geneology inquiry

[-cr21-]

My family names are Collins,Boyd,Meade,Gist,Murray and others. I have traced my family back to Virginia and West Virginia in the 1700's then to Ohio in the mid-late 1700's toearly 1800's then to the midwest to an unknown location on birth records. My Meade, Collins, and Boyd family were in Iowa my the mid 1800's. They are of obvious Native blood. I have talked to the Amonsoquath and Saponis. I have pics to help if necessary. I was told by Chief WalkingBear of the Amonsoquaths I belong there but another told me to check the Saponis of Missouri. I have met many others here in Iowa who claim a "Blackfoot" bood here in Iowa. Any help is GREATLY appreciated.Anyone have any idea where I come from? Mingo, Amonsoquath, Saponi???? Sorry for all the edits, Im just anxious to find my place in this world and where I come from.

Thank you,
Chad

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[nicosaponi]

Chad,
Welcome to Saponi Town.The names Collins,Gist and Boyd are common Piedmont
Virginia Saponi surnames.The migration patterns match as well.Do you know the name
of the counties they came from in virginia?

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[Linda]

Welcome Chad, glad to have you. My husband will be happy to talk to you, he has Boyd's also, who remained in Mecklenburg Co., VA. (Boydton, to be exact, fancy that). You've probably heard that Collins is a core Saponi name. The other's I'd have to look up. The migration path you describe is classic. Where in Iowa were/are you all? My family is tied in with a settlement right on the Iowa/Wisconsin border, Vernon County. There's some very good documentation on some of the people who settled there, and ironically, they're from Mecklenburg County, VA, too.

I don't want to be bringing up scandal, but there has been some associated with the Amonsoquath, so I would be wary and check into it before you jump in. It's impossible to evaluate these things online, but people need to know to be cautious.

I know some Missourri Saponi well and think very highly of them. Truth be told, there *may* be one or two lurking around here.

Check out the "Other Blackfoot" thread, there's a gentleman there whose family passed through Iowa I believe. They're all in Alberta, Canada now.

I'd be very interested in a Blackfoot community in Iowa, as that's the identification that was in my family. Welcome home, I think you'll find you're among people with the same roots as you.

Where in WV was your family? And where in Ohio? That sounds very early for people in Ohio. I'd love to see a gedcom if you have it, and if you'd like to publish photos here, send them to me and I'll upload them to the site.

linda@winwinworld.net

BTW, you can delete the "Edited by" line each time you re-edit so people can't tell how many times you went back.

[nicosaponi]

Linda,
I enjoyed our am chat the other night.
I looked through the book I was telling you
about and found the name Powell on the surname list of the following tribes;Cherokee,Chickasaw,Choctaw,Seminole
and also common among the biracial and triracial groups such as the Jackson Whites
and Brass Ankels.What was the other name you
mentioned?

In Blood
Nicole

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[Brenda Collins Dillon]

cr21, I also am from the COLLINS line. One of the sons of Meredith went first to Missouri and then on to Iowa. His name was Bradley Collins. He first married Jean RAY in Orange Co. NC 1817. He then moved to Russell Co. Va where he met up with his father. He stayed in Russell Co. for a short time after Meredith moved his family onto a land grant in Floyd Co. KY. It is thought that Meredith obtained this grant of 25 acres for his REVWAR service.Bradley lived in Clay Co. Ky where he married three more times. He was involved as a witness to a murder along with several Collins cousins and left for Missouri in the middle of the night. Once in Missouri they doubled back and ended up in Iowa. One of Bradley's sons married Betsy SIZEMORE. Does any of this ring any bells?

Brenda

[Linda]

Hey Nico, I hadn't put your nick together with your name. Yes, that was a great chat. I can't think what that other name was at the moment. Thanks for looking.

Brenda, your Collins never cease to amaze me. Somebody could start out doing an historical documentary on them and it would turn into an action/adventure movie all on its own. Tell me, did Bradley take all four of his wives with him to Missouri? hahahaha. Must have been a charming guy.

[redfox]

brenda you talking about the murder in kentucky with pleasant johnson (clay co ky)?Or the one in missouri? I also have collin/johnson lines that were in kentucky,missouri. I'll check with a collins cousin in oregon on sizemores.

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[Brenda Collins Dillon]

yep..those COLLINS were a mischievious bunch to say the least. I could probably write a good sized book on them.

Bradley married the second wife (Jean Ray) in NC but she wasn't with him in any records in Russell Co.Va. He married three times in Clay Co. KY and I don't believe he had any children with any of the last three. His son Andrew Collins left Kentucky the same time traveling with his father and stepfather down river by flattboat to Carroll Co. Missouri. Andrew was the son married to Betsy Sizemore. Andrew is said to returned to Missouri after the death of his father but I have found no proof of this.
BRADLEY2 COLLINS (MERIDITH1) was born 1786 in NC, and died Aft. 1844 in Appanoose Co. ,IA. He married (1) JANE RAY 1817 in Orange Co. NC. He married (2) CATHERINE BARNEY July 28, 1831 in Clay Co. Ky. He married (3) BETSY GRIFFIN February 16, 1833 in Clay Co. Ky. He married (4) ELIZABETH LUNSFORD September 05, 1836 in Clay Co. KY.

About 1826[?], he (Bradley) moved to Clay Co., KY. While in Clay Co.,
Andrew married Betsy Ann Sizemore, Mar.. 31, 1838. He sold his land in
1839, and shortly afterwards, he and his family, Andrew and his wife and
son, Lewis, traveled by flat boat down the Kentucky and Ohio Rivers to
Missouri. They were in Carroll Co., MO, in 1840, but later settled
near Keytesville, Chariton Co., MO. It was here that Bradley received a
land grant in May of 1841. Bradley and Andrew raised and sold crops of
corn, cotton, and tobacco.

About 1844, Bradley and Andrew sold their land in Missouri, and moved to
Centerville, Appanoose Co., Iowa, on the Chariton River. They farmed in
addition to running a ferry across the Chariton River. Andrew (1811-ca.
1873) was living in 1850 in Appanoose Co., Iowa Census, with his family,
Betsy Ann (wife). Lewis, Samson, Archibald, and Polly Ann, and his
father Bradley, age 63, born in North Carolina.

Bradley died in either Appanoose Co., Iowa, or Hancock Co., Illinois.
About 1856, Andrew moved to Warsaw, Hancock Co., IL, where Polly Ann,
his daughter, attended her first year in school. About 1859, Andrew
moved to Marion Co., MO. The 1860 Census shows the following additional
family members: Eliza, age 9, and Eli, age 5. They were both born in
Iowa. Andrew and Betsy's sons, Samson, Lewis, and Archibald were
veterans of the Civil War.

Children of BRADLEY COLLINS and JANE RAY are:
9. i. ANDREW3 COLLINS, b. 1811, Russell Co. Virginia.
ii. JOHN COLLINS.
iii. HIRAM COLLINS.


In the Archives in Frankfort Ky, Clay County film 984492
tells that the 1832 term of court several men are accused in
the death of a certain Robert Wickliff. Abraham and Hiram
are among them. Also Wm. Morris, Jr., David McCullum, and
BRADLEY COLLINS.

{Abraham & Hiram Collins are from the David Collins 1750 line and Bradley Collins son of Meredith which connects these two lines....
They are listed as Collins cousins. Now...if they were cousins and David was the son of John Collins of Bertie Co. then Meredith had to be related somehow. It would be a great Christmas gift to crack this brickwall.}

Brenda




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[Kansas]

I was just surfing and I notice there was a fellow surffer who's family was a Meade.My gr. grandmother was Harriet Meade,Born in Gates City,Va. about 1856,she married Joseph Edwards in 1874 and they had a daughter Mollie Jane who was born in Gates City,Va. in 1877.
My aunt ask my grandmother once if she had any indian in her,grandmother said that she had Blackfoot indian in her family.
My dad said "that grandmother remenber when she was young,there would be family members with full head-dress (with feathers),sitting at the table".My grandmother was a school teacher in Kansas when she met my grandfather Atherton.
By the way my gr.grandmother and gr. grandfather are buried in Cherryvale,Kansas.My grandmother and grandfather are buried in Independence,Kansas.
If anyone of the Meade or Edwards family from Va./Nc. area you can drop me line anytime.

[Linda]

I just looked up Gate City, VA. It's on the extreme western tip of Virginia, on the border with NC and KY. TN is even close, up in the mountains.

Was it your grandmother in Kansas, or you great grandmother in VA who remembered the headdress?

[-cr21-]

I know that in Virginia my family were more in the North towards Maryland. Then to whats is now Brook Co. West Virginia, then to I believe Sandusky area of Ohio, then they all disappear about 1830 then reappear in Marion and Jasper Co.'s in Iowa in about 1840.I will have to talk to my brother about scanning the pics of my family so I can show them.Brenda,I think Ive heard those names before.I will get my family tree from my uncle soon and let you know what I find. Thanks again,Chad

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[Kansas]

My father said " my grandmother",not my gr. grandmother,they both are buried in Kansas.
My father was dark when he was young,with blue eyes.

[Kansas]

My father said " my grandmother",not my gr. grandmother,they both are buried in Kansas.
My father was dark when he was young,with blue eyes.

[vance hawkins]

I too have Guess(t) -- seen the name spelled Giss, Gess, Guest, Guess, Gist, Gest, and maybe others -- ancestors (g-g-grandma was Hariet Guess(t))that we have been told are related to Sequoyah, was told he was Hariet's uncle.

But I also heard of some Guess(t) folks living in Delaware District of the Cherokee Nation here in Oklahoma who are not related to Sequoyah, but are of "Delaware" descent. Now I only heard this from one source and have learned to be "wary" of some online sources. But any Delaware would have travelled the same emigration routes as the Saponi most likely.

Please let me know about your Guess ancestors. Feel free to write me personally at cwyhawkins@yahoo.com -- I have a some info on them, some of it from CNO, but not all.

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I have to say I too have heard the scandals of the Amonsoquath from very reliable sources . . .

They are serious allegations . . .

vance hawkins

[barryc]

HI Chad:

I was born and raised in Boydton VA, Mecklenburg Co. My GGgrandfather was Abram Boyd of Boydton. I'd like to learn more about your Boyd's and any Indian connection.

Barry

[fyost]

I have an Edwards line from Carroll County Virginia that I was told is blackfoot or Cherokee Indian. My great grandmother was Rebecca Edwards born in 1868.

[knoxwanda]

Hi Linda,
Do you have anything on (Old Freeling Collins) who had a son by the name of (Freeing H. Collins) M. Fances Octavia (Lusk) Collins,:confused: anything down from Freeling, and were they Indian or belong to any tribe?
Thank You,Wanda