Hugh, Van Meter, Fuller, Brown, Smith

[indianmadien72]

hi im indianmadien72 . my famlies came from va,tnn,nc.sc.kent.indiana,illnois, i was told by my mom and dad that i have cheerokee, blackfoot, crow . my blood lines are mozely. hugh, pugh, pygott ,van meter, sanders, weger, fuller, brown, smith, burkhead or burkehead. please give me insight on where the black foot come in at please. my grt. grt. grandmother is nancy jane fuller. her dad is william fuller they lived in jasper county .illnois. william vanmeter is my grt,grt,grt,grandfather. and o.h. brown is my grt. grt.grandfather . his wife sarah jane vanmeter is my grt.grt. grandmother . they came from indiana . my grt.grt. grandfather john lester thomas smith is married to edan marie brown. he came from kentucky . the pughs samuel pugh is my grt.grt.grandfather and he married nancy fuller. the pygott is grt,grt,grandfather george . bertha weger is my great great grandmother. my grand father john marion pugh and reta pygott is my grand mother . please help me find out where all the indian is in me . my childern would like to know . i have dirty blonde hair brown eyes ihave high cheek bones and i have dark pigmentation so does my childern one has copper tone red hair and the other has dark blonde almost light brown and both have darl complexation with high cheek bones like thhe indians too.

[techteach]

Indianmaiden,
We may not be able to answer your question, but if you do a search of this web site, you will find information on the Van Meters. I can tell you that they intersect with my family at a few points.
One of the questions you need to find out is which line the Van Meter comes from. There was a John Van Meter who was a captive who was given land in northern Ohio as part of the reservation area of the Senecas of the Sandusky. He married the sister of Joseph Brandt.
Anyway, do a search and you will find some Van Meter information. They lived near my Greens and Butts in WV. My Greens and Butts lines are mixed.

Techteach

[Linda]

I just moved this to its own thread so it will be easier to find in the future and more likely to be noticed.

[indianmadien72]

my grt grt grt grandfather is william van meter his tribe was from ok. my grtgrt.grandmother left ok. with my grt.grt.grandfather o.h.brown in 1900.to illnois.my grt grt grandma was a cheerekee princess . thank u for giving me some where to look.

[collins]

More than likely if you have Van Meter relatives like I do your people went to the Northeastern corner of what was then all the Cherokee Nation (West).
The Seneca-Cayuga Tribe is still there.
I am a Van Meter relative through my Clines and Tices.
This is a letter that I recently sent off to the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe:


Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma
c/o April Henderson, Director
R2301 East Steve Owens Blvd.
P.O. Box 1283
Miami, Oklahoma 74355

Hello, I am seeking historical information as well as genealogical information on John Van Meter and his family. I am related to them via the Van Meter's and the Cline family.

George Cline and Susannah Buck married 08 Jun 1770, Ulster Co., NY.
George Cline's brother Jacob married ELEANOR VAN METER daughter of JACOB VAN METER and LETITIA STRODE.

http://www.vanmetre.com/Papers/van_meter_pioneers_in_america.htm

"And so it was that Margaret Van Meter, age 8, was with her parents and Daniel Boone’s party of 23 men during the siege of Boonesborough in 1777. We do not know her father’s name, but he also fought at the Battle of King’s Mountain in South Carolina in 1780.

So it was also that John Van Meter’s cabin was raided by the Indians near Short Creek, Ohio County, Va. in 1783 while he was away. His wife Rebecca and two small sons were murdered in their cabin which was burned. Their beautiful 15 year old daughter Hannah was washing at a nearby spring where she was axed. This spot is still known as Hannah’s Spring. Son John was captured, but other sons Abraham and Isaac escaped. The captive John grew up with the Indians and married a Seneca girl related to the famous Joseph Brant, Mohawk leader who in 1787 completed translation of portions of the Bible into the Mohawk language. On April 29, 1817 a treaty was signed between the United States and the Indian tribes of Ohio which ceded all of the Indian lands within the limits of Ohio to the United States, forever. A reservation in the treaty was made to John Van Meter, his Seneca wife and her three brothers of 1000 acres near Tiffin, Ohio where they lived. John died on this “Van Meter Reserve” leaving it to his only son John who sold it in 1828 to move west of the Mississippi with the remnants of his tribe. John and his wife once stayed several days with our Isaac Van Meter in Putnam County. They were second cousins."

They are distant relations for sure. Our people are not seeking enrollment, however we would like to find out more about what became of our Seneca cousins in Oklahoma and if they are doing well. Also the Saponi Descendants Association is a family research organization and we are trying to track down our relationship to the Seneca and Cayuga people. Some of our people stayed with the Seneca and Cayuga off and on. Eventually some of our people went to the 6 Nations up north, but some of us went other directions. Saponi Descendants Association is seeking to track these migrations to find some of our lost relatives. Thank you for your time.

Saponi Descendants Association
c/o Scott Preston Collins
1335 Tennis Dr. Unit B
Bedford, TX 76022


On the Cherokee Princess thing, there were many chiefs or family headmen that were often called chief. The daughters of such men, however, were never princesses in the sense of the word. I think the Indian princess thing got started as a way to degrade Indian relatives or simply out of ignorance about the position of the children of headmen of a family. To be sure those children probably did go on to be leaders or at least highly influencial people among their tribes, but princess implies a sense of a counterpart of European royalty. Such was generally not the case with but a few acceptions.

[elkriver]

More than likely if you have Van Meter relatives like I do your people went to the Northeastern corner of what was then all the Cherokee Nation (West).
The Seneca-Cayuga Tribe is still there.
I am a Van Meter relative through my Clines and Tices.
This is a letter that I recently sent off to the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe:


Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma
c/o April Henderson, Director
R2301 East Steve Owens Blvd.
P.O. Box 1283
Miami, Oklahoma 74355

Hello, I am seeking historical information as well as genealogical information on John Van Meter and his family. I am related to them via the Van Meter's and the Cline family.

George Cline and Susannah Buck married 08 Jun 1770, Ulster Co., NY.
George Cline's brother Jacob married ELEANOR VAN METER daughter of JACOB VAN METER and LETITIA STRODE.

http://www.vanmetre.com/Papers/van_meter_pioneers_in_america.htm

"And so it was that Margaret Van Meter, age 8, was with her parents and Daniel Boone’s party of 23 men during the siege of Boonesborough in 1777. We do not know her father’s name, but he also fought at the Battle of King’s Mountain in South Carolina in 1780.

So it was also that John Van Meter’s cabin was raided by the Indians near Short Creek, Ohio County, Va. in 1783 while he was away. His wife Rebecca and two small sons were murdered in their cabin which was burned. Their beautiful 15 year old daughter Hannah was washing at a nearby spring where she was axed. This spot is still known as Hannah’s Spring. Son John was captured, but other sons Abraham and Isaac escaped. The captive John grew up with the Indians and married a Seneca girl related to the famous Joseph Brant, Mohawk leader who in 1787 completed translation of portions of the Bible into the Mohawk language. On April 29, 1817 a treaty was signed between the United States and the Indian tribes of Ohio which ceded all of the Indian lands within the limits of Ohio to the United States, forever. A reservation in the treaty was made to John Van Meter, his Seneca wife and her three brothers of 1000 acres near Tiffin, Ohio where they lived. John died on this “Van Meter Reserve” leaving it to his only son John who sold it in 1828 to move west of the Mississippi with the remnants of his tribe. John and his wife once stayed several days with our Isaac Van Meter in Putnam County. They were second cousins."

They are distant relations for sure. Our people are not seeking enrollment, however we would like to find out more about what became of our Seneca cousins in Oklahoma and if they are doing well. Also the Saponi Descendants Association is a family research organization and we are trying to track down our relationship to the Seneca and Cayuga people. Some of our people stayed with the Seneca and Cayuga off and on. Eventually some of our people went to the 6 Nations up north, but some of us went other directions. Saponi Descendants Association is seeking to track these migrations to find some of our lost relatives. Thank you for your time.

Saponi Descendants Association
c/o Scott Preston Collins
1335 Tennis Dr. Unit B
Bedford, TX 76022


On the Cherokee Princess thing, there were many chiefs or family headmen that were often called chief. The daughters of such men, however, were never princesses in the sense of the word. I think the Indian princess thing got started as a way to degrade Indian relatives or simply out of ignorance about the position of the children of headmen of a family. To be sure those children probably did go on to be leaders or at least highly influencial people among their tribes, but princess implies a sense of a counterpart of European royalty. Such was generally not the case with but a few acceptions.

About the Cherokee Princess thing, if I had a penny for every time I heard that...I would be rich! Its seems those Cherokees must have really gotten around as they seem to be decendents who supposedly jumped off the trail all over the place. Today there is a such thing as Tribal and pow-wow princesses but it is a new age thing and is soley for the purpose of promoting and representing a particular organization or pow-wow committee. There is no such thing as a "Cherokee Princess" in the means of the European contexts, it simply did not ever exist. So if you think or if your told you are decendended from a "Cherokee Princess" it is likely not so. Why is it most want to claim Cherokee?????

ANYHOW!!!,,,About "Van Meters".....I am curious if you got a response from that letter you sent to my Tribe? I think maybe you should check with the Wyandotte Nation of Oklahoma because I found this:


WYANDOT TRIBAL ROLL 1867

Transcribed from U.S. microfilm M234, RG75, Roll 951, frames 0208-0249, with a Statistical Appendix, by Charles Garrad

Office Sup’t Indian Affairs
Lawrence, Kansas, August 22d 1870
Com(?) E. J. Parker
Commissioner,
Sir;

Referring to a communication from this office, dated 14th, June last, reporting upon the Wyandotte tribe of Indians, and inclosing certain papers in the matter, I have the honor to transmit herewith, a Roll of all the members of said tribe, in Kansas, and elsewhere; showing respectively the age, sex, circumstances and place of residence, and intended to form a part of Report above referred to.

Very Respectfully,
Your Obedient Servt.
A.C. Fanshaw (?),
City Clerk.
LIST OF THE WYANDOTTE TRIBE OF INDIANS
“A register of the wholl people resident in Kansas and Elsewhere” 13th Treaty 1867
Name/Age in 1855/Male, Female/Circumstances/Residence (comment)


VANMEETER, Sarah/20/female/Destitute/Indian country
Widow of Thomas Vanmeeter, who never made choice to become a citizen, opposed to the treaty of 1855, Sarah speaks no english, has lived in the indian country since 1857

VANMEETER, Hannah/2/female/destitute/Indian country
Daughter of Sarah Vanmeeter

VANMEETER, Catharine/-/female/destitute/Indian country
Daughter of Sarah Vanmeeter



This is just 3 of MANY names listed. You might check it out, the website is:

http://www.wyandotte-nation.org/history/historic_rolls/1867_tribal_roll.html

[Linda]

I feel bad for all the teasing people get about their stories of Cherokee princess ancestors. I suspect 99% of the time, the story is speaking for someone Indian in the family, probably in the 19th century, when the word 'cherokee' was being used generically to indicate any peaceful, 'civilized' Indian. The princess part was a defense against the derogatory attitude towards Indians. There's an American tradition of that going all the way back to Pocohontas, whose descendants were well-heeled Virginia aristocrats who were in a class of their own relative to the rest of the mixed-bloods in the country, so the tradition started of other mixed-bloods trying to create the same impression of their origins.

I've heard these family stories ridiculed so often, but I think these people really did have an Indian ancestress, the poor lady's just been misidentified. Hopefully, doing some genealogy and history homework will help reveal a little of who she really was.

This isn't about the contemporary person wanting to claim Cherokee, it's about harrased mixed-bloods a century or so ago trying to maintain their dignity with an ID that was a bit more accepted, or it's the result of a culture a century or so ago so ignorant and indifferent that it just labelled anybody with that word and let it go at that. The contemporary person is just reporting what is at this point, an old family tradition.

[collins]

The Seneca-Cayuga Tribe never responded. It is interesting information that I need to check out in regards to these Vanmeters on this Wyandot roll. Some of my Clines, Tice, Morris and Van Meter links came to Kansas about the mid 1800's. That would have been in the Wilson and Elk County areas of Kansas and Shawnee Township area as well. These families came from places like Iroqois County, Illinoise and Washington County, Ohio. I even have one Great Grandmother that ended up in New Underwood, South Dakota.

The John Van Meter that recieved a reservation of land in Ohio; his son also John Van Meter moved off out west in 1828 according to these Van Meter papers "with the remnants of his tribe". Thanks for the info.

[elkriver]

The Seneca-Cayuga Tribe never responded. It is interesting information that I need to check out in regards to these Vanmeters on this Wyandot roll. Some of my Clines, Tice, Morris and Van Meter links came to Kansas about the mid 1800's. That would have been in the Wilson and Elk County areas of Kansas and Shawnee Township area as well. These families came from places like Iroqois County, Illinoise and Washington County, Ohio. I even have one Great Grandmother that ended up in New Underwood, South Dakota.

The John Van Meter that recieved a reservation of land in Ohio; his son also John Van Meter moved off out west in 1828 according to these Van Meter papers "with the remnants of his tribe". Thanks for the info.

It doesn't suprise me that they did not respond. Truth is the lady you sent the letter too does in fact work on our Tribal enrollment but she is not a member of our Tribe (Many of us wonder why we have a non-tribal member handling our Tribal records, it is beyond us) and she does not know much about our people. Not to mention we really don't have any specific individual that works on historical matters, I don't know why but we deffinatly should. The one and only person that would have taken the time to helped you, and would have been able to tell you rather the person you are looking for was more then likely either Seneca or Wyandotte (Linda knows who I am talking about) no longer works at the Tribal office due to Tribal politics and the extreme Tribal turmoil we are going through at the present time ( I won't get into that one). But however the Wyandotte Tribe does and I believe there is a toll free number listed on there website as well as and extension for the Tribal historian. I would try that if I where you. But keed this in mind, there is much confusion espicially with the Wyandottes because of our close ties with them. Many of the names on the roll can also be found on our roll. I have heard of stories of certain families within our Tribe who are in fact Wyandotte, how and why they are now on our roll is a mystery. Many seem to think it is because many Wyandottes felt closer to us because we still practiced out long house ways and therefore they stayed among us in our villages here upon our early arrivals here...and was simply mistaken as either Seneca or Cayuga by Indian Agents who kept the census records for the Quapaw Agency (Indain Agency for the local Tribes of North Eastern Oklahoma). So what I am saying is don't rule out that this person is not "Seneca" just yet, they very well in fact could be.

[collins]

Thank you very much Elkriver. It appears that your find on the Wyandot has turned out to be the correct lead after all. John Van Meter is listed on the following muster:

Muster Roll of Wyandot Indians Who Departed Upper Sandusky, Ohio

http://www.wyandot.org/muster.htm

Also reading a little more about the Wyandot, they are the Huron.
This area of the Sandusky and Tifin, Ohio seemed to be a key area that some of my relatives resided in during that period. It also is fascinating that many of them left Ohio for the same Kansas area. It fits as well since my family has stories about Shawnee Township/Shawnee Mission and some distant stories of dealings with the Quawpa. I am greatful for having the lead you showed me.