Carter

[Rose]

Hi, Bill Childs, how are you doing? Will you be at the Siouan Camp again this month?
I would like to ask if you could find something about my grandma's grandmother who was Elisabeth A.Carter born 1830 and died 10/28/1900 . You should still have access to my family tree at www.myfamily.com. To make sure i sent you another email invite. Let me know if it works.
Thank you much and viele liebe Gruesse an Deine Frau,
Rose

[Bill Childs]

Hi Rose,
Yes, I'll be there.

I lost the password for your site(!).
Where was Elisabeth A. Carter born in 1830?
Bill

[Rose]

Sorry, Bill, I don't have that information.
Hope you can access my family tree now. Have a nice week-end,
Rose

[Bill Childs]

Rose,
From "Virginia Marriages, 1740-1850"
William S. Taylor marr'd Elizabeth A. Carter on 7 Dec 1847 in Nelson Co.

The 1860 Nelson Co., Va census lists both William S. and Elizabeth as born in Nelson Co.

Children listed for them on the 1850 thru 1880 Nelson Co., Va census are:

Margaret E., b.abt. 1848.
Louisa F., b.abt. Sept 1850.
Virginia C., b.abt. 1855.
William B., b.abt. 1857.
Robert A., b.abt. May 1860.
Thomas., b.abt. 1861.
Nancy, b.abt. 1863.
Mary Susan, b.abt. 1868

You'll want better proofs for their parents, but here is who I think they are, and why....

William S. Taylor's parents are "likely"
Thomas Taylor, b.abt. 1785 Va., and
Belinda Boglegum (?), b.abt. 1793 Va.,
who marr'd in Nelson Co., Va on 12 August, 1818.
Thomas Taylor is the only Taylor household on the 1840 census who has a son in the age range of William S.
Belinda is the only person with this surname that appears on any index, anywhere. It is possible that this is a misspelling of her last name. I've seen a variant spelling of it somewhere but I can't remember what it was.
In 1860 census, Thos. Taylor lived 2 doors away from William S. and Elizabeth A. Taylor.

Elizabeth A. Carter's parents are "likely"
Thomas Carter, b.abt. 1793 Va., and
P. (Polly?) G. Scruggs, b.abt. 1790 to 1799.
who married in Nelson Co., Va on 14 Dec 1816.
It appears she died and Thomas marr'd on 16 Apr 1838
Eliza A. Moore, b.abt. 1821, Va.
Thomas Carter is the only Carter household on the 1840 census who has a dau in Elizabeth's approximate age range. In this case, it's 2 yrs younger, which is an acceptable range of error for census records.
A Nancy Moore, age 56, was living with Thomas & Eliza A. Carter on the 1850 Nelson census, possibly Eliza Moore Carter's mother.

Shown living with William S. and Elizabeth Taylor on the 1850 census is Malinda F. Carter, age 15. It's possible she's Elizabeth's sister but I think it's more likely that she's a cousin.

Shown living with William S. and Elizabeth Taylor on the 1860 census is Rebeccah SEAY, age 60. Coincidently, a Shadrack Carter Jr. marr'd a Nancy D. SEAY on 20 Sept 1826 in Nelson Co.
On that 1860 census, living 4 doors away from William and Elizabeth Taylor, is a Polly Carter, age 52, b. Nelson Co., who has a Mary A. Carter, 25, Mu, in her household.
..........
Bill

[Rose]

WOW, bill, this is amazing. I will have to take a closer look at this tomorrow. Just came home from the Occaneechee pow wow and need to get some rest.
But your research always amazes me!! Thank you so much. I will forward this to my cousin and see what she can come up with.
Kind regards,
Rose

At the pow wow someone was mentioning that you might come to the campout again. that would be great. But what a loooong trip.

[Bill Childs]

Yes, I plan on camping most of the week there.

[Dreaminghawk]

Rose....... it is always a delight to see you...... it was also good to see Linda back in Hillsborough ;-)
And, Rose, your picture turned out beautifully...... standing near the dancers. Becky can send you a copy if you would like.
I'm almost afraid to tell Vance how much time I spent talking to Richard Haithcock...... but Linda and I did express to him how much his presence would be welcomed at the campout. He has promised to try to make it on the 25th. Becky and I will also make every effort to be there for the 25th.
Bill...... we think you will be pleased with the research tools we are bringing to you ;-)
btw....... Richard's new book is quite interesting.

[Rose]

Thank you, Dreaminghawk, and yes, I would love to have a copy of the picture :) from Becky, please. I, too, talked quite a while with Mr.Haithcock. His work is just incredible. Do you know how much time and effort went into all this research and compilation? It would be an honor to have him at the campout, wouldn't it? Looking forward to see you and Becky and everybody else in two weeks,
Rose

[Dreaminghawk]

Rose says>>>> Do you know how much time and effort went into all this research and compilation? >>>

Just the info he has compiled in Piedmont Catawba will take me several years to absorb.
I'll take my campout comments over to Linda's Annual 2005 thread..... (Becky will email you about the pic ;-)

[countryg]

Hi Rose,

I have been searching for my Joseph Carter b about 1799 for several years now. Just last week I made a connection to the Carter's in Nelson Co. One of my Stinnett's married Gretrude Carter dau of Joshua and Delia McCraw Carter. Joshua's parents were Thomas S & Eliza Ann Moore Carter. Thomas's father was
Shadrack Carter.

Since the Stinnett who married Gretrude Carter is from the same line where Richard Dewey Stinnett married Mary Jane Carter who was the daughter of Jospeh and Belsora Elizabeth Lavender Carter, I believe I finally know where my Joseph came from. The problem is no one has him listed. I am wondering if he was born out of wedlock. My Indian heritage comes from this line.

I see you are looking for Elizabeth Carter. Was she Indian? I have been trying to find any Indian Carter's from Amherst county.
That is where Joseph Carter married Belosra Lavender. He could have been from Amherst that became Nelson County.

Another connection is Nancy Ann Carter dau of Shadrack, who married twice. First to Lewis Laine and second to Winston S Blair.
Winston's parents were Allen and Mary Ann Staples Blair. Allen's daughter Elizabeth Blair married first James Stratton and second
Allen Lavender. Allen Blair and Mary Ann Staples are my fifth Ggrandparents. Allen Lavender and Elizabeth Blair are my fourth Ggrandparents.

My Great Grandmother Emma Elizabeth Stinnett was the daughter of Richard Dewey Stinnett and Mary Jane Carter.
Mary Jane was the daughter of Joseph Carter and Belsora Lavender.

Joseph and Belsora were in the 1840 Rockbridge Co. census. In 1850 & 1860 they were in Botetourt County. Joseph died after 1860. He was fifteen to twenty years older than Belsora. He was thirty three when they married. I can not find him before the marriage in 1833. He was not listed on any deed, census or will.
That is one reson I think he was born out of wedlock. I believe his mother was Indian.

There is a Jospeh W Carter born about 1810 son of John and Lucretta Carter. The files show him marrying a woman named Martha wand they had at least five children, so he is not mine.

If you want to contact me I can share what I have in the Carter's. Joseph and Belsora only had one son who they named William Henry Carter. I don't know who he was named after.

Jackie
countryg@aol.com

[saj]

I find this so interesting..the history.
Resided in Kempston, England, but died in Lancaster Co., Virginia. Apparently Captain Thomas Carter was the first of the family to migrate to Virginia from England..Thomas was one who made unfortunate alliances with Charles I. When that Monarch lost his Kingdom by decapitation, Thomas fled to Virginia. He came to the colony of Nansemond, Virginia about 1650 and established Barford Plantation in Lancaster Co. on Rappahannock River, Va. His first wife and small children died. He was married in Lancaster Co. to Katherine Dale, daughter of Major Edward Dale, who likewise escaped to Virginia when Cromwell grasped the reins of Government. Here he lived the remainder of his life, filling many offices of honor & trust. He served in the House of Burgesses, was Captain of Melitia, Clerk of the County Court.He held some position almost continuously while Gov. Spottswood was exutive. His Seven sons were the first branches of this Carter family tree in America.
Occupation: Planter, Soldier, Merchant, Thomas Carter Sr. 10-26-1730, born England

[saj]

Continued:
Thomas was the 2nd son of Capt. Thomas Carter.He was
born at Barford Plantation. He was a merchant,Planter,
and manager of the mercantile goods consigned to
Robert "King" Carter. Thomas was given his father's
commision in the County Melitia.He also Inhereted
Barford Plantation. He died at Barford in
1733. His wife, Arabella, lived several years after him
and cared for 2 orphaned Grandsons. He had 8 sons
who left descendants in several Virginia Counties.
I copied and pasted this. Thomas Sr. married Katherine dale and Jr. married Arabella Williamson. One son was Joseph, married Catherine Stevens and

[saj]

a daughter of Joseph, Mary Elizabeth Carter married James Conway Davis..son Thomas...his daughter Elizabeth married Beverley Allen..born March 10, 1783 in Henrico co Va. going to post a separate post on this one. Sue J

[countryg]

Hi Sue,

Thank you so much for your reply. Do you know if Shadrack Carter descended from Thomas Carter? I tried finding Shadracks parents but didn't have any luck.

My Carter line in Nelson County Virginia is the same one Rose's Elizabeth comes from. I take it she believes her Elizabeth was also Indian. I know there were some Taylor Indians in Virginia. I have just started checking to see if Elizabeth Carter's William Taylor could have been Indian. It is so hard trying to find Indian heritage. I know for a fact my Ggrandmother Emma was Indian.

My father said he thought she was from what he called one of the warring tribes. My grandparents were gone by the time I got into genealogy so I can't get any of info that help determine what tribe they were from. I didn't know anout the Indian heritage until a few years back. My father left us when I was six. I only saw those grandparents a couple of times. So much is lost now.
I have always loved anything to do with American Indians. I have so many books and a buffalo skull and other items from Indians. I should have guessed that maybe I was conected somehow.

My father died in 2002 in Florida. I talked to him about our heritage and he said we were French and Indian. He said Ggma Emma had black hair that touched the floor. They use to watch her brush it. Since it was so long she had to put it up in three buns instead of braids. I have a picture of her in later life and her hair was gray and in braids around her head. I wish I could find one of her when she was young. I wish I could have mer her. Since I didn't grow with my father I don't have any stories or memories about my Stinnetts. One of my fathers uncles and his children had the Indian features but he was the only one that I know of. We have brown hair and eyes but that is it.

When we were growing up we use to ride stick horses and pretend to be cowboys and Indians. I was always the Indian.
We grew up in Gladstone Virginia in Nelson County. We didn't even have a stop light. We moved there because my father got a job with the C & O RailRoad. When he left he went to Florida where his parents moved to.

Anyway I am hoping to one day know what tribe and where the Indian heritage comes from. My father said some of the Stinnett men went to Texas and brought home Indian brides. So far I have not been able to prove it. I know it is not important what tribe because I know in my heart I am Indian and so very proud to have Indian blood, no matter how small.

Jackie
Spirit Seeker

[Rose]

"We grew up in Gladstone Virginia in Nelson County."

Jackie, that's where my grandma Taylor and my Dad are from. That's where I still have family.
Please do not give up searching. I will be gone for a couple of days but when I come back I will get back in touch with you.
I believe we will find out more. We have just started to scratch the surface.
Blessings,
Rose

[countryg]

Rose,

I look forward to hearing from you when you get back. It will be nice to talk to someone who knows where Gladstone is. I live in Pa now.

I hope to be able to connect our Carter's.

Jackie
countryg@aol.com

[saj]

Jackie and Rose,
Here is something from rootsweb archives..
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/moore-l/moore-l.archive.old/0102.html
saj
Oh, found this too which either of you may have seen. Can't always take the info as "fact", unless you have researched it all yourself but then again it could be on target too. Sometimes you can get back further on a line with siblings than your own direct to find parents. Saj
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=8794&id=I5750

[countryg]

Hi Sue,

Thanks for the information. I had some of the info but the one you sent had more info. I didn't have the Moore one. I need to try and verify it now.

Thanks Again.

Jackie
Spirit Seeker