Mystery Ancestors - Feathers, Gibson, Gilbert, Thompson, Saunders

[aminky]

Greetings to my cousins/brothers/sisters on this forum!

I have recently started tracing my family's "your g-grandmother was 1/2 Cherokee" legend. I didn't quite find that to be true, but have found some possible native american connections and leads. Mostly, I come up with folks I just can't seem to find info on, and I'm given to understand that lack of info plus family tradition indicates *possible* NA. Possibly several of the names on my "Mystery Ancestor" list will be quite familiar here... :) I wonder how many others here may be searching for or know of connections I don't have??

Anyway, here goes my list - and all of this is from the internet, with little or ususally NO documentation, so take it for what it is worth.


1. Elizabeth Mary “Betsy” b. c. 1735 Descendants claim she was a Feathers, a Cherokee Indian.
Married Richard Parsons, Born: 1730 at: Surrey or Wilkes County, North Carolina, Died: 21 FEB 1785 at: Pittsylvania Co Va.
Married: 1744 in NC

Notes: At least one website gives the parents of Elizabeth as John L. Feathers & Sarah Sherrett and another speculates she may have been a Spence. Apparently there are two Richard and Elizabeth Feathers Parsons. The older pair were born 1720 & 1725 and were married in Va. Their children were Hannah, Agness, George, Joseph, Sr, James, John, John, Samuel, William and Richard, Jr, Lydia and Joseph. My ancestors were born in 1730 & 1735 and married in NC. Their children were: James, Joseph, George, Jonathan, Mary, Tabitha, Milly and John.


2. Eva/Ava/Avy Nancy Gibson (born c. 1790-1795 in TN, died 1866 in Fairfield, Jefferson Co. (which may be in IA, WV or VA, depending on the source)
Married Samuel David Marion b.1790 in Va. d.1845
(from http://community-2.webtv.net/GinnyLee1/TheMarionFamilyofVa/page13.html:) Resided in Va., Claireborne & Hawkins Counties, Tenn., Edgar & Cole Counties, Ill., Mo., & Iowa he fought in war of 1812 Enlisted in East Tn. Militia under Bunch's Regiment.4/27/1814 joined Capt. Dobbins Co. 6/3/1814 discharged as a Private, buried at Fort Madison, Lee County, Va.

Note: Lee co. VA & Hawkins/Claiborne co. TN are right on the VA/TN border and is the focus of Melungeon research as noted in other threads on this board.


3. Sarah E. Thompson (possible birth: 1827, Scott county VA)
Married William N. Marshall, b. c. 1822, Stokes co. NC
May not be same name couple that married April 1847 in Tipton, TN
Children:
Anna MARSHALL b: Abt 1850 in Lee Co, Virginia
Martha MARSHALL b: Abt 1852 in Lee Co, Virginia
Benjamin Franklin MARSHALL b: Abt 1854 in Lee Co, Virginia
Mary MARSHALL b: Abt 1856 in Proctor, Owsley Co, Kentucky
Alfred MARSHALL b: Abt 1859 in Proctor, Lee Co, Kentucky

Note: Could this be a daughter of William P. Thompson, born c. 1790 TN??


4. Mollie Gilbert, b. c. 1706,
married Thomas Noble in Prince George Co, Maryland.
(Thomas born in 1704 in New Mill, Banffshire, Scotland, Died March 3, 1762 in
Frederick, Maryland. )
Children: George Noble, Thomas Noble.

George Noble. Born ? in Prince George Co, Maryland. Died Sept 1800 in Frederick Co (now Clark Co) Maryland. Spouse: Mary Anne Alexander, the daughter of Gerald Alexander & Mary Dent.
Children: George Noble (see below), John LW, Mary Anne, Thomas, Alexander, Catherine.


5. Julie Winnie Saunders, b. c. 1755-1760, possibly Culpeper, VA (Have also seen birthplace listed as PA. Could Winnie be from the Welsh Wynne??)
Married George Noble. Born 1751 in Fairfax, VA. Died in Loundon Co, VA.
Parents: George Noble & Mary Anne Alexander.
Children: Nathan Noble, Enoch, Ethan, Mary, William, Patsy, Mollie, John.


So there is where I am at present in my research.

AMinKY

[Linda]

Welcome Aminky. I just wanted to drop a quick note that the Gibson name is very important in Saponi ancestry, being one of just a half dozen that is documented to a tribal Saponi family. So . . . if you can trace that one back it may lead somewhere special.

[sammarroq]

Aminky,

The Gibson name is in my line also. Who were Eva's parents? I tried to find her on Ancestry, but only came up with One World Tree info, which is not always correct. This is what it listed for eva though, b. 1792 Tippah, MS. d. 1866 Fairfield, Jefferson Co. WV. The spouse is the same, just the birth place is different. Here are some of my Gibson's, see if any ring a bell; Isabelle (Ibby) Rosina Virginia Gibson (b. VA), John Gibson (b. NC) , George Gibson (b.NC), Martin Gibson (b. KY?). Welcome, there are many people here who are gifted in research and can help you find answers.

Shirley

[PappyDick]

That birthplace of Eva Gibson (Tippah, MS) is suspect -- Tippah is a county formed in 1836 from the Chickasaw Cession, so when she was born, there was no MS and no Tippah keeping records. (It may have been a local Chickasaw place name, and the record could have been found in someone's Bible -- entered a good bit later than 1792.)

Eva's husband had War of 1812 service and might conceivably have found her, as a 22 year old Chickasaw, if he went down the Mississippi with the Tennessee Volunteers to fight the Battle of New Orleans (8th of January, 1815, and it's also a pretty good fiddle tune). But the records cited indicate that he was discharged before that. And 22 would be an old maid, in that culture.

Technically, there was also not a Tennessee for her to have been born in, 1790-95. It was still NC, or the Territory of the US Southwest of the River Ohio, in that time frame. But that's more of a quibble; there were lots of people in what is now TN in 1790-95. The ones who had family Bibles, etc. lived in the northeastern part, or on the Cumberland (settlement centered on Nashville). There was a Spanish garrison at present Memphis; I think that was called the 4th Chickasaw Bluff. Anyway, most of the state was not then populated by literate Christians, of whatever ancestry. So if that's where she was born, there is not likely to be any contemporary evidence of it. Which is not to say it didn't happen; could be a pretty interesting story here, if you could somehow nail it down.

[sammarroq]

PappyDick,

Where do you find all your info? It is wonderful. I have seen that early census records only cover some states, and some only list heads of households, which can make searches difficult. Thanks for the clarification.

Shirley

[Bill Childs]

Aminky,
The county seat of Jefferson Co., Iowa is Fairfield.

1850 Jefferson Co., Iowa Census; Locust Grove Twp; 14 Nov; p.411(overleaf); household 127:

Wm C. MARION; 24, male, - , farmer; $400; Va. (indexed 'Jace Marion' , 50)
Clarissa..........; 20, female, - , NC
Prissilla...........; 1/2 (?), f, - , NC
AVA MARION; 50, f, - , TENN
Martha..........; 18, f, - , Ill
Anna M..........; 1, f, - , Ill
..........................................

1860 Jefferson Co., Ia Census; Polk Twp; 14 July; p.106; P.O. Abingdon, Ia; household 646:
William MARION; 34, m, - , farmer, $450, Va
Clarissa..........; 31, f, - , NC
Priscilla..........; 11 (?), f, - , Iowa
Frances.........; 7 , f, - , Iowa
Colitta...........; 5, f, - , Iowa
Arvilla............; 3, f, - , Iowa
Veley(?).........; 3/12, f, - , Iowa (could be "Veby" )

....
Bill

[aminky]

Thanks for the replies everyone -

Linda, it would be very exciting to be able to discover which Gibson line Ava comes from. My gut tells me she IS native american, at least partially. I think we can *probably* rule out an association with the Gibson family that founded Fort Gibson in nearby Lee co. VA. I suspect she is more likely associated with the Gibsons of Lee VA, Hawkins (etc) TN, and earlier in NC.

Shirley, I have NO idea as yet who Ava's parents were, nor do I have names of any sibs.

Bill, thanks for posting those census records. The first indicates a birthdate of 1799-1800 - if that is correct, than I may have a TN census with Ava's name after all. I will have to track down more census info for other locations if it is out there, and see if the age/dates are consistent. If we can revise the birthdate to 1800 there is a chance we can figure this mystery out. I'll try to check this out this afternoon.

AMinKY

[sammarroq]

Aminky,

While I was doing some Gibson research I came across these names, I don't know if they belong to your line, but you can check it out. I posted the link on the bottom, if you wish to view all (it's a long list).

VALENTINE GIBSON b c1844 IN s/o Andrew Gibson & Rebecca ____ m 27 Aug. 1865 MARTHA J. CAREY b c1847 IN.
This family was living in Monroe Twp Del Co IN in 1880.
THE GIBSON CHILDREN:
1. Safrona b c1867
2. Evelina b c1868
3. Anda b c1870 (Mar 1868) m 17 Sep 1898 Anna McAllister b Jun 1868
4. Daniel b c1873
5. Elbert b c 1877
6. Ollie b c1879

G1411
BORTER GIBSON b c1868/9 IN s/o Garrett Gibson & Elizabeth Clements m 18 Mar 1891 MATILDA J. REYNOLDS
THE GIBSON CHILDREN:
1. Ray H. b c1893
2. Roy E. b c1894
3. Iva B. b c 1898
4. Earl L. b c1900
5. Ora A. b c1903

G522
ROBERT R. GIBSON s/o Taylor Gibson & Edith Amanda Tuttle m 7 Feb. 1870 MATILDA JANE PERRY
THE GIBSON CHILDREN:
1. Taylor H. b Feb. 1880 m 22 Nov. 1899 Emma Sailors
2. Franklin B m 17 Mar 1900 Sarah( Sadie) Horn
3. Iva b 1890
Rosa V. b 1902 Granddaughter
Emma b 1907 Granddaughter

http://homepage.mac.com/wkfisher1/Genealogical_Glean/Gibson.html

[aminky]

I am coming up with a few Ava Gibson/Ava Gipson hits, but most are a bit later than the one I'm looking for. Unless she married VERY young :eek: But now I am wondering if the Cherokee part was right after all, as I found this rather tantalizing tibbet:

United States of America
State of Oklahoma
County of Muskogee


Elizabeth Gibson Mullins

Be it remembered, that on this seventeenth day of December in the year of your Lord one thousand, nine hundred and seven, before me a notary public within and for the county and state aforesaid, personally appeared Elizabeth Mullins, of Muskogee, in said county, the applicant before the Special Commissioner of the Court of Claims for the Eastern Cherokee Enrollment, whose application is numbered 294, who being by me first duly sworn according to law, doth depose and say in relation to the above mentioned claim as follows:

My grandfather, Joe Gibson, also called "Fisher" Gibson, lived in Lee County, Virginia, and when the Indians were driven out of Virginia, he ran away from there, and settled in Eastern Tennessee, where my father, Keener Gibson, was born, and where my father lived during his whole life. There was no tribal district where we lived and no tribal rolls were kept there, and that is the reason that we lost our enrollment. The Indian people in that region and time were unlettered, and there was no one to insturct them in regard to keeping up their tribal relations. I have often heard my father say that he had land in the West if he was only able to go and get it. I was married in Tennessee and lived there until about five years ago, when I moved to texas, and i have never lived where I could be enrolled until since the Cherokee rolls were closed. My grandfather could not talk English, and spoke only the Cherokee language, and my father spoke both English and Cherokee.

Elizabeth Mullins Her Mark
17th day of december 1907
=================

Ruben Mullins
English Name: Ruben Mullins
Indian Name: Unknown
Residence: Muskogee
State: Indian Territory
Date and Place of Birth: February, 1855 Hancock County, Tenn.
By what right do you claim to share? If you claim through more than one relative living in 1851, set forth each claim separately: Through my grandfather (maternal) Solomon Collins (full-blood Cherokee)


Give names of your father and mother, and your mother's name before marriage
Father --English name: John Mullins
Indian name: unknown
Mother--English name: Mahala Collins Mullins
Indian name: unknown


Where were they born?
Father: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Mother: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Where did they reside in 1851 if living at that time?
Father: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Mother: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Date of death of your father and mother


Father: Fall of 1900 Mother Sept. 1901

REMARKS:
Solomon Collins is said to crossed into Tennessee and married Jincy Goins, and settled there, because he was afraid the chief would kill him if he returned to the tribe.

Signature
Ruben Mullins His Mark
8th day of November 1906
==============================
Kizziah Gibson
Residence; Gulleltt Kentucy

Aunt of 31695 and claims throught the same source

[31695 is Christina Cole, daughter of Hezekiah Gibson]

How old are you [1837] born in Tennessee

Are you married No

To what tribe of Indians does he or she belong? Cherokee

Father and Mother; Bryson Gibson and Fannie Gibson

Where were they born?
Father; in Virginia or Tenn
Mother; '' ''

Where did they reside in 1851 Don't know [Hezekiah/Kiah Gibsons
application says they lived in Morgan Co., Ky.]

Father died 1865
Mother died 1867

Brothers and sisters
Tyra Gibson
Polly Gibson
Dice Gibson
Alex Gibson
Betty Gibson
Ava Gibson
Burl Gibson
Kiah Gibson

State English and Indian names of your grandparents
Thomas Gibson
Polly Gibson

============

Still nothing certain for me here. Shirley, I think I may have come across references to John Gibson and George Gibson born in NC - do you have dates for them?

AMinKY

[sammarroq]

Aminky,

I see the Mullins name often when searching for Gibson's, seems the families were closely associated, as they were with the Looney's, Bunch, Colllins's, etc. Here is what I have on George, he was b. 1813 Perry, KY, d. 186? Buchanan, VA. John (m.Hulda Thomas)was b. 1836 NC, d.? George's father was Martin (m.Eleanor ?), b.1775 NC, I believe his father was Archibald (m.Vashti Cole) b. 1750 NC, and his father was possibly Thomas b. 1720, d. 1802. I would appreciate any info you come across.

Shirley

[sammarroq]

Just a note, there is also the Cherokee story in my Gibson family, I am not sure where it came from. My father said his grandmother's mother or her mother was taken to Ardmore, I can find no documentaion to back this story. One more thing, he said his grandmother Celia Baldwin Shortridge (mother:Ibby Gibson) always spoke of a Felistie. I don't know if she was related to the Gibson's, my dad brings her name up often, she must have been important to my GGrandmother.

Shirley

[sammarroq]

Aminky,

Here is another case for the Cherokee myth:


Chief Attakullakulla:

"As a result of a great battle with the Spanish, six soldiers were spared. Over a period of time they achieved a degree of freedom, took Cherokee wives, and adapted their lifestyles as best they could. When the Cherokee began alliances with other European visitors, including the French and English, the descendants of the Latin soldiers were banished into 'the upper reaches of the Pellissippi' to an area known today as the Clinch Mountains, along the Tennessee, Kentucky and Virginia borders."

Taken from ~James Mooney, **Myths of the Cherokee**, originally published in the 19th Annual Report of the Bureau of American Ethnology, in 1900, & republished in 1995 by Dover Publications, Inc, NY.

I have to believe that there was much contact between NDNs and colonists, and that much intermingling went on. I think of my family; my father is far too dark, and is continually asked by local NDNs what tribe he's from. To have only had NDN blood from a GGGGrandfather seems unlikely.

Shirley

[Bill Childs]

aminky,
Some additional info:

1860 Decatur Co., Iowa Census; New Buda Twp (and P.O) , 14 July; p.89; household 616:
George GOBLE, 35, m, - , Miller, $300, $100, Va.
Rebecca J....., 29, f, - , Ill
Mary C........., 9, f, - , Iowa
Eliza A.........., 8, f, - , Iowa
Susannah J...., 4, f, - , Iowa
John W.........., 2, m, - , Iowa
AVA MARION, 69, f, - , Va.

I'm still looking at the Samuel Merion/Marion's of Lee Co., Va, but there's no specific lead yet.
Bill

[tarcarion]

Aminky,
I've found a listing in the 1860 Lee CO. VA Census for a Z. or B. S. Gibson, house #49, family #52, age 31, merchant, real estate $4500.00, personals $8500.00, born Lee Co. VA. This guy is a rich man by 1860 standards. My William Thompson family are neighbors in house 45.
Next, a Chiny Gibson, age 16, born in Owsley Co, KY, living with Chadwell and Sarah Britton in house #115, family #123.
I'm still searching for more GIbsons in Lee Co. VA

Jim

[Akhasa]

Hey Guys,
Take a look at the Gibsons in Macon and Haywood Counties NC to see if it connects or feills in some gaps. Just a thought.

akhasa

[aminky]

Hey all,

Thanks for all the imput... sorry to say I've made no progress the last week mainly due to constant 'puter problems. Time to bite the bullet & go for something new :(

I too had come to the realization that Ava Nancy just might NOT have actually been born in Hawkins Co. but perhaps in NC or VA. I wonder how many other Gibson families migrated with Shepard Gibson?

No progress on finding Sarah Thompson in Scott co. VA either. I came across some information that I think links at least some of the Thompsons from that area are related to some enrolled cherokee Thompsons. Naturally, this would be when the 'puter died and I am unable to retrace my exact steps to find the info :(

I may not be able to post here for a while, but I hope others will continue to dig out this Gibson clan. It would be so exciting to be able to put us all together in our proper lines to see how we are related to one another.

AMinKY

[tarcarion]

aminky,
I have Thompons in Scott Co, VA around 1800. Jonathon Thompson, b about 1745, married Rebecca (?). They are members of the Thompson Settlement Church in 1830's, Jonathon is listed as deceased in 1832 but Rebecca is still alive then. Their son is William Thompson b. about 1803 who married Catherine Porter Carter b. 1815 (these dates are approximate, I don't have my notes with me now). One of their sons is Sylvester Elijah Thompson b. 1837, my gr.gr. grandfather who married Sarah Jane Mark(s).
I believe there are at least two unrelated Thompson families in Lee Co. VA in the 1800's. There are a Steven "Long Steve" Thompson also and a Capt. James Thompson in the early 1800's in Lee/Scott Co's VA that I don't think are related to my line. I haven't found any direct NDN connections to this family though. Sarah Jane Mark(s) is descended from John "Old Trader" Benge and his white wife, Elizabeth Lewis and their son Thomas (I think that's the name).

Jim

Jim

[BlondeyeLaurie]

Wowza Aminky! You made my day !!! I had never before seen "Elizabeth" (Gibson) Mullins' Eastern Cherokee Application....I suppose due in part to the fact that I knew her as her given name: Nancy Elizabeth Gibson...so this is wonderful news and I thank you for posting/sharing. Her father's family did quite a bit by way of "sticking close to home" when marrying...and tracing them is always confusing because of the name variations. Her father Keener was also known as Kenner...his sibs: Morning (who MD Samuel Mullins), Mary (md1: Dotson Gibson; md2: Samuel Mullins*above widow of her sister), Preston (md1: Margaret UNK 1 CH; md2: UNK 1 CH), Zachariah (md: Louvinia Alsept) & James called Jim (no information). Kenner's children with wife Hettie Collins were: Preston (md : Margaret Goins), Nancy Elizabeth (md: Reuben Mullins), Nancy Jane (md1: Elbert Mullins; md2: Madison Mullins; md3: William Davidson), Eliza Jane (no info), Andrew J. (md: Sarah UNK), Kelly (no info), William K. (no info), Hillary (male; thought to have died young), & Queen Victoria (no info but a right groovy name!).
Reuben Mullins' family is quite well documented and connects in many ways to my Gibson, Cole, Collins and Nichols lines....which is a double edges sword in many ways...makes for LOTS of info but sorting it is the wicked task for us.
Kizziah Gibson's line is also connected directly to my maternal Nichols line in that she was purportedly a sister to my G G G grandmother Nancy Gibson. I find it most interesting that you mention her sibling: AVA....I had never before seen her name made mention of...I knew all of the other siblings names as Kezziah's (and more) but that is right interesting so I will definately have to see what else is out "there" on Ava Gibson. Kezziah's siblings I know as: Elizabeth "Betty" (mg UNK), Tyre (md: Martha J. Sevier), Alexander (md: Mary UNK), Burwell (md: Cynthia Gibson), Ira (md1: Christina Shepherd; md2: Mary Ann "Polly" Nichols; md3: Sarah Wireman), Hezekiah (md1: Nancy Nichols; md2: Margaret "Martha" Hensley), Mary "Polly" (no info), Francis (no info), Squire (md1: Nancy "Sibbie" Harmon; md2: Nancy Smith; md3: Perlina Jane Cole), Caryan (no info), Kissiah/Kezziah*above*, Nancy (*MY purported ancestor md: State Nichols), Dicey (no info), Jefferson (*MAY have md Rachel Cornwell), Elijah (no info) and now: Ava! (whew* I'm worn out just THINKING about that many kids!...I have 5 and that is plenty!!!)
Anywho...I hope this helps someone to some measure and again...I thank you for posting such close to home and wonderful information. Blessings to you and yours~~~~Laurie

[beeleaf]

Hi,

You may already have this, and it might not be helpful, but there's a marriage record in Rockingham Co, NC for:

Henry P. FEATHERS and Ann E. ADAMS....12 Feb 1851

[cthorpeky]

Greetings to my cousins/brothers/sisters on this forum!

I have recently started tracing my family's "your g-grandmother was 1/2 Cherokee" legend. I didn't quite find that to be true, but have found some possible native american connections and leads. Mostly, I come up with folks I just can't seem to find info on, and I'm given to understand that lack of info plus family tradition indicates *possible* NA. Possibly several of the names on my "Mystery Ancestor" list will be quite familiar here... :) I wonder how many others here may be searching for or know of connections I don't have??

Anyway, here goes my list - and all of this is from the internet, with little or ususally NO documentation, so take it for what it is worth.


1. Elizabeth Mary “Betsy” b. c. 1735 Descendants claim she was a Feathers, a Cherokee Indian.
Married Richard Parsons, Born: 1730 at: Surrey or Wilkes County, North Carolina, Died: 21 FEB 1785 at: Pittsylvania Co Va.
Married: 1744 in NC

Notes: At least one website gives the parents of Elizabeth as John L. Feathers & Sarah Sherrett and another speculates she may have been a Spence. Apparently there are two Richard and Elizabeth Feathers Parsons. The older pair were born 1720 & 1725 and were married in Va. Their children were Hannah, Agness, George, Joseph, Sr, James, John, John, Samuel, William and Richard, Jr, Lydia and Joseph. My ancestors were born in 1730 & 1735 and married in NC. Their children were: James, Joseph, George, Jonathan, Mary, Tabitha, Milly and John.


2. Eva/Ava/Avy Nancy Gibson (born c. 1790-1795 in TN, died 1866 in Fairfield, Jefferson Co. (which may be in IA, WV or VA, depending on the source)
Married Samuel David Marion b.1790 in Va. d.1845
(from http://community-2.webtv.net/GinnyLee1/TheMarionFamilyofVa/page13.html:) Resided in Va., Claireborne & Hawkins Counties, Tenn., Edgar & Cole Counties, Ill., Mo., & Iowa he fought in war of 1812 Enlisted in East Tn. Militia under Bunch's Regiment.4/27/1814 joined Capt. Dobbins Co. 6/3/1814 discharged as a Private, buried at Fort Madison, Lee County, Va.

Note: Lee co. VA & Hawkins/Claiborne co. TN are right on the VA/TN border and is the focus of Melungeon research as noted in other threads on this board.


3. Sarah E. Thompson (possible birth: 1827, Scott county VA)
Married William N. Marshall, b. c. 1822, Stokes co. NC
May not be same name couple that married April 1847 in Tipton, TN
Children:
Anna MARSHALL b: Abt 1850 in Lee Co, Virginia
Martha MARSHALL b: Abt 1852 in Lee Co, Virginia
Benjamin Franklin MARSHALL b: Abt 1854 in Lee Co, Virginia
Mary MARSHALL b: Abt 1856 in Proctor, Owsley Co, Kentucky
Alfred MARSHALL b: Abt 1859 in Proctor, Lee Co, Kentucky

Note: Could this be a daughter of William P. Thompson, born c. 1790 TN??


4. Mollie Gilbert, b. c. 1706,
married Thomas Noble in Prince George Co, Maryland.
(Thomas born in 1704 in New Mill, Banffshire, Scotland, Died March 3, 1762 in
Frederick, Maryland. )
Children: George Noble, Thomas Noble.

George Noble. Born ? in Prince George Co, Maryland. Died Sept 1800 in Frederick Co (now Clark Co) Maryland. Spouse: Mary Anne Alexander, the daughter of Gerald Alexander & Mary Dent.
Children: George Noble (see below), John LW, Mary Anne, Thomas, Alexander, Catherine.


5. Julie Winnie Saunders, b. c. 1755-1760, possibly Culpeper, VA (Have also seen birthplace listed as PA. Could Winnie be from the Welsh Wynne??)
Married George Noble. Born 1751 in Fairfax, VA. Died in Loundon Co, VA.
Parents: George Noble & Mary Anne Alexander.
Children: Nathan Noble, Enoch, Ethan, Mary, William, Patsy, Mollie, John.


So there is where I am at present in my research.

AMinKY
Avy Nancy Gibson was my G-g-g-grandmother.Her daughter, Rebecca was married to my G-g-grandfather, Fleming Thorpe. Avy and Samuel David Marrion moved west and are buried in Fairfield Iowa. Some of the kids went on west and was a part of the Oregon Trail. I think Avy's dad was George Gibson but I have been unable to find documentation of this. Too many George Gibsons. A lot of the Gibsons were/are Melungeon.
My name is Cleland Thorpe and I live in Corbin Ky in the summer and Weslaco Texas in the winter. Let me hear from you and I will try and share what I have on these families.

[cthorpeky]

I am coming up with a few Ava Gibson/Ava Gipson hits, but most are a bit later than the one I'm looking for. Unless she married VERY young :eek: But now I am wondering if the Cherokee part was right after all, as I found this rather tantalizing tibbet:

United States of America
State of Oklahoma
County of Muskogee


Elizabeth Gibson Mullins

Be it remembered, that on this seventeenth day of December in the year of your Lord one thousand, nine hundred and seven, before me a notary public within and for the county and state aforesaid, personally appeared Elizabeth Mullins, of Muskogee, in said county, the applicant before the Special Commissioner of the Court of Claims for the Eastern Cherokee Enrollment, whose application is numbered 294, who being by me first duly sworn according to law, doth depose and say in relation to the above mentioned claim as follows:

My grandfather, Joe Gibson, also called "Fisher" Gibson, lived in Lee County, Virginia, and when the Indians were driven out of Virginia, he ran away from there, and settled in Eastern Tennessee, where my father, Keener Gibson, was born, and where my father lived during his whole life. There was no tribal district where we lived and no tribal rolls were kept there, and that is the reason that we lost our enrollment. The Indian people in that region and time were unlettered, and there was no one to insturct them in regard to keeping up their tribal relations. I have often heard my father say that he had land in the West if he was only able to go and get it. I was married in Tennessee and lived there until about five years ago, when I moved to texas, and i have never lived where I could be enrolled until since the Cherokee rolls were closed. My grandfather could not talk English, and spoke only the Cherokee language, and my father spoke both English and Cherokee.

Elizabeth Mullins Her Mark
17th day of december 1907
=================

Ruben Mullins
English Name: Ruben Mullins
Indian Name: Unknown
Residence: Muskogee
State: Indian Territory
Date and Place of Birth: February, 1855 Hancock County, Tenn.
By what right do you claim to share? If you claim through more than one relative living in 1851, set forth each claim separately: Through my grandfather (maternal) Solomon Collins (full-blood Cherokee)


Give names of your father and mother, and your mother's name before marriage
Father --English name: John Mullins
Indian name: unknown
Mother--English name: Mahala Collins Mullins
Indian name: unknown


Where were they born?
Father: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Mother: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Where did they reside in 1851 if living at that time?
Father: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Mother: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Date of death of your father and mother


Father: Fall of 1900 Mother Sept. 1901

REMARKS:
Solomon Collins is said to crossed into Tennessee and married Jincy Goins, and settled there, because he was afraid the chief would kill him if he returned to the tribe.

Signature
Ruben Mullins His Mark
8th day of November 1906
==============================
Kizziah Gibson
Residence; Gulleltt Kentucy

Aunt of 31695 and claims throught the same source

[31695 is Christina Cole, daughter of Hezekiah Gibson]

How old are you [1837] born in Tennessee

Are you married No

To what tribe of Indians does he or she belong? Cherokee

Father and Mother; Bryson Gibson and Fannie Gibson

Where were they born?
Father; in Virginia or Tenn
Mother; '' ''

Where did they reside in 1851 Don't know [Hezekiah/Kiah Gibsons
application says they lived in Morgan Co., Ky.]

Father died 1865
Mother died 1867

Brothers and sisters
Tyra Gibson
Polly Gibson
Dice Gibson
Alex Gibson
Betty Gibson
Ava Gibson
Burl Gibson
Kiah Gibson

State English and Indian names of your grandparents
Thomas Gibson
Polly Gibson

============

Still nothing certain for me here. Shirley, I think I may have come across references to John Gibson and George Gibson born in NC - do you have dates for them?

AMinKY
This Avy Gibson was married to Charles Gibson. He was my G-g-grandfather on my paternal grandmother's side of the family. The Collins listed on the Cherokee application are also my ancestors. I have a copy of that application.
Cleland

[Bill Childs]

Cleland, Are you back in Corbin where you have your notes?

[cthorpeky]

I am coming up with a few Ava Gibson/Ava Gipson hits, but most are a bit later than the one I'm looking for. Unless she married VERY young :eek: But now I am wondering if the Cherokee part was right after all, as I found this rather tantalizing tibbet:

United States of America
State of Oklahoma
County of Muskogee


Elizabeth Gibson Mullins

Be it remembered, that on this seventeenth day of December in the year of your Lord one thousand, nine hundred and seven, before me a notary public within and for the county and state aforesaid, personally appeared Elizabeth Mullins, of Muskogee, in said county, the applicant before the Special Commissioner of the Court of Claims for the Eastern Cherokee Enrollment, whose application is numbered 294, who being by me first duly sworn according to law, doth depose and say in relation to the above mentioned claim as follows:

My grandfather, Joe Gibson, also called "Fisher" Gibson, lived in Lee County, Virginia, and when the Indians were driven out of Virginia, he ran away from there, and settled in Eastern Tennessee, where my father, Keener Gibson, was born, and where my father lived during his whole life. There was no tribal district where we lived and no tribal rolls were kept there, and that is the reason that we lost our enrollment. The Indian people in that region and time were unlettered, and there was no one to insturct them in regard to keeping up their tribal relations. I have often heard my father say that he had land in the West if he was only able to go and get it. I was married in Tennessee and lived there until about five years ago, when I moved to texas, and i have never lived where I could be enrolled until since the Cherokee rolls were closed. My grandfather could not talk English, and spoke only the Cherokee language, and my father spoke both English and Cherokee.

Elizabeth Mullins Her Mark
17th day of december 1907
=================

Ruben Mullins
English Name: Ruben Mullins
Indian Name: Unknown
Residence: Muskogee
State: Indian Territory
Date and Place of Birth: February, 1855 Hancock County, Tenn.
By what right do you claim to share? If you claim through more than one relative living in 1851, set forth each claim separately: Through my grandfather (maternal) Solomon Collins (full-blood Cherokee)


Give names of your father and mother, and your mother's name before marriage
Father --English name: John Mullins
Indian name: unknown
Mother--English name: Mahala Collins Mullins
Indian name: unknown


Where were they born?
Father: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Mother: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Where did they reside in 1851 if living at that time?
Father: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Mother: Hancock Co., Tenn.
Date of death of your father and mother


Father: Fall of 1900 Mother Sept. 1901

REMARKS:
Solomon Collins is said to crossed into Tennessee and married Jincy Goins, and settled there, because he was afraid the chief would kill him if he returned to the tribe.

Signature
Ruben Mullins His Mark
8th day of November 1906
==============================
Kizziah Gibson
Residence; Gulleltt Kentucy

Aunt of 31695 and claims throught the same source

[31695 is Christina Cole, daughter of Hezekiah Gibson]

How old are you [1837] born in Tennessee

Are you married No

To what tribe of Indians does he or she belong? Cherokee

Father and Mother; Bryson Gibson and Fannie Gibson

Where were they born?
Father; in Virginia or Tenn
Mother; '' ''

Where did they reside in 1851 Don't know [Hezekiah/Kiah Gibsons
application says they lived in Morgan Co., Ky.]

Father died 1865
Mother died 1867

Brothers and sisters
Tyra Gibson
Polly Gibson
Dice Gibson
Alex Gibson
Betty Gibson
Ava Gibson
Burl Gibson
Kiah Gibson

State English and Indian names of your grandparents
Thomas Gibson
Polly Gibson

============

Still nothing certain for me here. Shirley, I think I may have come across references to John Gibson and George Gibson born in NC - do you have dates for them?

AMinKY
The Gibsons and Collins on this application are direct ancestors of mine. I have a copy of this application.
Cleland

[tianicwanga]

Hi everyone,
Are there any Minnie Gibsons from Eastern South Carolina my great grand mother's name was Minnie Gibson and she was from around Florence South Carolina?

[cthorpeky]

Information about Ruben Mullins can be found in the book "Lest we Forget" The Melungeon Colony by Jim Callahan. Jim is the G-G-Grand son of John and Mahala Mullins. Lots of pictures and copies of the enrollment applications of Elizabeth Mullins and Ruben Mullins can be found in Chapter 10 of this book.

As for Ava/Avy Gibson; I know of at least 2. One was married to Charles Gibson. These two were my G-G-Grandparents. The other Ava/Avy Nancy Gibson was married to Samuel David Marion. Samuel David Marion Sr is buried in the Clark Cemetery near Jonesville Virginia. Samuel Jr and Avy's daughter was married to Fleming Thorpe, also my G-G-Grandparents. These folks were in Lee County Virginia. The Marions moved on to Fairfield Iowa.
Cleland

[cthorpeky]

Cleland, Are you back in Corbin where you have your notes?

Bill,
I am back in Ky. My computer crashed so I lost a lot of e-mails. If you were needing something from me, re-post the request and I will try and get it for you.
Cleland:D

[beeleaf]

In Bedford County, VA:

FEATHER, FEATHERS


Jul. 27, 1807; Peter Horn & Sally Feather; Philip Feather, Surety.
May 20, 1808; George Horn & Betsy Feather; Philip Feather, Surety.
Nov. 7, 1818; Wigton Richardson & Eve Feather, dt Henry P.; John Feather, Surety; Married by Joseph Payne.
Jul. 21, 1828; Samuel Ronk & Nancy Feather, dt Henry P.; John Feather, Surety.
Dec. 2, 1831; Joseph Feather & Rutha Asbury, dt Nancy; John Horn, Surety; Married by Stephen Wood, Dec. 4, 1831.
Mar. 25, 1832; John Feather & Polly Ridgeway, dt Joseph, Sr.; Joseph Ridgeway, Jr., Surety; Married by Stephen Wood, March 29, 1832.
Apr. 28, 1834; Joseph Feather & Julian Neighbors, dt Fleming; Cornelius Horn, Surety; Married by Stephen Wood, June 3, 1834.
Oct. 23, 1837; Clinton Richardson & Nancy Feather; William Barton, Surety; Married by Benjamin Meador.
Oct. 29, 1846; Richard B. Feathers & Mary Ann Wright, dt Elizabeth; Anthony P. Wright, Surety.
Nov. 11, 1850; Wiley Harris & Sarah Feather, dt Peter; Clinton Richardson, Surety; Married by Benjamin Meador.
Feb.___ 12, 1851; H. R. Feather & Ann E. Adams; Married by J. P. Grogan.
Dec. 30, 1852; Thos. Dooley & Mary N. Feather; Married by T. C. Goggin.
Dec. 30, 1852; Adam P. Feather & Mary C. Gilpin; Married by T. C. Goggin.

[horse and hound]

I also have the Nichols and Gibson ancestors. Clarinda Gipson was my GGgrandmother. I also have Polly Nichols.My Grandmother and Grandfather Cornwell , were cousins. so the Gibson and Nichols lines run strong. This part of the Nichols family live around Wilmington, Ohio

[vailette]

My Francis & Massa Smith were in Clinton Co. Ohio in 1820-40 range, before heading to Indiana. Another poster here suggests they were Saponi but I'm stumped as to how to find more facts on that possibility and the poster is apparently no longer using this board. I've got land records, land entry case files, censuses, etc. but nothing there. I'll be in Wilmington again in October and don't want to miss anything this time. Any suggestions ? Thanks.

[Tom]

Hey Vailette, there's a search button at the top right of the page, when you click on that it says "advanced search", then it will take you to a page that has a couple of windows to fill in, that may help you find more of what it is you are looking for. Try that and if that does not answer your questions , please post again.
I hope that this helps.

[Steve-o]

Wilmington was formed in 1810 from parts of Highland and Warren Counties. If they came here in 1820 or after, then you might find records at the historical society, which is located in dowtown Wilmington just a few blocks away from my residence. The public library which is viewable from my house, has a newspaper archive on microfilm that might be of assistance as well.

"Around Wilmington" could mean a whole slew of places here. Sabina, Sligo, New Antioch, Martinsville, Middleton Corner, etc., all are within close proximity from about 5 to 20 minutes outside of the city. There are graveyards scattered all over, some that sit near farmed fields with a few headstones, to larger sized ones still in use. But if there is a record, these two places mentioned would most likely have something on the family.

One site you might consider is...

http://www.nicholsgenealogy.net/nichols/index.htm

Which includes...

Nichols Family of Arkansas, Mississippi, Georgia ,North Carolina, Pennsylvania. Related Families: Albright, Anderson, Austin, Black, Brooks, Bruce, Campbell, Cook, Davenport, Finlayson, Garrett, Gladney, Graves, Hankins, Hawthorne, Hildreth, Henderson, Ingram, Johnson, Kerr, Keller, Lea, McCreight, Noe, Oliver, Prewitt, Rice, Rollins, Rich, Sharp, Smith, Sharp, Sinclair, Threadgill, Tolbert, Trefoe, Thomas, Wilson, Williams, Wright, Wyatt

Which is one I will have to go through because of the surnames that might be associated with my family, a few surnames are Shawnee related, if the ones on this site are connected to mine. Noe and Bruce, from VA/WVA/Kentucky and Scotland respectively, are in my direct lineage and could very well be related with the states mentioned.

So if Shawnee do show up in these families, it is possible that Saponi may as well somewhere in the Nichols line.

[bparris]

aminkey

hi i too have richard and elizabeth parsons on my family tree i am a descendant through their daughter mary and her husband jonathan phillips. I found on the net that elizabeth could be the daughter of cherokee chief big feathers who marched on the trail of tears. Have you found anything about this elizabeth having a sister named ellenor nellie feathers/ clarkston? the reason i ask is that on the other side of my mothers family i am a descendant of nellie feathers and theres a big debate on the internet wether her father is chief big feathers or the john feathers. theres really no proof of her father being big feathers. i was if you had heard anything like that

[K_Pawel]

Welcome Aminky. I just wanted to drop a quick note that the Gibson name is very important in Saponi ancestry, being one of just a half dozen that is documented to a tribal Saponi family. So . . . if you can trace that one back it may lead somewhere special.

Can the line of Thomas GIBSON - the father of Gibson ("Gibby"), Hubbard, and Thomas GIBSON through Elizabeth CHEEVERS - be traced back to the Saponi ? I've chased the male-ancestry from Jamestown in 1608 to Hanover County to Chippoake Creek in the 1640s (I think 1649).

[Kamama]

Beeleaf,
I have some good friends in church and his last name is Feathers. He is Indian, you can tell. He is southern and said that he was Cherokee frm what he knew.


In Bedford County, VA:

FEATHER, FEATHERS


Jul. 27, 1807; Peter Horn & Sally Feather; Philip Feather, Surety.
May 20, 1808; George Horn & Betsy Feather; Philip Feather, Surety.
Nov. 7, 1818; Wigton Richardson & Eve Feather, dt Henry P.; John Feather, Surety; Married by Joseph Payne.
Jul. 21, 1828; Samuel Ronk & Nancy Feather, dt Henry P.; John Feather, Surety.
Dec. 2, 1831; Joseph Feather & Rutha Asbury, dt Nancy; John Horn, Surety; Married by Stephen Wood, Dec. 4, 1831.
Mar. 25, 1832; John Feather & Polly Ridgeway, dt Joseph, Sr.; Joseph Ridgeway, Jr., Surety; Married by Stephen Wood, March 29, 1832.
Apr. 28, 1834; Joseph Feather & Julian Neighbors, dt Fleming; Cornelius Horn, Surety; Married by Stephen Wood, June 3, 1834.
Oct. 23, 1837; Clinton Richardson & Nancy Feather; William Barton, Surety; Married by Benjamin Meador.
Oct. 29, 1846; Richard B. Feathers & Mary Ann Wright, dt Elizabeth; Anthony P. Wright, Surety.
Nov. 11, 1850; Wiley Harris & Sarah Feather, dt Peter; Clinton Richardson, Surety; Married by Benjamin Meador.
Feb.___ 12, 1851; H. R. Feather & Ann E. Adams; Married by J. P. Grogan.
Dec. 30, 1852; Thos. Dooley & Mary N. Feather; Married by T. C. Goggin.
Dec. 30, 1852; Adam P. Feather & Mary C. Gilpin; Married by T. C. Goggin.