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Tom
01-12-2006, 04:49 PM
This is something to view, www.dinsdoc.com/morrison-1.htm

Coharie Roy
01-13-2006, 01:56 PM
Tom,

Thanks for the link to the William and Mary College Quarterly Historical Magazine article on Virginia's early Indian trade. I found page (?) 233 particularily intriguing. Here's the quote:

"How the story of the Reverend Morgan Jones is to be construed is not clear—how in 1660 he found Indians among the Tuscarora able to speak the old British or Welsh language, and to understand homilies in that language.6 Jones (whom Humboldt in his Cosmos calls Morgan Chapelain), Morgan Jones said that he was chaplain to Sir William Berkeley’s Virginia mission to Port Royal, later Carolina; that he had gone up the country to a Tuscarora town, and being under sentence of death there was rescued by a British speaking man of the tribe. Jones, lamenting his fate in Welsh, was caught up by his deliverer and reassured in Welsh."

Just exactly who were these Welsh and British speaking Tuscarora Indians? They're not described as white men. They're described as Tuscarora Indians. Where did they come from? How did they learn Welsh/English? Were they grandchildren (or great grandchildren) of the "Lost Colonists" of Roanoke Island from 73 years earlier when it was abandoned in 1587? Were they perhaps pirates (or the descendants of pirates), taken in by the Tuscaroras? Were they the surviving relics of an earlier unauthorized/renegade British colony now mixed with the Tuscaroras?

Coharie Roy
01-13-2006, 02:17 PM
Holy Guacamole!!!

Wow!

The link Tom provided regarding the Virginia Indian trade, also provides a path to a link to an online book that I read (in hardback) some years ago. I'm heartened to see it now online. Years ago, I had to send away for it through inter-library loan.

Even though it's very old (first published in 1913) it is without question, the best book on American Indian slavery that I'm aware of. That book is "INDIAN SLAVERY IN COLONIAL TIMES WITHIN THE PRESENT LIMITS OF THE UNITED STATES," by Almond Wheeler Lauber. I strongly recommend it to all.

Here's the link: http://dinsdoc.com/lauber-1-0a.htm

Saponi 1
01-13-2006, 04:03 PM
The Indian Slave Trade: The Rise of the English Empire in the American South, 1670-1717
Gallay, Alan


Published by EH.NET (April 2003)

Alan Gallay, The Indian Slave Trade: The Rise of the English Empire in the American South, 1670-1717. New Haven: Yale University Press, 2002. xviii + 444 pp. $45.00 (hardcover), ISBN: 0-300-08754-3.

Reviewed for EH.NET by Peter C. Mancall, Department of History, University of Southern California.

It comes as no surprise to state that slavery was a crucial part of the economy of the southeastern colonies of British North America. As historians and economists have long recognized, the enslavement of Africans imported from Africa or the West Indies was crucial for the development of plantation agriculture in the region. By 1708 individuals of African descent amounted to approximately one-half of the population of South Carolina, and by 1720 or so their numbers constituted two-thirds of the population. Their presence gave this region a unique demographic profile in the British North American colonies. That story, told brilliantly by the historian Peter Wood in his classic study from 1974 entitled Black Majority, has dominated scholars' understanding of forced labor in this area.

Allan Gallay, a professor of history at Western Washington University, has now complicated this narrative. During the same decades that Carolina became a stable province, its colonists looked to Native Americans to provide labor for them. Often this labor was coerced by nothing more than the lure of the market itself: Native Americans hunted whitetail deer for colonists or offered food to them in exchange for manufactured goods from Europe. But this free labor was not sufficient to satisfy colonists, who needed people to produce crops for export. English colonists recognized that selling captured Indians was doubly beneficial. By exporting captives to other parts of the Atlantic basin as slaves, Carolinians made a profit and removed individuals and groups who might have stood in the way of colonial expansion into the interior.

Gallay's book is more than a history of efforts by British (and other European) colonists to enslave and sell Native Americans and then, eventually, to bring that noxious commerce to its end. In fact, the vast majority of the book has little to do with the Indian slave trade itself. What Gallay offers here is a thorough, up-to-date, readable and engaging history of Carolina -- and much of the old southeast -- from approximately 1670 to 1717. There is much here on diplomacy and debates between colonists, including many details that reveal how difficult it was for Carolina's proprietors to maintain order in the nascent colony. Gallay's real insights about the local slave trade are primarily confined to the penultimate chapter in the book.

Yet the fact that Gallay, as the journalists' phrase has it, has buried his lead should not put off economists and historians who want to understand the colonial southeast. Quite the contrary: Gallay's mastery of the primary and secondary source literature provides readers with abundant information about crucial colonial politicians, traders, and missionaries. He makes readers realize that it is irresponsible to lump all Native peoples together under the heading "Indian." Some of those Native peoples, captured in war and sold into bondage, ended their lives far from their ancestral homes. Others, also Native, were crucial players in this trade, a part of the story that echoes John Thornton's analysis of the participation of some Africans in the Atlantic slave trade (see his Africa and Africans in the Making of the Atlantic World, 1400-1800, second edition, Cambridge University Press, 1998). Gallay provides a series of maps of the entire southeast, a great service to the many readers who will not know the location of particular indigenous nations. He shows where Indian slaves went and extracts valuable clues from the writings of perceptive observers and from legal codes -- some of them the product of northern colonists who came to fear southern Indian slaves and sought to prevent their continued importation. He recognizes the crucial role of conflict, especially the devastations of the Yamasee War that raged from 1714 to 1717. Further, Gallay writes with a sense of urgency that should be welcomed by readers who have grown tired of reading lightly revised dissertations that would have made better articles than full-length books.

Still, the part of the book that will be of most interest to economic historians will be the chapter in which Gallay provides some estimates for the number of Native American slaves. Gallay claims that "the drive to control Indian labor -- which extended to every nook and cranny of the South -- was inextricably connected to the growth of the plantations and that the trade in Indian slaves was at the center of the English empire's development in the American South. The trade in Indian slaves was the most important factor affecting the South in the period 1670 to 1715: its impact was felt from Arkansas to the Carolinas and south to the Florida Keys" (p. 7). He adds that the "Indian slave trade provided the strongest link between the South's many peoples in the late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries" (p. 9). These are bold claims that can only be supported by careful demonstration of the ways that the Indian slave trade worked and some quantitative evidence revealing the actual number of individuals captured and sold for their labor.

To his substantial credit, Gallay shows how the business operated and he makes a valiant effort to estimate the number of individuals enslaved. The evidence enables him to describe how individuals and even groups became ensnared. But it is less useful as a source for quantitative measures for the entire Indian slave trade. The most important numbers appear in a single table (on p. 299). Here Gallay carefully separates the number of slaves from various places or indigenous nations and estimates that from 1670 to 1715 there were between 24,000 and 51,000 Natives enslaved in the entire "South." The region includes Florida, which lost the most individuals to slavery, through the southeast to the lower Mississippi Valley. There were significant differences between the trade in Native slaves and the African slave trade. Gallay believes that the commerce in Indian bodies and labor "was akin more to the resale of Africans from the West Indies than to the African slave trade" (p. 314). But despite the differences in terms of final destinations and the scale of the trade, Gallay recognizes that slavery in this period in the Americas meant the same for Africans and Native Americans: "removal from their homes, denial of their rights and basic humanity, subjection to lifelong servitude, and the passage of slave status from mother to child" (p. 314).

The trade in Native slaves came to an end when colonists devoted more of their efforts to purchasing Africans. By the end of the 1710s the British came to realize that the capture and sale of Indian slaves was more difficult for them than participating in the transatlantic African slave trade. The enslavement of Indians was also a problem for the Spanish and French in the region. Yet though Gallay describes these other Europeans' attitudes towards the taking of captives and the use of forced labor, in the end this is primarily a book about the British and their ability to overcome internal divisions, ignore their earlier claims that they would avoid mistreating Indians, and embrace a system of labor exploitation that sent Native men, women, and children far from their homes. Later scholars might be able to provide more accurate measures of the scale of the trade, but Gallay's work will remain crucial for anyone who wants to know how the various peoples of the South interacted in the colonial period.

Peter C. Mancall, Professor of History at the University of Southern California and the President, from 2002 to 2004, of the Forum on European Expansion and Global Interaction, is the author (with Eric Hinderaker) of At the Edge of Empire: The British Backcountry in North America, forthcoming in May 2003 from Johns Hopkins University Press.

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Tom
01-13-2006, 05:17 PM
It's very interesting that there were Indian people who knew English that far back, but also in the link provided is an article on English and Dutch settlements as far abck as the early 1600's , so perhaps there was exchanges taking place.
The Sara town woman was dated about 1620 and she had trade beads with her, a great many of them and some one would have to had traded for them. So Iam sure that the earliest settlements were a great buzz of activety, with great exchanges..

Tom
01-16-2006, 01:09 PM
Here is another great article on the history of slavery...
http://innercity.org/holt/slavechron.html

lynellarainhawk
01-16-2006, 05:33 PM
Tom,

I just wanted to thank you. I scanned through this and it is utterly fascinating. But I'll have to come back to it later. This is a great link!

Oh yeah, your first link is a sudden de-ja-vu thing! My sister Donna and I were talking on Saturday about my dad having been English and Welsh, among the mix. We have them coming into Virginia in the 1600's sometime. I'll have to dig out dad's lineage to see when they came here, because I don't recall exactly. Or, I could be lazy and just call Kerry!:)

It is staggering just how one thing happens and it changes so many other things for other people for the rest of eternity. Lynella.

Brenda Ferrell Sampsel
01-19-2006, 07:09 AM
These links are all great references on the slavery issue. Thanks for sharing!
Brenda

lynellarainhawk
01-19-2006, 08:47 PM
Tom,

Kerry said that Captain Thomas Ashby, (English/Welsh or Welch) begins to appear in Virginia Records between 1680 and 1700.

I think a lot of the floral patterns we see in needlework from after that time frame really show this influence. Don't you?

Tom
01-20-2006, 03:04 PM
Yes I think that there may have been some exchanges between groups and and using patterns may have been diffused using trade cloth, maybe but I can't say for sure.
There is a language in decorative arts that is mnuemonic based that is a pattern represented an image or concept not fulley incorporated into the the obvious given material, otherwise encoded.