frustration

[clen99]

Just expressing a little frustration with running into so many dead ends. The Shifletts are such mess and they/we have THE strangest first names: America (1798), Bland, Micajah, Macarias, Fadley (whose nickname was "Simmie"), Mittie, Permillie, Dosha, Honorias, Lycinneous, Anfield, Pickett, Benjamin Franklin & George Washington, Darkey (Darcos), Fountain, Sparks, Zenophen, Lively, etc. Other last names of Mimicks, Roach, Ham, Cave, Going. One person's name was Early Snow.

And these people are supposed to be straight, white Colonial farming stock? I just don't buy it.

Just had to share!! LOL

[Patty]

I thoroughly enjoyed reading your "colonial, white" names! http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/smile.gif lol

I have an ancestress named Ara Zilpha or Arsyelpha. I've seen it spelled both ways.

Her maiden name was Cowan. I should probably do some more research on her..........thanks for the nudge! http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/smile.gif

PS I have a lot of "George Washington's" too. I've read that a lot of Indian folks named their kids after famous white people like that to make them seem more white.

[This message has been edited by Patty (edited 09-20-2002).]

[clen99]

Patty--I've heard the same thing about Indians naming their kids patriotic names to help ensure the impression that they were "American" all the way.

[CoheeLady]

Hello Lee!
Hope you are doing fine. I read the list of names above & I noticed you have ancestor with the first name of Lively. Well one of my ancestor's, a Cash married a Lively, in Va., just thought you would like to know this. We have found a few people with the first name of Cash,in doing research. I know that we always look at the middle & last name, but sometimes there is a clue in the first names also. Some people named their children after a close friend or a person they admired.

Regarding the Woods family, I spoke to my Mother & this is the information she gave me; my great grandmother's sister MARY PEARL TURNER married JERRY WOODS. JERRY died in a train accident. We also have the surname of Wood (without the s) in our family. Mary Pearl Turner Woods & Jerry Woods were from Nelson county, Virginia.

Lee, thanks for all the nice emails you have sent to me, talk to you soon. http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/smile.gif
Sincerely,
CoheeLady

[Linda]

Clen, are those Shifletts listed as white?

[clen99]

Linda--All of the Shiflets on the Shiflet family website, which includes 1850 and 1920 census data are believed to be white, even the Susan Shiflet family that was white in every other census but the 1920. She is listed in 1920 as a widowed mulatto farmer and all her children are mulatto---in this one census.

However, there is a pic I will be sending soon of cousin Simmie and if he's not Indian I'm a duck. Also, when my aunt was in Charlottesville doing census research years ago she has in her notes "[?] Shiplett, Blck, M, 76......Shiplett, Rositer, Blck, F, 61.....moved..." NOTE: the question mark is my aunt's.

When I ran this by the head family researcher she said that she did not recognize this Black Isaac Shiplett, that it was not familar to her. (And implied, to me, that my aunt must have been mistaken.) When I talked to my aunt about it years ago, she said the reason she marked it down was because she noted Black Shifletts, thought it was interesting and wanted to look into it further but didn't have the resources to do so.

So, until I get to Virginia myself or actually meet a Shiflett online who I know is Black/Mulatto/Indian and the family has identified as such, the family is in total denial that there are Blacks/Mulattos/ Indians with the Shiflet name-- in any spelling.

And, of course, there is always Plecker. The family researcher said to me, basically, that they didn't know why Plecker had put Shiflets on that bulletin, that he must has used that one census only, that [some of] the Shifletts has a reputation for being somewhat questionable of character, but while the bulletin is posted to the website it, too, is ignored as some kind of joke/fluke/anomaly.

So, the "official" *smirk* answer to your question is no, none of the names I listed are Black or Mulatto that I know.

[clen99]

http://www.saponitown.com/images/bland.jpg

This is cousin Simmie Shiflett.

[This message has been edited by clen99 (edited 09-21-2002).]

[clen99]

Just putting a prompt for anyone who might have information regarding Shiflets, Woods, Powells, Goins, Standups in Albemarle and Greene Counties, Virginia.

BTW, Cohee, there are Pattersons as well in this clan which includes Patsy Cline who was born a Patterson.

[Patty]

Patsy Cline!! There's that musical thing going again!! http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/smile.gif I can't remember which thread, but someone said there seems to be a lot of musical ability with Saponi or Melungeons.

Both my Mom & Dad's families all play guitar or fiddle and when we used to have reunions there was always music and singing....... http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/frown.gif so sad we don't do that anymore.

[clen99]

I also play. Anymore I just play Native American flute, but I grew up playing trumpet and playing piano. My younger brother also played sax and took piano.