Blackfoot Ancestor(s)

[Charles Orear]

Greetings,
I am new to this forum. My name is Charles Orear, and I live in Misouri. I was recently told by a gr-uncle of mine that we were Blackfoot and Cherokee. His sister my grandma always told me we were Cherokee.
My grandma's niece also told me about the Blackfoot connection, and stated she heard it directly from from her grandpa. My ancestors lived in eastern KY.(Lawrence CO.)
and most of thier forebears came from Rowan/Surry/Wilkes Co. area of NC. circa 1820-1830. This is the earliest reference point for most of these with a couple of exceptions coming down from Culpepper CO VA in 1778-1780.
The surnames of intrest are, Hammon(d), Hargis (these two are supposed to be from Goochland CO VA), Collier, Cook,and Burton.
There are two other surnames from unknown parts of VA, Stallard, and Gillum. I have great photos of some of my Blackfoot/Cherokee ancestors that I'd like to share if someone can tell me how to attach them. If anyone is researching these surnamesor has info please share either through this forum or e-mail me at ketagustah@hotmail.com.
Thank You
Charles
P.S.
Barry I have a Cherokee(?) ancestor from Scott CO. VA whose paternial grandmother was one Anne Carter married to David Sloas. Anne was a midwife and these people migrated to what is now Elliot CO KY circa 1850. Any connection to your Carters? I believe her to be related to the Carters of Carter's Fort and Indian Trader John Carter from this area who attended the treaty of Sycamore Shoals.

[barryc]

Hi Charles:

Welcome!! Anne Carter does ring a bell but I have a lot of research to do. As we develop our reaseach and bring more Blackfoot/Saponi people together I think we will see where different pieces fit.

We plan on getting our family trees on a single on-line program so we can see where the pieces all fit together.

Barry

[Linda]

Welcome Charles. Glad to have you onboard. All of the Blackfoot locations your mentioning fall in line with what we've heard from others. Kentucky seems to be a common migration path. We've got a pow wow this weekend, so more later when we get back.

[rbnsnst1]

Hello everyone,
I'm glad I found you guys, hope some one out there can help me.
My grandmother I'm TOLD was 1/2 "Blackfoot " Indian this is not an issue with me at all I am rather proud to be a part of the NATIVE Americans but..... I have yet be able to find the connection, other than hearsay, and heres what they say!!
My grandmother Rebecca Turner was 1/2 Blackfoot she md Hammond O. Richards Of WV yeah! WV he was born in 1876. I have been all over the websites trying to find anything on my grandparents an nothing. I have hit the BRICKWALL as they say. Unfortunitly I have little or no relatives still living to assit me. I do know I have hear the story all my life, if anyone can help PLEASE contact me or leave a message hear. Thanks ahead of time!!!! Robin

[Linda]

So the only data you have on those two was that he was from WV? The Turner name is on the list I have of SE Indian surnames as either Nottoway, Saponi or Meherrin. Richards isn't there, but Richardson is a very prominent Saponi name. Personally, knowing she was reported to be half Blackfoot and connected with WV, I'd be satisfied you'd found the source of her heritage -- the Eastern Siouan of the North Carolina, Virginia Piedmont.

[Linda]

Charles, I forgot to get back to you. So sorry. You have such good info. I have some people in a side branch, myself, I'm sure were Saponi, who came from Culpepper County. What surnames did you have there?

As for the names you listed, Hammond and Cook are on the SE Indian surname list I have. Hammond is frequently Saponi, Cook is frequently Pamunkey.

Are you aware of the Missouri Saponi tribe? I can get you the link if you need it.

As for your photos, send them to me as an attachment and I'll add them to your post. linda@winwinworld.net

[Charles Orear]

I have discovered that there are more possible Blackfoot links in my Family.I am hoping to find others in this forum who may be related to the Burton and Cook families.I believe I may be descended from the Rev War Vet Catawba Tom Cook who moved to VA.Also looking for descendents fo the NC Prince family who later moved to Lawrence County KY.Family legend in the Prince line says they got their name from a "Cherokee" chief named Prince.There were several Cherokees called Prince or Ketagustah in cherokee.I know now that this family came from Surry Co NC and the origin of the name may be Prenchee.This name was used by a Catawba or Cheraw man in the 1700s.I am attaching some photos of my ancestors, and am looking forward to hearing form other members of this forum.
The photos are Henry Creech and Delinda Burton, my gr-gr-gr grandparents.My Grandma told me Delinda was full blooded Native American.{Cherokee}Her brother told me she was Blackfoot.Delinda was born in 1834 in Scott Co VA, and died in Elliot Co KY in 1918.Her death certificate fiiled out by her son in law list her as white.Her mother was Martha Burton daughter of Ameila Cook who was the daughter of a Thomas Cook.
The other photo is of my gr-gr Grandpa John William Prince born in Lawrence Co Ky in 1859.He died circa 1907.He was the son of Thomas Prince and Hanna Terry.I trace the Terry family back to Thomas Terry a trader amoung the Mattaponies 1670-circa 1710.Thomas Terry was in trouble with the VA council in 1707 for "entertaining" a Mattaponi in his home.This family moved to Botetout Co Va around 1740 then on the Floyd/Lawrence Co Ky area circa 1800.As you may know Terry is one of the primary Surnames in the present Monacan tribe.
The other photo is me and my gr-Uncle Zeddie Lyon born 1904 in Elliot Co ky, died 1985, and myself as a youngster in 1976.Zeddie was the grandson of John William Prince and gr-grandson of Delinda Burton.

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

Welcome Charles, My name is Brenda, I am origionally from Nicholas County, WV. There are Hammond families in the area. They are not my line but I have seen the name on many census records.
As for Cook. My James Spencer's second wife was Mary Cook. They married 1833 after the death of his first wife and he was a widower left with 11 children. Mary must have sat quietly at home and delivered 9 more children then fades into the sunset sometime after the 1850 census was taken. Sure wish I could find who she belongs to.
As for Prince, it is my stepfathers line and I remember hearing similar stories about there being NDN blood in this line.

. JOHN L.1 PRINCE was born 1821 in Loudon,Va. Loudon Co., and died 1898 in Braxton Co. WV. He married (1) SUSANNAH POE, daughter of STEPHEN POE and MARY BOYCE. She was born 1845, and died 1923 in Nicholas Co. WVa.. He married (2) ELIZABETH EVERHART. He married (3) MARY MIFLIN.

Child of JOHN PRINCE and SUSANNAH POE is:
i. GEORGE MARL2 PRINCE.


Children of JOHN PRINCE and ELIZABETH EVERHART are:
ii. MARTHA J.2 PRINCE.
iii. WILLIAM N. PRINCE, b. 1847.
iv. ARMSTAT SAMUEL PRINCE, b. 1852.
v. DANIEL H. PRINCE, b. 1852.
vi. JOHN E.F. PRINCE, b. 1854.
vii. ROBERT N. PRINCE, b. 1855.
viii. STEPHEN E. PRINCE, b. 1858.
ix. ELIZABETH PRINCE, b. 1864.


Child of JOHN PRINCE and MARY MIFLIN is:
2. x. MARY CATHERINE2 PRINCE, b. July 13, 1879, Heater's WV. Braxton Co.; d. 1918, Heater's WV. Braxton Co..


Generation No. 2

2. MARY CATHERINE2 PRINCE (JOHN L.1) was born July 13, 1879 in Heater's WV. Braxton Co., and died 1918 in Heater's WV. Braxton Co.. She married MARION SANFORD SHOULDERS in Braxton Co. WV, son of AMOS SHOULDERS and SCYNTHIA ENGLISH. He was born 1875 in Horner, WV. Lewis Co., and died 1925 in Quinwood, Greenbrier Co. WV.
Children of MARY PRINCE and MARION SHOULDERS are:
i. JOSEPH GRANT3 SHOULDERS.
ii. NANCY LUCILLE SHOULDERS.
iii. MARION ROBERT SHOULDERS, b. 1902; d. 1918.

Notes for MARION ROBERT SHOULDERS:
Young Marion is said by family members to have drown.

3. iv. JOHN AMOS SHOULDERS, b. November 17, 1905, Braxton Co. WV; d. April 05, 1979, Richwood,WV,Nicholas Co..
v. GEORGIA ELIZABETH SHOULDERS, b. 1909.
4. vi. INA EMMALINE SHOULDERS, b. 1912, Braxton Co. WVa.; d. 1940, Nicholas Co. WV.
5. vii. ARTHUR T. SHOULDERS, b. October 18, 1918, Heaters WVa.Braxton Co.; d. July 07, 1994, Tacoma,Wash.Pierce Co..
6. viii. BESSIE BELL SHOULDERS, b. 1903, Braxton Co.WV.
7. ix. SCYNTHIA SHOULDERS, b. 1900, Braxton Co. WV; d. 1981, Richwood,WV,Nicholas Co..

[Linda]

Brenda, did you and Charles just contact each other? If not, it's an odd coincidence you should post this just now, since he just contacted me and asked help in uploading these pictures.

Here they are.

http://www.saponitown.com/images/zeddie.jpg


http://www.saponitown.com/images/john%20prince.jpg

http://www.saponitown.com/images/henrydelinda1.jpg

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

Linda, No, I just thought it was odd that while reading his post that I have a file on Prince, Hammond's are found in the same area and I also have a Lyons connection. I would be very interested if he can find a connection to what I posted. My stepfather was Arthur SHOULDERS, his mother was Mary Catherine Prince. Daddy's grandfather was Amos Ritter Shoulders who was a local herb doctor in Lewis County. From what I hear folks came from all over to be treated by him. He was suppose to be one of the best herb doctors in the country. Rumor has it that Amos was half NDN. His mother was ..surname ENGLISH.

[Linda]

Oh, I get it. I read the dates wrong. The posting date is down at the bottom. Charles just posted today and brought this forward. I thought he hadn't posted since May, hahaha, and you just had a psychic moment and up and posted a reply within the same hour I got an email from him asking about the pictures, hahaha. I guess I'm just having another 'stupid day.' :D Just don't ask me what county the Person County Indians are from, hahahahha.

I needed a good laugh.

[Brenda Collins Dillon]

:D :D My daughter would say"I am having a blond day....." She has a lot of them.

[CoheeLady]

To rbnsnst1,
Welcome to the forum! I am from Virginia, as are my ancestors. The Turner surname is one that is in my family.
Coheelady
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To: Charles,
The Burton's of Virginia, are part of my ancestry. I don't really have any other information on them, other than one marriage in my line.
Coheelady

[Charles Orear]

What I know of my line of Burtons in VA is that I descend from a Samuel Burton born abt 1784 son of a Thomas Burton and Nancy ...? .Samuel Burton married Amelia Cook, dau. of Thomas Cook(believed to have been the Catawba Tom Cook, later associated with the Pamunkey).I believe these Burtons started out in Amelia Co Va before moving to Scott Co, then on into Lawrence/Elliot Co Ky around 1840.
Samuel Burton and Amelia Cook were the parents of Martha Burton.Martha was the mother of Delinda Burton (the woman in the photo that Linda posted for me.)Delinda's father was Henry Sloas.Delinda used the name Burton before being married to Henry Creech, and her death certificate list her maidan name as Burton, and her father as Henry Sloas.

[CoheeLady]

Dear Charles,
Thank you for sharing your Burton family information! :) Here is all I have on my Burton-Garrett line.
SUSANAH BURTON: BORN 1695 IN AMELIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA, MARRIED IN 1717. DEATH WAS AFTER 1745. SUSANAH BURTON MARRIED JOHN GARRET. JOHN GARRETT WAS BORN 1690, AMELIA COUNTY, VIRGINIA. HE DIED MAY, 1744, AMELIA COUNTY VIRGINIA.
SUSANAH & JOHN HAD ONE SON, HE WAS NAMED CHARLES GARRETT, BORN 1735, IN AMELIA. HE MARRIED MARY AYERS IN 1755. THEY WERE BLESSED WITH 10 CHILDREN. CHARLES GARRETT DIED IN 1782, BUCKINGHAM COUNTY, VIRGINIA.

PARENTS OF SUSANAH BURTON: ABRAHAM BURTON, BORN 1669, LOCATION IN VIRGINIA. ABRAHAM'S WIFE'S MAIDEN NAME, ANNE FEATHERSTONE, BORN 1674, IN VIRGINIA.

PARENTS OF ABRAHAM BURTON: THOMAS BURTON & SUSANAH ALLEN.
PARENTS OF ANNE FEATHERSTONE: CHARLES FEATHERSTONE & REBECCA STRATTON PATRAM.

Sincerely,
Coheelady :)

[rosebudsaponi]

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