Walker family

[Judy Tweedy]

My grandmother told 4 generations a story about an Indian ancestor and how he met his fate. I have been searching for him for years in my quest for my ancestry. Briefly I will tell the story and the facts that we know.
There was a many greats grandfather of ours. He was a Blackfoot Indian who was married to a white woman. His name was Beady(?spelling,?nickname,?translation,? white name) Walker. A white man stole his only horse. He hunted and found the thief and killed him,as was the custom to do with horse thieves in that time. But the whites got a group together and went to find Beady,as Indians were not to be with white women and they sure were not supposed to kill whites for any reason. They followed his pregnant wife as she was sneaking food to him where he hid in the hollow of an old tree. They captured him and took him to town where they promptly hanged him. Grandma never changed her story one bit,except in her older years she once said that he was Cherokee. None of our family has ever came from the northern part of the states where the Blackfoot were. Family was from Ky.,Ten.,Va.,N.C. After doing research I found out about the Blackfoot Cherokee and the Melungeon types from these areas. So I really do think that this is the answer. I proved all of my grannie's other family stories,except this one. I also think that if I were a mother whose husband met his demise such as Beady did,I would hide my children's ethenticity for their safety,perhaps even go into hiding with them.
I have only found the Walker line down to my 3rd g grandfather,Jonathan Walker b. ca. 1799 Ky. or N.C. Censuses say Ky.,but the old historians said N.C. He claimed to be Scotch. He d.1854 Dubois Co.,In. m. Mary Polly Brenton in 1854 in Perry Co.,In. d/o Maj. James Brenton and sister to Peter Brenton the founder of Petersburg in Pike CO.,In.Jonathan was the first settler in Cass Township,Dubois Co,In. He had been in Knox,Spencer,Pike and other southern Indiana counties,most were the same county,just made one off of another during the years.Jonathan was an Indian fighter was in the battle of Tippicanoe and the war of 1812. But some Indians did help us. Jonathan was a bare fisted fighter and never lost. He was a big and powerfull man. He was well over 6 ft tall and over 200 lbs. He could not hold his liquor and loved to fight. He was chosen for log rollings. He once made a bet that he could crawl on his hands and knees through snow and slush over a mile,swim across the Patoka River through the ice,swim back across and crawl back the way he came. He won the bet. He once picked up a huge hog,through it over his shoulder and when it bit him,through it down so hard it killed it. Joanthan was well liked and had much land. He was the first man arrested for murder in Dubois Co,but was found innocent as the man who actualy had done it skipped and was never found. Jonathan's sons were in the Civil War. One was killed. According to their papers they were all very tall,dark complexioned,and dark brown eyes,as Jonathan was said to be. Jonathan was buried in Mt Vernon cemetery in Dubois,near his home,but his father in law and many of the Brentons were buried in Siple Indian Mound Cemetery,also in Dubois CO. Many have been trying for years to find Jonathan's pedigree. Others have heard that he was Indian,but no one can find his parents. There is much written on him in Dubois Co.,but nothing prior to comming to Indiana,although some say he was an Indian fighter in Ky too. We do know that he had bros with him in Indiana,Isaac who m. a Risley,and James. There was also Benjamin and a John (but this may be Jonathan,himself)who might be bros who were in Indiana with him. There is also a Thomas,who was older. He was thought to have been with George Rogers Clark,and possably lived in Clark Co or some other southern Indiana CO. He stayed with Jonathan when he came to sigh petitions,etc,but was not permanetly with him. Some times Jonathan went by Jons or Jots or John. I do have his children's lines.
THis is all that I have on him,except for more of his famous stories. As for Beady Walker,we have no dates,places or wife's names. Jonathan could be a son or grandson or further back to Beady. My grandmother practiced folk or mountain medicine. She was called on when they could not get a doctor. She taught me much of it. She was a midwife. She used all kinds of folk remedies. I knew her sisters and they all talked very quaint,like mountain people did. They were born in Pike Co. She had lots of superstisions,old sayings,planted by the moon,etc. I also knew her aunt,Jonathan's grandaughter,and have a picture of my g grandmother,her sister. If they did not look Indian,neither did Tonto. My gg aunt looked and acted so like one. I still have pictures of her.
Anyway, can anyone please help me? I know that I am searching for an Indian in a haystack,but I know that he is there! I had hoped that I would be able to solve this mystery and prove grannie's story before my mother and her sister died,but I did not make it. They both died within 12 days of each other one year ago,the last of my grandmother's children. As I said,I have proven all of grannies other family stories,so I do think that it was true. It may have been a bit changed down threw the generations,but not by her. She did say that Beady was an Indian chief,but I did not put much credence in that part as I figured that it was embelished down through time. IF one has an Indian in there heritage,they want him to be a chief! But too many factors do add up in the puzzle to the fact that the Walkers were Indian,and I really do think that it all points to your Blackfoot Cherokee or another like the Melungeon. I am also trying to learn about my husband'sw family,but that will be a separate posting. This story is my passion. I just have to find Jonathan's pedigree! Does any of this sound familiar to anyone?
Thanks so much,Judy

[Judy Tweedy]

I forgot to add that my mother,myself and my children all have the characteristics. We all have shovel teeth(at least I did before I had them capped!) The anatolian lump on the base of the head,second toe larger than the great toe,the extra eye folds,and others. I even have a cousin that has an extra toe on one of her feet.
The more that I read on this site,the more names that I see which may connect to our family. Johnston/Johnson,Ralston,Bolin and more.
Can I find a list of the names that are common?
Thanks I realy do like this site!

[Bill Childs]

Judy,
Jonathan Walker's dau Indiana marr'd Harvey Vandiver on 12 Nov 1857 in Spencer Co., Ind. Some family trees showing Jonathan d.abt. 1856 are incorrect.

1860 Spencer Co., In Census; Carter Twp; 25 Aug; p.124; P.O. Dale, Ind
Household 893:
Harvy Vandiver, 21, male, - , Farmer, $0 R.E., $60 Pers.Prop; Ind
Indiana.........., 17, female, - , Ind.
Melvina.........., 11 months, f, - , Ind.
Jonathan Walker, 72, male, - , $0, $60, Ky.

Household 896 was Jonathan's son-in-law Sword Beard who marr'd Catharine Walker on 13 May 1848 in Dubois Co., Ind, but Catherine must have died by 1860 as "Sord" 's wife is Sariah, 19, b. Ky.

I found marr records for several of Jonathan's children if you don't have those.

[Judy Tweedy]

Dear Bill,Thanks so much for your reply. We know about the census with Indiana Walker Vandiver and her husband with Jonathan Walker in it. We do have a picture of Jonathan's tombstone,put there by the DAR. It has 1854 on it. The census has been brought up in discussion by many. However,it is thought by most that it has to be a cousin,nephew,etc of our Jonathan. I have reserves about it myself,just do not know what to agree with. However,it HAS to be a close relative,if not Jonathan,due to the family links and aprox. birth dates. I have a double conection to Sword Beard/Baird who married Catherine Walker,Jonathan's daughter. My link to the Walker family is through son,Dessick who had a daughter,Elzina Walker,my g grandmother. She m. Hugh Beard/Baird who was a relative of Sword. I think,although I have not found much on it,that he was a bro to Hugh Beard, I do know that my family has said that he was a relative,but not sure how. I would be interested in any of the records that you have,although I do have some of them. Know that my g grandfather,Dessick Walker was m. 6 or 7times. He married,Prudence (Prudy,Pudia) Mayo(1st wife and mother of all of his children) , Widow,Celia H. Waller, Mary E. Woodker,Elizabeth Williams,Mary E. Bennett,Widow Spraggins,and Widow Matilda Hopkins,nee Radford.
You know the Beard family marries into the Walker family at least four times in from both the children of Jonathan and the children of Dessick,also one other connection where a Beard m.a bro of one of Goodman who m. another of Jonathan's daughters.THis makes me curious as to just how far back the Walkers and Beard/Baird's were connected. The father of Hugh Beard ( my g grandfather and husband of Elzina Walker)was Obedient Baird/Beard. The name Beady Walker could sure come from a name like Obedient. Just food for thought. Thanks for the info and please keep looking for my Native American ancestor who is so well hidden!

[Bill Childs]

Compare the 1850 census to the 1860 census posted above.

1850 Dubois Co., In Census; Patoka Twp; 28 Aug; p.468; household 641:

Jonathan Walker, 60, m, - , farmer, $300, Ky.
Mary..............., 55, f, - , Ky
Sampson........., 22, m, - , farmer, Ind.
Derrick............, 18, m, - , Ind (does not look like Dessick to me)
Bloomfield........, 16, m, - , Ind
Charlotte........., 13, f, - , Ind
Lurena............., 11, f, - , Ind
Indiana............, 8, f, - , Ind

Household 642 is Jesse Sumner and Surilda (nee Walker)
Household 643 is Peter Walker and Martha (nee Winkler)
Household 644 is Thomas Sumner and Mary (nee Walker)
Household 645 is Sourd Beard and Catherine (nee Walker)

some distance away in Household 790
is Finley Collins and Mary (nee Walker)

[Judy Tweedy]

All of these counties were connecting counties in Southern Indiana. Even if it is our Jonathan,it still does not give me any hints of his ancestry or pedigree. Just brings up more questions. The dates and family links sure makes one wonder if indeed,it was him.
There just has to be something someplace in Ky.,or N.C. that we can learn something from! Of course the counties of Ky. and N.C. being where they orriginated from makes me think that Va. can also be included in the list of probable places,and could add Tenn. to it. There were just so many Walkers of the same names as he and his bros. that it just muddles which one is them. I am thinking that if no one has anything on Jonathan,why not his bros.Isaac or James. Perhaps Benjamin,John,or the Thomas who fits in. Maybe very early Indian records in the areas. Then of course there is good old Beady(or what ever or however it was spelled) Walker. Any native references to him? Could Beaty have been the last name and the first Walker,back then? Perhaps the white wife was named one or the other. Just more questions. I have tried to look in the Cheokee censuses that are on the internet,but have not been able to find him. Of course all of the native names,make me wonder,what would be the Cheokee name for Beady Walker(or as I said the real name or spelling thereof) Thanks for any help in this mystery. I am not as easily swayed as my daughter,that it was not a real story that grannie told. Too many things point to it as being real. Down threw however many generations it went down to her,some things may have been changed,but I do think that it was a real ancestor,and if it takes until I am senile,I intend to keep searching for him. JOnathan would have been her g grandfather,so that is not too many generations,although she never knew him.

[Tony Walker]

Judy, we need to get together sometime so I can share some information with you. My name is Tony Walker, and I am directly linked to Jonathan Walker, Dessick, etc. I do have some great pictures I am willing to share with you if you want digital copies, I also have most of the original documents from that time area concerning my Family. I was lucky enough to come across a relative in Spencer County that once I proved who I am to them, gave me a entire collection of Walker heirlooms, including nice items as guns, to smaller things as farm tools, dishes, and journals. (Not to much on the journals..a few from the sons of Jonathan during the Civil War era... because reading and writing was something a farmer cherished..lol) The older gentleman was towards the end of his Life and wanted to make sure it stayed within the family and not at a auction. It has been a 3 year journey all through Southern Indiana, but a fun one. I'll be honest, I doubt I will check these forums that much at all. Someone contacted me about your posts here, and after reading it I thought we should speak via either email, phone, in person etc. SO...contact me through email at xboxjunkie@insightbb.com. I live within Gibson County, Indiana so I hope in fact your near also. Take care.

Btw, I have some updated info on the Indiana theory who spoke about last year to me on here. Found someone in Duff, Indiana that has some info.

Tony Walker

[Junglegeorge]

Thanks to you all for sharing. I have a ggrandmother and grandfather Walker who were from Md and Pa areas. I think that there may be a connection as the family lore stories have interesting matches. I will tell them to you as I recall them.

My granfather Portch had many brothers (6 or 7), some of them were alcoholic and were beaten up by the other brothers and sent away permanently for the trouble that they had cause. His wife was Maxine Walker, and her father and uncle Norman also lived in N Va. All can be traced back to both Williamsport, Lancaster, and Blackfoot Town Md I believe.

Anyway, the story goes like this. That John Walker was this incredible man as you described. The stories as a kid left me thinking this guy was a hero and like superman. Now my ggrndfather Walker always vowed that they were of scottish or dutch descent. Yet his wife used to sarcastically comment 'all indians say that'. As a kid I never thought much about that.

She used to go into the basement and smoke a pipe, and it was her big secret. I discovered it as a child, after a family reunion we had stayed to help clean up and I wandered down there and caught her. She told me not to tell anyone or the family would reject her and look down on her and make big problems for her so I never did, as I thought then it was a one time things she was trying out.

Anyway, I am rambling. However, my grandfather Portch, also a darker reddish skinned, strong and tall man, was a superintendent for a large construction outfit. My grandmother's family was always angry because he would not hire them,(Walkers) due to their 'drinking problems'. The lore is that at one point in time the family in the MD, PA areas split over those work/drinking/family issues, and the many brothers scattered and noone knew where they went, as they lost touch permanently. The brothers in the Portch side did the same thing, and my grandfather told us the last he saw of some of his brothers or heard from them was the day he took them to the train station, sent them off, and told them not to come back ever.

Oddly, I have never seen or met any one from the Walker side of my family other than my g grandad, his wife, his brother Norman, and his family. Norman was also a tall lanky man with reddish darker skin and a guant nose. Eugene, his brother, was smaller and smiling and gentle and kind hearted all the time, but also had that nose. It is not a nose you see in dutch or scottish descent at all to my knowledge. I do remember that one of their lifelong struggles was to find decent work. For some reason noone would hire them for a good paying job, even other relatives, which hurt them very much. I presume that may be because of the drinking and/or the indian descent.

I know as a kid I remember my grandfather Portch telling me that his bosses would not let him hire Indians because of their drinking problems. He seemed very sad and sorrowful about it, and stated 'he wished he could but would lose his job if he did'. he would always get very silent and look out the pickup truck window for while after saying that and I would just sit there. I could almost see ears in his eyes. He loved to play with us kids and collected all types of toys and trains for us to play with when we came over.

He was a strong man and had a picture of an indian cheif on his mantle that was never explained to me. It has disappeared. I was always told 'it was just a picture of an indian' but it was in the prize position on the mantle. He also had large oil painting portraits of indians on his walls, that I was always told were just nice pictures he liked. His features and skin tone and color matched those of the people in those pictures exactly. On his desk (he was a contractor with a small cluttered office in a corner of the house by the stairs) was another framed picture, a small drawing it appeared, of an indian. I'm guessing it might have been his father or grandfather.

Unfortunately when he died, the 7 kids, brothers and sisters all with spouses, went to war with each other over his possessions, and everything was carted off and sold. Everything that was left as sold in a yard sale to help my grandmother pay for the funeral costs and his medical expenses. Most of the family still does not communicate as a result of all that. It left bitter scars. All I got from him was an old screwdriver.
I want to call my grandmother to find out more, but am a bit leary as her and my mom have been in a bitter fued for years over little junk imo, and my mom recently left my dad which is her son.

I would appreciate any more Walker or Portch history anyone can find or knows. I cannot find anything on Portch. It seems a large number of them suddenly appeared in Williamsport/ Cumberland gap arrea of Md 4-7 generations back. That is where the Potomac meets other large streams and where the Gap was widened for traveling traders and was mostly setlled by Blackfoot or Taponi indians from what little I understand so far. It was a river junction that natives from all over could easily canoe goods for trading to and from all the way from Blacktown, to Clarksville by water, and up into Deleware, WV, Ohio, and PA They all meet together right there.

[Junglegeorge]

Also, my dad says there was a Mary Walker but he is not sure if she was a sister or aunt or other relative of his grandmother.

[Junglegeorge]

there is also a list on a treaty about the blacktown area with a list of hte original 100 and John Walker's name is on that.

[Linda]

Did you hear about Blackfoot Town here, or did you know about it already? What is this treaty?

[Junglegeorge]

I had heard of it, but always thought it was in W Va or western Va somewhere, until I read more about it here. I will try to find the document again (not sure if it was a treaty), from what I understood of it it had the list of 100 original families there.

[Junglegeorge]

Did you hear about Blackfoot Town here, or did you know about it already? What is this treaty?

It was not a treaty, but a list of the Dagsborough 100 based on tax records I believe. The land treaty was with a notable female chief, apparently and later challenged.(of course)

http://www.accessible.com/amcnty/DE/Delaware/delaware76.htm

[techteach]

I have traced two of those lines, Marvel and Prettyman, to Blackfoot Cemetery in Indiana. By that, I mean, online genealogy lines posted by some descendent demonatrated the connection between the areas.

I have two of those surnames, Potter and Houston.

Techteach

[Linda]

Can you track down that list? So we know now at least one Indian family was on that list. Who knows what else it will tell us.

Thanks.

[techteach]

I don't know if this is the same family line (It is not the same web page. That one was different in looks.) I remember from a few years ago when Brenda Sampsel and I were tinkering with a connection, but this one works. It shows the family in Sussex County, DE and then later in Gibson County, IN.

Techteach

[Wachinika]

Thanks, Junglegeorge, for this awsome link! Down the page in JG’s link in post #13 is the list of the first settlers in the area. Given the date, Indians were having land deeds by this time so these may be possible leads, would you think? I’ll recopy the link in this post too and include the list so we know we always have it here. Thanks again, Junglegeorge:

http://www.accessible.com/amcnty/DE/Delaware/delaware76.htm

The following is excerpted from Accessible Archives:


Joseph Houston, a brother of Robert Houston, Jr., purchased of David Moore, February 5, 1785, one hundred acres, part of "Lane’s Adventure," which was a Maryland warrant granted to Hinman Wharton, whose sons in 1772 sold to David Moore. Two days later, February 7, 1785, Joseph Houston purchased two hundred acres of land adjoining, also on the south side of Indian River, within a half mile of Dagsborough Town. This land was bought of Nehemiah Tunnell, who received it by will from his father, William Tunnell.

The original homestead of the Houstons has been in possession of the family from its purchase in 1754. The Burtons who were early residents in Dagsborough Hundred, will be found mentioned in Indian River where they first settled.

It is impossible to follow the numerous families who were early settlers in the hundred, but the following list of taxables made in the year 1785, shows clearly who were residents of the hundred at that time, but it should be born in mind that the Cypress Swamps, in the south part of the hundred, now in Gumborough, were part of the territory but were very sparely settled.

Aydelott, Isaac.
Anderson, Jesse.
Burton, Jacob.
Brookfield, Uriah.
Betts, Jonathan.
Bothims, Joseph.
Butcher, Robert.
Bivens, Widow.
Burton, Woolsey.
Brookfield, Azariah.
Barns, George.
Burton, Wm.
Cottingham, Elisha.
Cade, Thomas.
Cordery, Jacob.
Cottingham, Wm.
Chamberlain, James.
Carey, Solomon.
Carey, Ebenezer.
Collins, Elijah.
Collins, Eli.
Carey, Elijah.
Danby, John.
Dingle, Dr. Edward.
Dagworthy, Gen. John.
Day, Anguish.
Derrickson, Joseph.
Dingle, Wm.
Daugherty, Benjamin.
Daughters, Thomas.
Derrickson, Benjamin.
Derrickson, Wm.
Derrickson, John.
Evans, John.
Evans, Walter.
Evans, Wm.
Evans, Joshua.
Ellingsworth, Robert.
Ellingsworth, Richard.
Ellingsworth, Brotherer.
Evans, Caleb.
Fuller, John.
Freeman, Michael.
Forgue, Michael.
Gibbons, John.
Girlle, Wm.
Hull, Wm.
Hudson, Thomas.
Hopkins, Wm.
Hopkins, Robert.
Hopkins, George.
Hewitt, Wm.
Houston, Robert.
Houston, Joseph.
Howell, John.
Horner, George.
Hutchinson, Archibald.
Johnson, John.
Johnson, Benjamin.
Ingram, Robert.
Jacobs, Abraham.
Jefferson, Job.
Jones, Martha.
Ingram, Job.
Johnson, Bartholomew.
Jones, Thomas.
Jones, Ebenezer.
Ingram, Jacob.
Jefferson, Elihu.
Jones, Wingate.
Ingman, Joshua.
Jefferson, Widow.
Johnson, Bat.
Kinney, Saunders.
Kollock, Simeon.
Kellum, Thomas.
Kellum, Jesse.
Kellum, Wm.
Layton, John.
Layton, Eli.
Lockwood, Benjamin.
Lockwood, Samuel.
Long, David.
Lockwood, Armwell.
Long, John.
Long, David.
Long, Armwell.
Mars, Ezekiel.
Mosely, John.
Morris, Bevins.
Morris, Lacy.
Messick, George.
Marvel, Thomas.
Marvel, David.
Morris, Wm.
Maxfield, Nimrod.
Mills, Jonathan.
Morris, John.
Moore, David.
Mitchell, Wm.
Mitchell, George.
Moore, Wm.
Marvel, Philip.
Morris, Robert.
Morris, Joshua.
Messick, Benjamin.
Messick, Minors.
Marvel, Robert.
Moore, Isaac.
Messick, Isaac.
Nicholson, John.
Nettingham, Jonathan.
Newbold, Margaret.
Newbold, Wm.
Newton, Wm.
Odwell, Wm.
Prettyman, Robert.
Prettyman, Thomas.
Prettyman, Joseph.
Prettyman, George.
Philips, Ebenezer.
Philips, John.
Parsons, Robert.
Philips, Benj.
Piper, Joseph.
Powell, Wm.
Potter, David.
Powell, Levi.
Potter, Nehemiah.
Potter, James.
Rodger, John.
Russell, Wm.
Rowan, Thomas.
Robertson, Joseph.
Rodney, Wm.
Ratten, Josiah.
Robinson, Joshua.
Short, Jacob.
Short, Philip.
Schofield, Widow Ann.
Sockam, Widow.
Sockam, James.
Sharp, Wm.
Salmon, Wm.
Short, Jacob.
Short, Samuel.
Starr, Jacob.
Short, Edward.
Short, Elizabeth.
Scudder, Enoch.
Salmon, Benj.
Tindle, John.
Tharp, John.
Thoroughgood, John.
Thoroughgood, Miller.
Thompson, Wm.
Thompson, James.
Tall, Richard.
Tingle, Wm.
Tingle, John.
Tingle, Caleb.
Thoroughgood, Wm.
Thompson, Smith.
Veazy, Chas.
Veazy, Zadock.
Walker, John.
Waples, Elihu.
Watson, Peter.
Waples, Mary.
Waples, Elizabeth.
Waples, Paul.
Waples, Peter.
Waples, Wm.
Willy, Thomas.
Wharton, Elizabeth.
Wharton, Winman.
Watson, Smithers.
Wingate, John.
Wharton, George.
West, Thomas.
West, Robert.
West, John.
Waples, Wm.
Gray, Wazeheat.
Jacob, Jonathan.
Robinson, Joshua.
Thoroughgood, Paul.
Gosler, Job.
Jefferson, John.
Schofield, Wm.
Salmon, Aydelot.
Weathers, Isaac.
Rowls, Samuel.
Marvil, Thomas.
Morris, Joseph.
Pepper, John.
Wharton, Wrixham.
Amos, John.
Prettyman, Wm.
Baylis, James.
Lacy, Collins.
Jones, Zachariah.
Rawlins, Charles.
Parsons, Robert.

[techteach]

Oops, I see another of my surnames here. Not only do I see Houston and Potter, but my Potter married a Horner. She is listed as having been born in Princess Anne, MD, only 40 miles away from Dagsboro. Interesting. I am not entirely sure of the route that they took to get to Iowa though. There were Potters in Licking County with the rest, but I am not sure if they were mine.

Oh, and I also have Mitchells, not in my direct line, but connected to the line.

Techteach

[Wachinika]

I believe this George Horner is one of the 2 Georges in my son's paternal grandmother's tree. There is a post somewhere on this forum that says William Horner had a Saponi living in his household. When I get it scanned I'll post a picture of Margaret.


George Horner b.1726 Maryland

William Horner m. Elizabeth Allred

George Horner m. Jemima Russell

Spencer Horner

Dr. John Turner Horner

Martha Isabell Horner m. 1 George Wilson 2

Isadora Quami Wilson m.William Smith

Herbert Smith m. Amy Clements

Margaret Isabell Smith [my mother-in- law]

[techteach]

I do not know the parents of my Rachel Horner. Here's what I collected from some family member:

William Potter b. 28 Aug 1767 Baltimore city
Maryland married abt 1792 to Racheal Horner
b. 28 Apr 1777 Queenstown, Queen Annes co,
Maryland. William Potter died 24 Jun 1853
Hickory Grove Cemetery, Emeline, Jackson co.
Iowa. Racheal Horner-Potter,died 24 Oct 1865
same as husband.
Children:
1)Nathan Potter b.29 Oct 1795 Baltimore, MD,
d. 3 Aug 1879 Jones co.,IA. Married 1) Fanny
Duel on 27 nov 1821, Licking co., OH 2)
Elspy Gilmore
2)Susannah Potter b.20 Nov 1798 Baltimore, MD
married Hyatt Willison 8 DEC 1818 Licking co,
OH.
3)Luke Potter b.28 April 1802 Fairfax co. VA
d. 30 Oct 1859 Jackson co.,IA. Married
Jane Sinkey 12 DEC 1821 Licking co., OH.
b,1804 d.15 Apr 1858
Daughter of William Sinkey 1750-1840 &
Mary McCartney

4)William Potter b. 1804 Fairfax co.,VA
d.1858 Jones co.,IA. Married 21 Aug 1827 Licking co.,OH 1) Eliza Dewel b.1804 NY d. 1832. 2) widow Mrs. Julia Dewel d. 1876.

5)Rachel Potter b.15 Nov 1808 Fairfax co.,VA
Married George S. Duel d. 7 Dec 1861
on 23 DEC 1825 Licking co,OH

6)Nicolas Potter b.2 FEB 1815 Licking co.,OH
7)Benjamin Potter b.7 DEC 1818 Licking co.,OH
8) Nancy Potter b.27 Jun 1822 Licking co.,OH

Per a introduction in the book of poems
written by George Duel,grandson to William
& Racheal Horner-Potter, titled
"Armeggedon" published 1905,
William Potter's father was also a William
Potter, he came from England as a young man
married a English girl (Ruth Nancy Davis)
and both died of the plague in Baltimore Maryland in 1780.
William Potter b. 1767 appears to have two
older brothers. 1) b. 1763 and 2) b.1765.
their names have not been discovered.
William Potter, joined the 10th Virginia
Regiment as a private.He was 13yrs old in
1780 when he joined Lt. Nathan Lamm's
company a foot.
Techteach

[Wachinika]

Spencer Horner m. Permelia Turner

Dr. John Turner Horner m. Susannah Boen

I have dates & locations for all these, Horners are well documented.

techteach, I appreciate your sharing that.

[Junglegeorge]

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[Junglegeorge]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=9 width=506 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width="53%">Burton, Wm.
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[Junglegeorge]

John Walker is on there. His name appears repeatedly on many tribal roles. So that is at least one native american.

[Junglegeorge]

Also, due to the fact the land previously belonged to the Queen of a tribe, I would assume those living there would be her people as a temporary majority. The wonderful, generous granting us of our own land was always temporary wasn't it? The real question is how fast did her people have to clear out of there. Since many of those names also appeear on the reservation census roles I've read, I would assume it was within one or two generations of that time.

[Junglegeorge]

I also highly suspect that Lord Baltimore's challenge was the beginning of the end of it as Blackfoot Town, and the natives by then must have known the process they were being put thru and the game being run on them, so may have left early for safer grounds. I know if I had a family there in those conditions I would have vacated them ASAP, most likely thru the Cumberland Gap area or up into PA. That would also explain the seemingly slow procession to Kansas.

I know the first man claiming to be a Portch in my line was born in 1818 and the only record I have found of him is within 2 yrs of settlers arriving and the land deeds deal at the Kickapoo reservation in Brown Co Kansas.

His grandson later showed up according to family lore from Wyoming 'or someplace Im not exactly sure' is what gma said tonite.

(maybe he passed thru Wyoming, but I suspect most of the time he was on that reservation learning english and getting his methodist credentials from the methodist mission there. I know he did not come from Basque country as a methodist missionary as was his claim, there weren't any over there in Spain, just catholics were allowed in that region. In his view he was probably walking directly into the lions teeth and the fulfillment of the prophecy given by the respected Chief out there and probably expected to see some major changes in his lifetime. I guess the Great Spirit does things on His timetable not ours.)

[Junglegeorge]

I forgot to mention that is the Portch who first showed back up in the Va/DC area as a methodist preacher in a prominent methodist church in DC. He claimed to be Basque. He was a tall strong man, prominent nose, had very dark reddish skin and looked indian, as did his children, one of whom is my grandfather.
His name shows up on census records in Brown Co Kansas when there was only the Kickapoo reservation there. His gfather and gmother's name match names I have heard from the family, and they show a bd of 1818 and are in those same census in Brown Co kansas. Reports from those sent by the president to investigate the area state that they 'found no white settlers at that time.' They place the dates of the first settlers in Brown Co around 1859-1861.
The roles on ancestry.com of indian reservations have quite a large number of Walkers, Myers, and Hunters listed, in various states (inlcuding Wyoming, Oklaholma, Arkansas, etc), with similar bd years and names matching my relatives reports. Looks to me like the same families wandering around, perhaps in hopes of a land grant, or people just commonly assuming those english names.

It looks like my ggrandmother Hazel Myers, who married Norman Walker and appears on the same reservation census, was born (listed as 1 yr old) on one in Wyoming which matches the birth date yrs my gma gave me last night for both of them. Looks like they must have moved back east sometime soon after that as their names stop appearing after being listed repeatedly annually right up until then.

Here is a list of the Walker and Myers names I have so far in my family, maybe you can find a match.
Norman and Audley Walker, Malinda Walker, Ada Walker, David Walker, Mabel Walker, Charles Walker, Rice Walker, Helen Walker
Wilbert Ross Myers, Mary Hunter, marrried and became Mary Hunter Myers(this couple m gma relates as many times telling her her ggrandma was an indian squaw), thier children, Hazel, Erma, Edna, Amos, Wilbert, William, Louis(e)?, Emery -all Myers
either Charles or Rice Walker married Lily Bell Schaffer

i will find a link to a couple of those reservation census reports and post it for you, just enter your various names and see who pops up. I was shocked to see my realtives living on a reservation that I have seen with my eyes in Va, in their early childhoods it seems passing from reservation to reservation.

[Junglegeorge]

http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1059&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0&cj=1&o_xid=0002098328&o_lid=0002098328

http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1059&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0&cj=1&o_xid=0002098328&o_lid=0002098328

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=0&f5=Rice&f6=Walker&sx=&f16=&f17=&rg_f18__date=&rs_f18__date=0&f23__n=&f20=&f21=&f22__n=&f26=&f25=&f32=&f27=&fa20=&fa18=&fa14=&gskw=&prox=&db=indian_schedules&ti=0&ti.si=0&gl=&gss=IMAGE&gst=&so=3

http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1059&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0&cj=1&o_xid=0002098328&o_lid=0002098328

Thx to the other poster who linked this site for your help.

[Junglegeorge]

I posted it with those links so you can see these families did not settle in one place for long in those times. They were natives still living their native ways and still looking for the 'happy hunting grounds' many are still seeking.

[Junglegeorge]

I found my mother's father's line listed in those same reports, Mary Louise Chamberlain, my gfather's John Henry Chamberlain's much older sister who raised him due to their parents dying of old age, appears in a South Dakota census report as a 1-4 yr old baby. Obviously she left the reservation as a small child or the list would have continued until she was older. A Henry Chamberlain appears in a Montana census.

[techteach]

There is a Wyoming Valley in PA where many NA were settled before the Revolution.

Techteach

[Junglegeorge]

I have to wonder what all really took place during that time period as tribes migrated north into Pennsylvania from a native perspective. here they were driven from tehir fertile farmlands and food sources, going into areas with harsher winters and armies of both the french and english entrenched against them and each other.
As they were doing that it is clear they were reforming, regrouping, and clans and families were deciding which routes to go and not go. As they did that we also see some tribal warrior counts drop drastically(perhaps many did not agree and went off with other groups/tribes?) while others grew. From the Va/Piedmont family of souian (call them tutelo, blackfoot, or saponi whatever tuist you) they were probably picking up small clans and tribes as they went who all realized they had to get out of the area. I am sure it was a sad and hard time for them all. Hard times tend to bring people groups who may not have been so close before much closer, especially when a common destroying force is at work against them.

I have read where the Caddo, a tribe that occupied parts of N Va and DC areas, probably was a spin off from another va tribe (powhatan? maybe), joined the Delewarre tribe as they went. After that the Delaware tribe went out to cloud co kansas then quickly to Oklaholma. They drifted around from reservation to reservation. I wonder how many natives of the vriosu tribes left their former tribes when they met in Pa and went with them, rather than north into harsher winters, poorer farm lands, and the armies of the French.
I am starting to think that is how many of my ancestors originated and migrated. They pop up in the reservation roles of various states out west later. Obviously moving around, obviously intermarrying, listed usually as tribal members with whatever reservation sections they were living in. I wonder how many of them wandered from reservation to reservation looking for lost relatives, like people did post ww2.

I even found my now g mother's name as a less than 1 yr old baby on one. It is clear to me they moved then back towards their homelands, settling for a time in New castle and Shenango (considered a Caddo and a Delaware tribal village). Later they moved back to the N Va area, sort of retracing their migration steps in reverse. Checking Shenango's census records, there were no people of their names living there prior to people of the same names disappearing from reservation census roles out west.
I have to wonder if some of my family did not originate from further south in the Roanoke arrea where my g mother held a farm for a while in her 50s. Later the Va gov seized the property due to back taxes that were owed previous to her even owning it, they claimed.
Anyway, I just have to wonder how many families share a similar migration/return history who may have joined the Delaware tribe as they went west for safety. I have ot wonder if it was not a majority of Saponi rather than a minority who made that choice in Pa.

To me it seems more sensible that more would choose to go west then, to known feritle farmlands with natives already farming to supply food there, where no hostile enemy militaries exist. Than to go north and face a dubious situation with a known fierce enemy in the Iroquois, and the french armies as well as harsher winters and poorer farmlands.
The Caddo were obvioulsy either related with or very friendly with the Saponi, shared their souian heritage, and went with the Delaware. At that time the native had been promised the lands in Kansas, Arkansas, and Oklaholma.
Another indicator for that this may well be what happened, is the pictures you have on the site Linda, the one of the man on the lower right looks very much like my ggrandfather Walker, the lady next to him shares a strong resemblance to my gmother.
It is easy for me to trace my lineage thru 3 out of my 4 grandparents to reservation roles or the areas right around them pre settlement by europeans. It is finding out what happened before that that is harder.

I see both a Walker and a Chamberlain with my family first and surnames in Blackfoot Town. Does anyone know of any documents or roles that may have listed Delaware tribe members? They seem to disappear from historic records when they went west, I suppose landing on reservations and being listed as Dakota/Souix or other tribes.