusty and beloved Alexander Spotswood out Lt. Governor at Williamsburgh under the seal of our said Colony the twentieth day of February one thousand seven hundred and nineteen in the sixth year of our Reign.
A. Spotswood
William Pettypool lived about 20 miles northeast of Fort Christianna on Mocossoneck (Monk's Neck) Creek. Other Indian Traders, namely Richard Smith and Roger Tillman, lived on adjacent land on Monk's Neck Creek. In 1711 William had 65 acres surveyed on the south side of Monk's Neck Creek, which was adjacent to land he leased to Joseph Stroud in 1711, in Prince George County (formed from Charles City County in 1703) (6).
http://www.mindspring.com/~baumbach/ppoole/ppoole3.htm

[Buffalowm]

Linda,
My Hyman side is from Bertie and Martin Counties (across the river from each other) . Martin Co was part of Halifax until it was divided and became Martin Co. I'm sure that there were still Saponis that stayed in the area that became Martin Co. I do know that in Warren Co history the early inhabitants were, Saponi and Tuscarora. Warren Co is a county over from Halifax Co and Nash Co. I read somewhere that that area was at one time Halifax and broken off to become Warren, Nash and Martin Co. Palmer Springs Va was a part of NC at one time. I found my gr gr gr grandfather John Plummer on the census in Va in Meherrin Township in the early 1800's. I still am not clear on the tribal affiliation of the Plummers. Don't know if they are Meherrin, Tuscarora or Saponi. I do know they originated from VA until my gr gr grandfather John S. Plummer and his siblings were born. (in NC). One of his brothers married someone in Ahoskie. Is that Meherrin territory in NC. If anyone has any information on what tribes were located in Meherrin Township in the early 1800's let me know. As for my Haliwa Saponi people we are a mixture of Tuscarora, Saponi, Coharie and it has been said Meherrin. My grandfather (who attended Hampton Indian School in the late 1800's) He was old enough to be my grandmother's father. Well, anyway he lived in Sampson Co when he was married the first time. I don not know his mother's maiden name , but I have a feeling her family was from Sampson Co and may have been Coharie or of course Tuscaroras were there at that time also. I have met one of the Hyman family members from Martin Co and have confirmed my Tuscarora ancestry on the Hyman side. Hyman was a name my gr gr grandfather was forced to take, but he and my gr grandmother refused to learn to read or write in the english language. They spoke their native tongue I have been told to each other and their children.

Jade

Jade